Re: Disable Automatic Plugin Updates in Maven ? + Config management question in [m2]

2005-05-19 Thread Eric Giguere
Hey guys!
How convenient... I just wanted to ask a question for Maven 2.0 
concerning this topic: configuration management.

It's not only a matter of corporate procedures. but rather a general 
configuration mangement issue. When you release a software product, if 
you want to have a reproducible build, you must save the complete 
configuration and that includes you build system. With standard IDEs or 
languages like C or C++, its pretty straight forward. You save the 
compiler's version and options you used, same thing with all external 
libraries. You may have to check in also the compiler itself or any 
other tool you require to build your system, you tag all your sources 
and you're almost done.

With Maven, its may be a little more complicated. Not only the engine 
itself is evoluting but all plugins are constantly changing to. I myself 
wrote a plugin and I know that if I checkout an old version of my 
project (lets say one from last year), I will have to modify the build 
script that was savec in CVS because there is something missing that is 
now required by new version of the plugin. In other words, what was 
building without problems a year agon with Maven 1.0 and some plugins 
won't build today.

So here is the question: Was that thought of in Maven 2.0? Will it be 
possible to "save" the configuration used to build and dig it out when 
its needed? Without going in the very specific details, I think that if 
we can tell maven to use a specific version of a plugin even if newer 
versions are available and installed, it'll fix most config. management 
issues.

A specialize maven plugin could do that save and load config, as long as 
the core engine accepts "overrides" on which plugin version to use 
instead of always picking up the latest.

thx!
Eric.
Jamie Bisotti wrote:
Even though a plug-in update should be checked, tested and harmless,
lots of corporations have a lot of processes in place regarding build
reproducability.  Doing a build with the updated v1.1 maven-foo-plugin
could cause the build to look ever so slightly different than the
build previously done with the orignial v1.0.  This could cause red
flags to go flying.  I'd think an easy flag for disabling automatic
plug-in updating is a must.
On 5/19/05, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

A couple of ways presently:
- use -o on the command line (it can be in MAVEN_OPTS), but this
disables all downloads
- ad a pluginRepository to your project (or one you inherit from) with
id = central and never
- explicitly list all plugins you use in pom.xml with their versions.
We intend to improve this in the next release:
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-379
Note that plugin updates should only be checked, and published after
sufficient testing so there should be no harm in leaving it enabled at
the moment.
Regards,
Brett
On 5/19/05, Malcolm Wong Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

How do i disable the Automatic Maven Plugin Updates in Maven2 ?
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Re: Disable Automatic Plugin Updates in Maven ? + Config management question in [m2]

2005-05-19 Thread Eric Giguere
That's excellent!
You're right, I didn't got the answer, there seems to be a small problem 
with the list today. Got a failed delivery message.

Great, impressive work Brett!
Eric.

Brett Porter wrote:
On 5/20/05, Eric Giguere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Hey guys!
So here is the question: Was that thought of in Maven 2.0? Will it be
possible to "save" the configuration used to build and dig it out when its
needed? 
   

Yes (I think this was in my response to Jamie, but the mail has been
slow arriving, so not sure if you got it). You can put the plugin
versions in your POM to ensure it always behaves the same. The release
plugin will help you populate them at the point you cut a release.
- Brett
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Re: Disable Automatic Plugin Updates in Maven ? + Config management question in [m2]

2005-05-19 Thread Brett Porter
On 5/20/05, Eric Giguere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Hey guys!
>  
>  So here is the question: Was that thought of in Maven 2.0? Will it be
> possible to "save" the configuration used to build and dig it out when its
> needed? 

Yes (I think this was in my response to Jamie, but the mail has been
slow arriving, so not sure if you got it). You can put the plugin
versions in your POM to ensure it always behaves the same. The release
plugin will help you populate them at the point you cut a release.

- Brett

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