Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 447892] Re: [i855gm] Freeze shortly after X startup on Intel i855
I get the feeling we're expected to buy new hardware. On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 10:56 +, Novastorm wrote: > Is some sort of fix for this ever going to make it into Lucid? Or are we > expected to just pick and choose our own solutions? > -- [i855gm] Freeze shortly after X startup on Intel i855 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/447892 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xf86-video-intel. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 370292] Re: [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM
> And since you have tested your Panasonic under Karmic, could you install > the old driver too? What is your advice? Karmic is available soon. I was > planning to install it on the notebook. Don't touch Karmic until it's released. It's the same story there, you'll need to install the 2.4 drivers. I've been using linux for close to 10 years now and even I tend to stay away from development versions. For you, I'd suggest you wait for the actual release as karmic is currently in development/testing and things can and will go wrong. And I'm not just talking about your graphics driver. I would also suggest staying away from custom kernels if you're a newcomer to linux, as it's not very user friendly. Don't get me wrong, it's a lot better than what it used to be, but I'd suggest trying the other options first and only go to the custom kernel route if you really have to. Mike -- [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xf86-video-intel. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 370292] Re: [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 07:25 +, nomnex wrote: > Panasonic Driver > > Hi, thank you very much for your answer. It brings much clarity. I was > slow to answer because I did some research in the meantime. > Nevertheless, it is bit technical for my understanding. May I ask your > advice to help me go along the process. Disclaimer: English is my second > language. I master it very imperfectly. Thank you to take it in > consideration. > > --- > > First: Your bug report "Upstream" - what does mean Upstream in the > Ubuntu terminology (vs. the bug report in Launchpad)? > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22771 > > Eric Anholt says: [...] The batchbuffer dump doesn't conclusively point > to the bug I just fixed [...] Please re-open if the bug persists [...] > > I don't see any link to a patch or other indication and as stated in > your message - sadly, there is little to expect on this side. Exactly what I was referring to when I said upstream. To reopen the bug I had to sign up and I wasn't prepared to do this with a site with an invalid certificate (I am doing a phd in information security, I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to these things :) so I just gave up and went back to 2.4. It seems that no one (ubuntu or X) is interested in something that is a total show-stopper, at least for some subsection of the community. I wonder how many new users haven't even bothered to raise a bug report, bagged linux for being so unstable and went back to windows. And some people wonder why linux isn't ready for mainstream adoption. > --- > > I can use the tutorial "Reverting the Jaunty Xorg intel driver to > 2.4" (as you did), however before doing so, you would mind following the > links below and tell me if any of them could be relevant to our Intel > driver problem? > > A. Title: ATI unsupported cards in jaunty: full effects: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1164013 > > B. How To Fix Freezes in Ubuntu on hp 540 - simlar complain and a work > around > http://ubuntu.igameilive.com/2009/05/how-to-fix-freezes-in-ubuntu-on-hp-540.html > > Maybe a topic of interest (C and D are related) > > C. HOWTO: Jaunty Intel Graphics Performance Guide > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 > > Although the disclamer looks like a stopper - I use an external > boardband wirless card btw. > "*Disclaimer: Using a third-party kernel means that you will no longer > have access to "restricted" drivers such as FGLRX, NVIDIA, some Broadcom > wireless chipsets, certain webcams and a handful new sound cards that > require restricted firmware to function. If you believe that you have > restricted hardware on your machine, you should continue using the > official Jaunty kernel - in other words, stick to the Safe > configuration." > > D. X Updates on Launchpad (see title and link E below): > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates > > --- I really have given up, feel free to try these things though and please report back if you find something that works. I have too many things to do than to be fumbling around in the dark trying to find what's breaking ubuntu. > Thanks you again for your time and patience. No worries. :) > Marc > Tel +81 90 2106 17 20 > Tel. marc-...@docomo.ne.jp > > PS: The Celeron cpu/ram (512 max) and display of the CF-W2 model are not > suitable for gaming. However I do watch Divx movies in my spare time. If > I go above a size of 340x240, the movie turns dark and freeze. This is > not normal. Do you think using old driver might solve the problem? And > correct if I am wrong, but movies are 2D? In your message you talk about > 3D, but 3D is only about modern computer games - like brutal chess > http://sourceforge.net/projects/brutalchess/ Correct. The desktop visual effects are using 3D though, so best turn these off using the method I said in my previous email. Good luck! :) Mike -- [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xf86-video-intel. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 370292] Re: [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM
Hi Nomnex, I'm no ubuntu bugsmith, so I don't know if you should be asking for advice or not here, but I'm happy to give it. :) If you follow that link you talk about, it will give you instructions on how to revert to the older version of the display driver. This older version is still fine and I haven't yet found any issues. It is, however, not very fast at 3D. If you're into gaming, I'd suggest having/keeping a dual boot with windows as you won't get very good performance out of the 855 under linux (well, under anything really, but windows will be better). I also suggest you turn off visual effects (system -> preferences -> appearance -> visual effects -> none) but you can try without and see if it's fast enough for you. It seems that this bug has been submitted upstream and for some reason, subsequently closed, even though the bug has not been fixed. It's the unfortunate state of affairs that some driver/software developers don't want to hear about bugs in their code and seem to react with derision towards anyone reporting. Possibly this is the case here, I don't know. I can understand their frustration though, as it seems that too many newcomers to linux don't understand how FOSS works and treat the developers as if they *should* or *have to* help them. It can be frustrating to both parties, however everyone needs to remember that the developers are putting in their own time and effort for free and have no obligation to do *anything* for *anyone*. I have given up hope on this bug being fixed and will continue to use the 2.4 drivers until it's time to upgrade my laptop. Hopefully these older drivers remain compatible with future X changes until this time. If you want to take this bug further, I'm sure someone else subscribed to this bug report will be able to direct you in the right direction. Just remember the point above; in this community, the developers are considered gods and justifiably so. For a developer to fix this bug is to do you a favour so try to avoid getting angry or frustrated if they decline. I hope this helps. :) Mike On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 04:02 +, nomnex wrote: > @Mike Rose and everybody on the thread. > > Hi, glad I found this thread. I am fairly new to Ubuntu and certainly > less experienced than any of you. I use Jaunty on a Panasonic Let's note > model CF-W2 I bought in Japan a few years ago (Intel chipset must be > very close to CF-R3). > > I experience exactly the same symptoms: Random freezes (the machine is a > little sluggish a few minutes before). The mouse can move on screen. The > only way to recover is to operate a cold-boot. > > It is very frustrating since I do love using Linux Ubuntu (vs. M$). Do > you mind if I ask for help on the thread? Do I have to follow a link: > Reverting the Jaunty Xorg intel driver to 2.4 - and if I do will I > experienced any graphic change - or do I have to install Karmic (but > reading the thread freezes still occur). > > Sorry, I am not helpful to the thread, I only ask for advice/help. > -- [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xf86-video-intel. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 370292] Re: [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM
Incorrect. Not fixed as of 2:2.8.0-0ubuntu1 In addition, I can't even seem to install the older 2.4 version over the top anymore, so now I'm stuck with this buggy driver. Very frustrating when I'm trying to work. Bryce, is it at all possible to put the old intel driver in the official ubuntu repos? Perhaps call it xserver-xorg-video-intel-old or something. This is getting ridiculous. This driver should never have been released as stable without testing on all hardware it supposedly supports, and if it was released as unstable, it should have never found it's way into ubuntu without an alternative. -- [i855] X freezing on intel 855GM https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is the registrant for xf86-video-intel. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 370292] Re: [i855] Jaunty - X freezing on intel 855GM - MTRR issue (UXA/EXA)
Well I got it to happen again, everything updated/upgraded as of about 15 minutes ago. Switched back over to xserver-xorg-video-intel (from xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4) rebooted, followed the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze#How%20to%20Get%20a%20Batchbuffer%20Dump%20(-intel%20only) Enjoy your batchbuffer dump driver-gods :) Note that my framebuffer is larger than default because I have two monitors (internal LCD + external CRT), though this issue occurs on LCD only too. Both running at 1024x768 Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help ** Attachment added: "dri_debug.tgz" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28875250/dri_debug.tgz -- [i855] Jaunty - X freezing on intel 855GM - MTRR issue (UXA/EXA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xserver-xorg-video-intel in ubuntu. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 370292] Re: [i855] Jaunty - X freezing on intel 855GM - MTRR issue (UXA/EXA)
Have been running Karmic alpha 2 for approx 5 hours now. Good news is that the MTRR errors are gone. Bad news is the freezes are still happening. Two lockups. One occurred when I had firefox open, lots of tabs open, 'Normal' visual effects enabled. REISUB'ed. Decided to try turning off visual effects, but got another lockup, this time in terminal looking through kernel logs from the last lockup looking for clues :) I did notice that for approx a minute before the lockup, everything in the terminal went real slow. Like, scrolling via mouse wheel would take 2 seconds before it would start scrolling. Very laggy. It's quite probable that this has happened with past freezes without me noticing however, as I've found some websites slow my computer down to a crawl anyway (probably due to flash). Nothing in the logs showing anything. For what it's worth, I also got the lockup on the livecd too and I noticed before it happened I had a slight font corruption (every instance of 'e' had a line through it). Funnily enough, I also noticed this in terminal before it locked up (this time 'r' was missing a bit) so I don't know if it's related or not. I've reverted to intel 2.4 drivers ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 ) and they've been stable as a rock, full compositing (albeit slowish, it's only intel 815 :) Let me know if there's any diagnostic tools I can run to give some more information. Maybe a version of the intel drivers with verbose debugging output or something. I don't mind it running a little slow while I'm testing, I just want this bug sorted. :) Mike Bryce Harrington wrote: > suckertoo, no problem, hopefully Mike Rose can test. I am fairly > certain this bug is gone in Karmic, so if no one is able to test, I'm > confident we can close it, but I'll give a month for people to try. > > Good luck in Afghanistan > > ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) >Status: Incomplete => New > > ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) >Status: New => Incomplete > > -- [i855] Jaunty - X freezing on intel 855GM - MTRR issue (UXA/EXA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xserver-xorg-video-intel in ubuntu. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-x-swat] [Bug 370292] Re: [i855] Jaunty - X freezing on intel 855GM - MTRR issue (UXA/EXA)
Sure thing Bryce, I'll get to testing when I can. I've got a thesis that needs finishing first, so it might not be for another few weeks though. I don't know if I originally commented on this bug, but I've been tracking the 955GM freeze bug too, and I've tried the intel 2.4 drivers which work a charm. UbuntuStudio gives some strange hangs, but I think this is more due to the RT kernel as standard ubuntu jaunty with intel 2.4 drivers is rock solid. I'll update the bug when I test Karmic. Thanks for all your help! :) Cheers Mike On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 04:13 +, Bryce Harrington wrote: > suckertoo, no problem, hopefully Mike Rose can test. I am fairly > certain this bug is gone in Karmic, so if no one is able to test, I'm > confident we can close it, but I'll give a month for people to try. > > Good luck in Afghanistan > > ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) >Status: Incomplete => New > > ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) >Status: New => Incomplete > -- [i855] Jaunty - X freezing on intel 855GM - MTRR issue (UXA/EXA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370292 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xserver-xorg-video-intel in ubuntu. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
