Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

[Raul I. Sais]

 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: R N D Martin
Date: 12/19/2010 2:23:45 AM
To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: [users] Re: PDF Conversion
 
In article ,
hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com (Harold Fuchs) wrote:
 
> *From:* Harold Fuchs 
> *To:* users@openoffice.org
> *Date:* Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:49:18 +
>
> On 16 December 2010 10:41, Marcello Romani
>  wrote:
>
> > Il 16/12/2010 11:08, Harold Fuchs ha scritto:
> >
> >  On 16 December 2010 07:15, Marcello
> > Romani
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  PDF is not meant for editing. Period.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>
> >> So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which
> I made
> >> using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it
> to my
> >> colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about
> that ...
> >>
> >>
> > No, I'm saying PDF was not /designed/ to be edited. The fact that
> > one can
> > edit a PDF is to be taken as an unintended feature.
> >
>
>
> Why bother to write the Acrobat software if PDF is not *designed*
> to be
> edited? Under your assumption a "pseudo printer" would be all that
> was
> necessary.
>
> --
> Harold Fuchs
> London, England
> Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
>
The purpose of producing a pdf is twofold:  to generate a platform
independent
document; and to produce one that can be circulated but one that is not
subject to
editing by other hands, so that the receiver  gets a document that can be
relied on
to be in the form that the originator intended.
 
Niall Martin
 
 
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[users] Re: PDF Conversion

[R N D Martin]

In article ,
hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com (Harold Fuchs) wrote:

> *From:* Harold Fuchs 
> *To:* users@openoffice.org
> *Date:* Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:49:18 +
> 
> On 16 December 2010 10:41, Marcello Romani 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Il 16/12/2010 11:08, Harold Fuchs ha scritto:
> >
> >  On 16 December 2010 07:15, Marcello 
> > Romani
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> 
>   PDF is not meant for editing. Period.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>
> >> So you are saying that after first saving my PDF document (which 
> I made
> >> using Acrobat) it's cast in stone and I can't edit it or send it 
> to my
> >> colleague (who also has Acrobat) for review/edit. Not sure about 
> that ...
> >>
> >>
> > No, I'm saying PDF was not /designed/ to be edited. The fact that 
> > one can
> > edit a PDF is to be taken as an unintended feature.
> >
> 
> 
> Why bother to write the Acrobat software if PDF is not *designed* 
> to be
> edited? Under your assumption a "pseudo printer" would be all that 
> was
> necessary.
> 
> -- 
> Harold Fuchs
> London, England
> Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
> 
The purpose of producing a pdf is twofold:  to generate a platform independent
document; and to produce one that can be circulated but one that is not subject 
to
editing by other hands, so that the receiver  gets a document that can be 
relied on
to be in the form that the originator intended.

Niall Martin


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Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

[Uwe Fischer]

On 12/12/10 07:08, NoOp wrote:

On 12/11/2010 02:45 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote:

NoOp mentioned:


While doubling the size of the PDF, you can save as a 'hybrid' PDF. That
way you can open the PDF directly in Writer and edit.

That's definitely worth a try.

But if I open a pdf file as such from oo write it will open it in oo
draw which does not offer that format when I try to save it.


I didn't say that the hybrid feature will work with existing PDFs.
Please read what I wrote.

If I a export a PDF as a hybrid file, and then open OOo and select
File|Open|path to the hybrid PDF, the file opens in Writer.



There is some information about the hybrid PDF format in the 
OpenOffice.org Help Tips and Tricks blog:

http://blogs.sun.com/oootnt/entry/openoffice_org_exports_and_imports

Uwe
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Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

[Earl Melton]

On 12/11/2010 06:33 PM, RA Brown wrote:

On Sat Dec 11 2010 14:45:54 GMT-0800 (PST) Douglas Hinds wrote:


One more thing: My own posts are not returning (so I'm bbc-ing
myself) and I'm wondering if this can be changed via my account's
configuration.


That is a Gmail thing. For some reason they figure that if you send it
you do not need a copy. Go figure.


Yayhoo also does this. When I want to send myself something from work 
and be sure I can get it at home, I merely click on Send, then go into 
the Sent folder on the yayhoo site and move the message to the Inbox. 
Then Thunderbird will DL it at home. Only way I ever see anything I post 
to any group or list is if someone replies to it and quotes it back.


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Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Den 2010-12-12 01:33:24 skrev RA Brown :


On Sat Dec 11 2010 14:45:54 GMT-0800 (PST)  Douglas Hinds wrote:


One more thing:  My own posts are not returning (so I'm bbc-ing
myself) and I'm wondering if this can be changed via my account's
configuration.


That is a Gmail thing.  For some reason they figure that if you send it  
you do not need a copy.  Go figure.




Well, the Gmail idea is, as far as I know, that you are not supposed to  
delete anything, so everything you ever wrote or received is still  
searchable in Gmail and you can also find your written messages by  
clicking ”Sent messages”.



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Johnny Rosenberg

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[users] Re: PDF Conversion

[NoOp]

On 12/11/2010 02:45 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote:
> 
> NoOp mentioned:
> 
>> While doubling the size of the PDF, you can save as a 'hybrid' PDF. That
>> way you can open the PDF directly in Writer and edit.
> 
> That's definitely worth a try.
> 
> But if I open a pdf file as such from oo write it will open it in oo
> draw which does not offer that format when I try to save it.

I didn't say that the hybrid feature will work with existing PDFs.
Please read what I wrote.

If I a export a PDF as a hybrid file, and then open OOo and select
File|Open|path to the hybrid PDF, the file opens in Writer.


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Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

[RA Brown]

On Sat Dec 11 2010 14:45:54 GMT-0800 (PST)  Douglas Hinds wrote:


One more thing:  My own posts are not returning (so I'm bbc-ing
myself) and I'm wondering if this can be changed via my account's
configuration.


That is a Gmail thing.  For some reason they figure that if you send it 
you do not need a copy.  Go figure.



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Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

[Douglas Hinds]

NoOp mentioned:

> While doubling the size of the PDF, you can save as a 'hybrid' PDF. That
> way you can open the PDF directly in Writer and edit.

That's definitely worth a try.

But if I open a pdf file as such from oo write it will open it in oo
draw which does not offer that format when I try to save it.

> 
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&complete=0&q=openoffice+%2Bpdf+%2Bhybrid&btnG=Search>
> 
> For existing:
> 
> 
> PDF Edit is good, but rather complex and can take some time to master (I
> never have).
> http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/index.html
> http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/user_doc.html
> 
> If you plan to edit quite a few, particularly in a commercial
> environment, I'd recommend PDF Studio:
> http://www.qoppa.com/index.html
> Give the free trial a spin:
> http://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/index.html

More  than  EDIT  pdf files, my goal is to EXTRACT or EMPHASIZE info
contained in them.

Converting to a .txt file would allow that but of course, I'd lose
the preexisting formatting and graphics.

I will follow up on your suggestions and links, which should help me
arrive sooner at a more or less workable solution.

One more thing:  My own posts are not returning (so I'm bbc-ing
myself) and I'm wondering if this can be changed via my account's
configuration.


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[users] Re: PDF Conversion

[NoOp]

On 12/10/2010 10:39 AM, Douglas Hinds wrote:
> 
> OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset.
> 
> However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a
> editable format.
> 
> I installed the extension OO offers for doing that but the results
> were not adequate.
> 
> I no longer use Windows.  Can anyone suggest a Linux Application
> (I'm running Mint - a version of Ubuntu) that would allow me to
> convert PDF files to a format editable in OO?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
> 

While doubling the size of the PDF, you can save as a 'hybrid' PDF. That
way you can open the PDF directly in Writer and edit.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&complete=0&q=openoffice+%2Bpdf+%2Bhybrid&btnG=Search>

For existing:


PDF Edit is good, but rather complex and can take some time to master (I
never have).
http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/index.html
http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/user_doc.html

If you plan to edit quite a few, particularly in a commercial
environment, I'd recommend PDF Studio:
http://www.qoppa.com/index.html
Give the free trial a spin:
http://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/index.html


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