Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Josh Juneau]

A visual web designer would be nice for newcomers.  I used it way back when
for a project or two and it was nice.  However, I am not very keen on
having the IDE write front-end code for me...so I didn't use it for too
much.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:56 AM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Miroslav Nachev <
> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Besides, I've been involved in other Open Source Projects and I know,
>> that there is one core team, that receives a payment for the difference
>> from the other fans.
>>
>
>
> No, there is no core team and there is no one receiving payment from
> anyone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Miro.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:23 AM, John McDonnell <
>> mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Miroslav,
>>>
>>> While I wouldn't be a user of this, I think its great to see someone so
>>> passionate about new features in NetBeans.
>>>
>>> But I think the pushback your seeing is that while its great to see new
>>> feature requests, the operating model of NetBeans has changed with the move
>>> to Apache.  In the past, you might have been able to put forward a new
>>> feature request, and in a future release, it might have arrived.  This
>>> isn't how NetBeans works moving forward.  We're now a community-driven
>>> project, if you have a feature request then please do add it to JIRA[1],
>>> and comment on the mailing lists about it, encourage others to vote for
>>> it.
>>>
>>> But in the end, it's going to need a "champion", someone that can take
>>> the time to look to implement the feature, or indeed someone to organise a
>>> few people to work on it if its a larger feature and others show an
>>> interest.  Without this "champion" it's hard to see any feature request get
>>> implemented if no one else sees's its benefit.
>>>
>>> Probably one of the best things you could do is to create a JIRA, and
>>> then maybe start a confluence page under[2], documenting what the actual
>>> requirement is.  Break down the areas of the IDE that might be affected,
>>> what might need to change, what might need to be added etc...  Maybe then
>>> as people see how much effort is involved,  it might help others get
>>> involved.  Maybe you might then see that its enough for one people and
>>> implement it into the IDE, or maybe you might see there's a lot of work to
>>> be done and it might not be worth it in the end - I just don't know.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues
>>> [2]:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Feature+Request+Outlines
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 14:52, Miroslav Nachev <
>>> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Having in mind, that the heaviest work has already been done with
 WebEngine (WebView), HTMLEditor and the dynamic adding of components,
 JavaScript, CSS, Web functionality and communication between Java Objects
 and Web Objects, the rest is not that complicated.
 Almost every day we use WebEngine on JavaFX 10 and I can say, it
 behaves like a very stable browser on all the sites I've visited. I would
 say it does not give way to Chrome, Edge, etc.


 On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Kai Uwe Pel 
 wrote:

> +++ 1
>
> On 8/13/2018 3:27 PM, Bayless wrote:
>
> Good answer Geertjan!
>
> Bayless
>
> On 08/13/2018 07:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
> I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a
>> Visual Web Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Miro.
>>
>>
>
>
>

>>
> --
Josh Juneau
juneau...@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Geertjan Wielenga]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Miroslav Nachev <
mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Besides, I've been involved in other Open Source Projects and I know, that
> there is one core team, that receives a payment for the difference from the
> other fans.
>


No, there is no core team and there is no one receiving payment from
anyone.

Thanks,

Gj



>
>
> Regards,
> Miro.
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:23 AM, John McDonnell  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Miroslav,
>>
>> While I wouldn't be a user of this, I think its great to see someone so
>> passionate about new features in NetBeans.
>>
>> But I think the pushback your seeing is that while its great to see new
>> feature requests, the operating model of NetBeans has changed with the move
>> to Apache.  In the past, you might have been able to put forward a new
>> feature request, and in a future release, it might have arrived.  This
>> isn't how NetBeans works moving forward.  We're now a community-driven
>> project, if you have a feature request then please do add it to JIRA[1],
>> and comment on the mailing lists about it, encourage others to vote for
>> it.
>>
>> But in the end, it's going to need a "champion", someone that can take
>> the time to look to implement the feature, or indeed someone to organise a
>> few people to work on it if its a larger feature and others show an
>> interest.  Without this "champion" it's hard to see any feature request get
>> implemented if no one else sees's its benefit.
>>
>> Probably one of the best things you could do is to create a JIRA, and
>> then maybe start a confluence page under[2], documenting what the actual
>> requirement is.  Break down the areas of the IDE that might be affected,
>> what might need to change, what might need to be added etc...  Maybe then
>> as people see how much effort is involved,  it might help others get
>> involved.  Maybe you might then see that its enough for one people and
>> implement it into the IDE, or maybe you might see there's a lot of work to
>> be done and it might not be worth it in the end - I just don't know.
>>
>>
>> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues
>> [2]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Fe
>> ature+Request+Outlines
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 14:52, Miroslav Nachev <
>> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Having in mind, that the heaviest work has already been done with
>>> WebEngine (WebView), HTMLEditor and the dynamic adding of components,
>>> JavaScript, CSS, Web functionality and communication between Java Objects
>>> and Web Objects, the rest is not that complicated.
>>> Almost every day we use WebEngine on JavaFX 10 and I can say, it behaves
>>> like a very stable browser on all the sites I've visited. I would say it
>>> does not give way to Chrome, Edge, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Kai Uwe Pel  wrote:
>>>
 +++ 1

 On 8/13/2018 3:27 PM, Bayless wrote:

 Good answer Geertjan!

 Bayless

 On 08/13/2018 07:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

 I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.

 Gj

 On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
 mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a Visual
> Web Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?
>
>
> Regards,
> Miro.
>
>



>>>
>

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Miroslav Nachev]

Hi John,

Thank you very much for the reply. I started using Java 20 years ago in
1998. A bit later, I liked NetBeans when it was still owned by a Czech
firm, because it was very intuitive and looks like the products of a
Borland company (Pascal and Delphi).

I like what you offer and I would do it, but before that I want to say the
following:

   - This idea is acceptable in case JavaFX (OpenJFX) replaces Swing in the
   NetBeans GUI.
   - Currently writing NetBeans Modules (NBM) is a complex task and I am
   not familiar with it. I hope this will be simplified, when JDK 11 appears
   and in the future version 12, because JVM will be separated from the other
   products/libs by OSGi, Java, etc. Modularity and plugins will be largely
   unified (there are already many Intelligent Plugin Architectures).

When the things above happen, if they happen, I can begin to realize this
idea. Besides, I've been involved in other Open Source Projects and I know,
that there is one core team, that receives a payment for the difference
from the other fans.


Regards,
Miro.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:23 AM, John McDonnell 
wrote:

> Hi Miroslav,
>
> While I wouldn't be a user of this, I think its great to see someone so
> passionate about new features in NetBeans.
>
> But I think the pushback your seeing is that while its great to see new
> feature requests, the operating model of NetBeans has changed with the move
> to Apache.  In the past, you might have been able to put forward a new
> feature request, and in a future release, it might have arrived.  This
> isn't how NetBeans works moving forward.  We're now a community-driven
> project, if you have a feature request then please do add it to JIRA[1],
> and comment on the mailing lists about it, encourage others to vote for
> it.
>
> But in the end, it's going to need a "champion", someone that can take the
> time to look to implement the feature, or indeed someone to organise a few
> people to work on it if its a larger feature and others show an interest.
> Without this "champion" it's hard to see any feature request get
> implemented if no one else sees's its benefit.
>
> Probably one of the best things you could do is to create a JIRA, and then
> maybe start a confluence page under[2], documenting what the actual
> requirement is.  Break down the areas of the IDE that might be affected,
> what might need to change, what might need to be added etc...  Maybe then
> as people see how much effort is involved,  it might help others get
> involved.  Maybe you might then see that its enough for one people and
> implement it into the IDE, or maybe you might see there's a lot of work to
> be done and it might not be worth it in the end - I just don't know.
>
>
> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues
> [2]: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Feature+Request+Outlines
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 14:52, Miroslav Nachev <
> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Having in mind, that the heaviest work has already been done with
>> WebEngine (WebView), HTMLEditor and the dynamic adding of components,
>> JavaScript, CSS, Web functionality and communication between Java Objects
>> and Web Objects, the rest is not that complicated.
>> Almost every day we use WebEngine on JavaFX 10 and I can say, it behaves
>> like a very stable browser on all the sites I've visited. I would say it
>> does not give way to Chrome, Edge, etc.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Kai Uwe Pel  wrote:
>>
>>> +++ 1
>>>
>>> On 8/13/2018 3:27 PM, Bayless wrote:
>>>
>>> Good answer Geertjan!
>>>
>>> Bayless
>>>
>>> On 08/13/2018 07:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>> I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
>>> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a Visual
 Web Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?


 Regards,
 Miro.


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[John McDonnell]

Hi Miroslav,

While I wouldn't be a user of this, I think its great to see someone so
passionate about new features in NetBeans.

But I think the pushback your seeing is that while its great to see new
feature requests, the operating model of NetBeans has changed with the move
to Apache.  In the past, you might have been able to put forward a new
feature request, and in a future release, it might have arrived.  This
isn't how NetBeans works moving forward.  We're now a community-driven
project, if you have a feature request then please do add it to JIRA[1],
and comment on the mailing lists about it, encourage others to vote for
it.

But in the end, it's going to need a "champion", someone that can take the
time to look to implement the feature, or indeed someone to organise a few
people to work on it if its a larger feature and others show an interest.
Without this "champion" it's hard to see any feature request get
implemented if no one else sees's its benefit.

Probably one of the best things you could do is to create a JIRA, and then
maybe start a confluence page under[2], documenting what the actual
requirement is.  Break down the areas of the IDE that might be affected,
what might need to change, what might need to be added etc...  Maybe then
as people see how much effort is involved,  it might help others get
involved.  Maybe you might then see that its enough for one people and
implement it into the IDE, or maybe you might see there's a lot of work to
be done and it might not be worth it in the end - I just don't know.


[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues
[2]:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Feature+Request+Outlines

Regards

John

On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 14:52, Miroslav Nachev 
wrote:

> Having in mind, that the heaviest work has already been done with
> WebEngine (WebView), HTMLEditor and the dynamic adding of components,
> JavaScript, CSS, Web functionality and communication between Java Objects
> and Web Objects, the rest is not that complicated.
> Almost every day we use WebEngine on JavaFX 10 and I can say, it behaves
> like a very stable browser on all the sites I've visited. I would say it
> does not give way to Chrome, Edge, etc.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Kai Uwe Pel  wrote:
>
>> +++ 1
>>
>> On 8/13/2018 3:27 PM, Bayless wrote:
>>
>> Good answer Geertjan!
>>
>> Bayless
>>
>> On 08/13/2018 07:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>
>> I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
>> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a Visual
>>> Web Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Miro.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Miroslav Nachev]

 Having in mind, that the heaviest work has already been done with
WebEngine (WebView), HTMLEditor and the dynamic adding of components,
JavaScript, CSS, Web functionality and communication between Java Objects
and Web Objects, the rest is not that complicated.
Almost every day we use WebEngine on JavaFX 10 and I can say, it behaves
like a very stable browser on all the sites I've visited. I would say it
does not give way to Chrome, Edge, etc.


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Kai Uwe Pel  wrote:

> +++ 1
>
> On 8/13/2018 3:27 PM, Bayless wrote:
>
> Good answer Geertjan!
>
> Bayless
>
> On 08/13/2018 07:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
> I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
> mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a Visual
>> Web Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Miro.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Kai Uwe Pel]

+++ 1

On 8/13/2018 3:27 PM, Bayless wrote:


Good answer Geertjan!

Bayless


On 08/13/2018 07:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.

Gj

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev 
> wrote:


Hi,

In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a
Visual Web Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you
think?


Regards,
Miro.

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Bayless]

Good answer Geertjan!

Bayless


On 08/13/2018 07:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:

I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.

Gj

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev 
mailto:mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Hi,

In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a
Visual Web Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?


Regards,
Miro.

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Stephen Winnall]

Oh, they do, but the things they are relative to are already very difficult... 
:-)

> On 13 Aug 2018, at 20:11, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.
> 
> Gj
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a Visual Web 
>> Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Miro.
>> 
> 

Re: Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I think relatively easy tasks do not exist in software development.

Gj

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a Visual Web
> Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?
>
>
> Regards,
> Miro.
>
>

Adding Visual Web Designer using JavaFX

[Miroslav Nachev]

Hi,

In case, that JavaFX replace Swing for NetBeans GUI, creating a Visual Web
Designer will be a relatively easy task. What do you think?


Regards,
Miro.