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Well, if it was welcoming you to Macedonia, it was certainly used, probably refurbished or reconditioned, but not very well. It should have had all previous data cleared. Glad that phone is working well for you though. Bill Outman -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James English Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine Hello, My iPhone 6s, which I got in 2015 for a farely cheap contract price, has lasted me faithfully for 3 and a half years now. They said it wasn't a referb model, but I don't know, the first message on it is 'welcome to Macedonia,' where I've never been though. My Dad has had to change his Samsung galaxy 3 times in that period due to it giving out on him. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"; target="_blank">https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"; alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /> Virus-free. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"; target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com On 1/23/19, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > If you get a flagship Android phone you'll get two to three major OS > updates and not one to two as you state. If you get a cheaper budget > phone then you may get fewer updates. You'd also get fewer then four > to five updates if you get an older iPhone for less money. > > > Obviously if you plan to hold on to your phone for four or five years, > and major OS updates are important to you, then you'll definitely want > to consider the newest iPhone. There are quite a few people though who > update their phones more frequently then that, so two or three major > OS upgrades are plenty. I'm not saying Android phones shouldn't have a > longer shelf life, but this feature isn't critical for everyone. > > > I agree this article is using a mellow dramatic title to get some > clicks, and not all of it's facts are spot on, but it is pointing out > a real issue that I'm sure Apple executives are working hard to address. > Someone compared this to the situation with Microsoft from a few years > ago, but just as Microsoft had to remake themselves as a company and > move their revenue away from a desktop operating system, Apple needs > to make a similar transformation and generate revenue from sources > other then smart phone hardware sales. > > > On 1/22/19 9:59 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >> With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly >> largely mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather >> have a phone that I could use for several years, knowing that it >> would be up-to-date including security, and deal with a little bit of >> slow down, then have a phone that maybe gets one or possibly two >> updates at most. The trade-off simply isn’t worth it. And I don’t know about >> the phones not slowing down. >> My husband had an HTC phone for three years. At the time he purchased >> it, it was the flag ship. Not only did not get security update after >> year too, he said it became sluggish and weird stuff started >> happening. His words not mine. So he got another android phone this >> last fall, paying huge dollars for Samsung note 9. And I will bet you >> that in two years, that phone won’t be seeing updates, where as my >> iPhone will be. So nuts on android as far as I’m concerned until they >> improve their longevity. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett wrote: >>> >>> Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow >>> down over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get >>> the latest updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you >>> bought it. >>> You can't say that about apple. >>> Cheers, >>> Brett. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from >>>> Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security >>>> patching, not two years of major updat
RE: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
Let's not forget that we should compare Apples to apples and not Apple's to Oranges (pun intended). If you want to compare phones like the iPhone XR or XS with Android phones you have to compare them to high-end, flagship Android phones from Samsung, Google or HTC and there are plenty of those which cost just as much as the iPhones. But of course there are a ton of much less expensive Android phones which are primarily geared for markets like India, the Philippines, Africa and even China where there are Billions of people who will never in their life be able to afford an iPhone or, for that matter, a top-of-the line Samsung or Google phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Mary Otten Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine If you get a flagship Android phone you'll get two to three major OS updates and not one to two as you state. If you get a cheaper budget phone then you may get fewer updates. You'd also get fewer then four to five updates if you get an older iPhone for less money. Obviously if you plan to hold on to your phone for four or five years, and major OS updates are important to you, then you'll definitely want to consider the newest iPhone. There are quite a few people though who update their phones more frequently then that, so two or three major OS upgrades are plenty. I'm not saying Android phones shouldn't have a longer shelf life, but this feature isn't critical for everyone. I agree this article is using a mellow dramatic title to get some clicks, and not all of it's facts are spot on, but it is pointing out a real issue that I'm sure Apple executives are working hard to address. Someone compared this to the situation with Microsoft from a few years ago, but just as Microsoft had to remake themselves as a company and move their revenue away from a desktop operating system, Apple needs to make a similar transformation and generate revenue from sources other then smart phone hardware sales. On 1/22/19 9:59 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely > mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone > that I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date > including security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a > phone that maybe gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off > simply isn’t worth it. And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down. My > husband had an HTC phone for three years. At the time he purchased it, it was > the flag ship. Not only did not get security update after year too, he said > it became sluggish and weird stuff started happening. His words not mine. So > he got another android phone this last fall, paying huge dollars for Samsung > note 9. And I will bet you that in two years, that phone won’t be seeing > updates, where as my iPhone will be. So nuts on android as far as I’m > concerned until they improve their longevity. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett wrote: >> >> Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down >> over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest >> updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. >> You can't say that about apple. >> Cheers, >> Brett. >> >> >> >> >>> On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain >>> wrote: >>> >>> Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from >>> Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security >>> patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it >>> doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before >>> spreading false information. >>> https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote: >>>> Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to >>>> make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple >>>> builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of >>>> them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really >>>> isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years >>>> of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still >>>> in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time >>>> are probably on thei
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their products to last for a long time. If you take care of >>>>> them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really >>>>> isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years >>>>> of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still >>>>> in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time >>>>> are probably on their way to a recycling center. >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>>>> What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones >>>>>> since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. >>>>>> "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look >>>>>> at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. >>>>>> If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC >>>>>> sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from >>>>>> their end as is Apple. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>>>>> Of M. Taylor >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine >>>>>> >>>>>> The End Of Apple >>>>>> By Stephen McBride >>>>>> >>>>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." >>>>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. >>>>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the >>>>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for >>>>>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag >>>>>> of the latest Apple >>>>>> (AAPL) iPhone. >>>>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. >>>>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun >>>>>> Apple has had an incredible decade. >>>>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped >>>>>> tenfold. >>>>>> The stock has soared over 700%. >>>>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly >>>>>> traded company. >>>>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked >>>>>> investors. >>>>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings >>>>>> forecast. >>>>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. >>>>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed >>>>>> about 35% from its November peak. >>>>>>That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout >>>>>> of wealth in a single stock ever. >>>>>> And it's only the beginning. >>>>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at >>>>>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. >>>>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: >>>>>>By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But >>>>>> there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. >>>>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every >>>>>> year. >>>>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple >>>>>> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. >>>>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you >>>>>> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. >>>>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. >>>>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! >>>>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. >>>>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time. >>>>>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even >>>>>> a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch >>>>>> one from Best Buy for $500.
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If you get a flagship Android phone you'll get two to three major OS updates and not one to two as you state. If you get a cheaper budget phone then you may get fewer updates. You'd also get fewer then four to five updates if you get an older iPhone for less money. Obviously if you plan to hold on to your phone for four or five years, and major OS updates are important to you, then you'll definitely want to consider the newest iPhone. There are quite a few people though who update their phones more frequently then that, so two or three major OS upgrades are plenty. I'm not saying Android phones shouldn't have a longer shelf life, but this feature isn't critical for everyone. I agree this article is using a mellow dramatic title to get some clicks, and not all of it's facts are spot on, but it is pointing out a real issue that I'm sure Apple executives are working hard to address. Someone compared this to the situation with Microsoft from a few years ago, but just as Microsoft had to remake themselves as a company and move their revenue away from a desktop operating system, Apple needs to make a similar transformation and generate revenue from sources other then smart phone hardware sales. On 1/22/19 9:59 AM, Mary Otten wrote: With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone that I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date including security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a phone that maybe gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off simply isn’t worth it. And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down. My husband had an HTC phone for three years. At the time he purchased it, it was the flag ship. Not only did not get security update after year too, he said it became sluggish and weird stuff started happening. His words not mine. So he got another android phone this last fall, paying huge dollars for Samsung note 9. And I will bet you that in two years, that phone won’t be seeing updates, where as my iPhone will be. So nuts on android as far as I’m concerned until they improve their longevity. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett wrote: Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. You can't say that about apple. Cheers, Brett. On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain wrote: Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before spreading false information. https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote: Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time are probably on their way to a recycling center. On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from their end as is Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until l
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After all Forbes always bag Apple. Max. > On 22 Jan 2019, at 5:53 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post > such link bait. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine > > The End Of Apple > By Stephen McBride > > "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." > Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. > I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever > American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) > The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple > (AAPL) iPhone. > He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. > "Who can afford that?" he asks. > > Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun > Apple has had an incredible decade. > Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. > The stock has soared over 700%. > And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded > company. > But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. > For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. > The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. > This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% > from its November peak. > > That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth > in a single stock ever. > And it's only the beginning. > Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret > If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. > Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: > > By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a > secret hidden behind these headline numbers. > Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. > In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 > million fewer phones than it did three years ago. > Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices > In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. > In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. > Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! > It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. > But technology always gets cheaper over time. > Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small > one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy > for $500. > In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price > for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. > Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its > smartphone prices by 500%! > Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. > But let me tell you this. > Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore > It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. > Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over > five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. > Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in > a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded > company in history. > Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for > most businesses. > But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. > Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices > that seemed crazy just a few years ago. > But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. > After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? > $1,500? > $2,000? > > How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. > In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. > This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. > Yet Apple now keeps it secret. > Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel > iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales. > Let that sink in. > A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones > is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells! > And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone > sales. > Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those > segments are also stagnant. > Which means 86% of Apple's business is g
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I am sorry to dispute what you say but I have a friend who had until very recently used a Galaxy S5 which was so slow it was driving him crazy. When he got his hands on a newer Android he could hardly believe the difference in the speed. I have owned IPhones for around eight years and as far as I can tell, all smart phones are faster now because of the improved processors and it makes the older phones seem even slower.I can believe that the older phones do lose some of their performance just like a computer but the newer, faster processors are a major factor in the newer phones. Marie -Original Message- From: Brett Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Gordon ; Christopher Chaltain Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. You can't say that about apple. Cheers, Brett. On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain wrote: Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before spreading false information. https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote: Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time are probably on their way to a recycling center. On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from their end as is Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motoro
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With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone that I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date including security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a phone that maybe gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off simply isn’t worth it. And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down. My husband had an HTC phone for three years. At the time he purchased it, it was the flag ship. Not only did not get security update after year too, he said it became sluggish and weird stuff started happening. His words not mine. So he got another android phone this last fall, paying huge dollars for Samsung note 9. And I will bet you that in two years, that phone won’t be seeing updates, where as my iPhone will be. So nuts on android as far as I’m concerned until they improve their longevity. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett wrote: > > Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down over > time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest updates, > you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. You can't > say that about apple. > Cheers, > Brett. > > > > >> On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain >> wrote: >> >> Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from >> Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security >> patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it >> doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before >> spreading false information. >> https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en >> >> >> >>> On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote: >>> Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to >>> make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple >>> builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of >>> them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really >>> isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years >>> of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still >>> in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time >>> are probably on their way to a recycling center. >>> >>>> On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>> What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones >>>> since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. >>>> "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look >>>> at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. >>>> If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC >>>> sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from >>>> their end as is Apple. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>>> Of M. Taylor >>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine >>>> >>>> The End Of Apple >>>> By Stephen McBride >>>> >>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." >>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. >>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the >>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for >>>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag >>>> of the latest Apple >>>> (AAPL) iPhone. >>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. >>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks. >>>> >>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun >>>> Apple has had an incredible decade. >>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped >>>> tenfold. >>>> The stock has soared over 700%. >>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly >>>> traded company. >>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. >>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings >>>> forecast. >>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. >>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which
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Thankful I got my SE for $160. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine And of course Apple has brought the SE back for $249 for the 32 gig version and $299 for the 128. This will help keep them in the game giving those who are working with a budget an opportunity to have an iPhone. For years Android was so popular because you could get several phones for under $100. I'm surprised that Apple hasn't introduced something like that. But these Apple products are built to last, so that $249 SE could last as long as several of the Androids under $100. On 1/22/2019 2:04 AM, Deidre Muccio wrote: > Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran > iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. > And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that > is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 > over the past years. > > Deidre > > >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you >> post such link bait. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of M. Taylor >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine >> >> The End Of Apple >> By Stephen McBride >> >> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." >> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. >> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the >> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for >> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag >> of the latest Apple >> (AAPL) iPhone. >> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. >> "Who can afford that?" he asks. >> >> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun >> Apple has had an incredible decade. >> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. >> The stock has soared over 700%. >> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly >> traded company. >> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. >> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. >> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. >> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed >> about 35% from its November peak. >> >> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of >> wealth in a single stock ever. >> And it's only the beginning. >> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at >> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. >> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: >> >> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But >> there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. >> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. >> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple >> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. >> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you >> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. >> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. >> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! >> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. >> But technology always gets cheaper over time. >> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even >> a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch >> one from Best Buy for $500. >> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average >> price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. >> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has >> hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! >> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. >> But let me tell you this. >> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore >> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. >> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today >> over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. >> Apple was the d
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Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it. You can't say that about apple. Cheers, Brett. On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain wrote: Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before spreading false information. https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote: Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time are probably on their way to a recycling center. On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from their end as is Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. But let me tell you this. Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded company in history. Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the en
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You can pick up cheaper ones from Gazelle, Ebay, and the refurrbed apple store. Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Deidre Muccio Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 over the past years. Deidre > On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post > such link bait. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine > > The End Of Apple > By Stephen McBride > > "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." > Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. > I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever > American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) > The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple > (AAPL) iPhone. > He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. > "Who can afford that?" he asks. > > Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun > Apple has had an incredible decade. > Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. > The stock has soared over 700%. > And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded > company. > But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. > For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. > The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. > This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% > from its November peak. > > That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth > in a single stock ever. > And it's only the beginning. > Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret > If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. > Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: > > By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a > secret hidden behind these headline numbers. > Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. > In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 > million fewer phones than it did three years ago. > Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices > In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. > In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. > Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! > It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. > But technology always gets cheaper over time. > Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small > one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy > for $500. > In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price > for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. > Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its > smartphone prices by 500%! > Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. > But let me tell you this. > Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore > It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. > Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over > five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. > Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in > a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded > company in history. > Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for > most businesses. > But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. > Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices > that seemed crazy just a few years ago. > But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. > After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? > $1,500? > $2,000? > > How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. > In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. > This is a ver
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Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before spreading false information. https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote: Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time are probably on their way to a recycling center. On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from their end as is Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. But let me tell you this. Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded company in history. Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for most businesses. But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago. But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. After all, what's the
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And of course Apple has brought the SE back for $249 for the 32 gig version and $299 for the 128. This will help keep them in the game giving those who are working with a budget an opportunity to have an iPhone. For years Android was so popular because you could get several phones for under $100. I'm surprised that Apple hasn't introduced something like that. But these Apple products are built to last, so that $249 SE could last as long as several of the Androids under $100. On 1/22/2019 2:04 AM, Deidre Muccio wrote: Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 over the past years. Deidre On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post such link bait. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. But let me tell you this. Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded company in history. Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for most businesses. But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago. But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? $1,500? $2,000? How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. Yet Apple now keeps it secret. Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales. Let that sin
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And currently you can buy an iPhone 8 for $800 not an iPhone 8 X but an iPhone 8 for 800 but yes all these also come with packages that you're required to buy meaning of a service. Still the phone itself… either way it's still a lot of money. If the cheapest iPhone I could buy was $1000 anywhere I looked, I would go back to a regular mobile phone and buy some other device like an iPod or something for a podcast listening and Internet browsing and those sorts of things. Deidre > On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post > such link bait. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine > > The End Of Apple > By Stephen McBride > > "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." > Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. > I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever > American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) > The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple > (AAPL) iPhone. > He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. > "Who can afford that?" he asks. > > Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun > Apple has had an incredible decade. > Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. > The stock has soared over 700%. > And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded > company. > But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. > For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. > The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. > This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% > from its November peak. > > That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth > in a single stock ever. > And it's only the beginning. > Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret > If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. > Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: > > By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a > secret hidden behind these headline numbers. > Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. > In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 > million fewer phones than it did three years ago. > Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices > In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. > In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. > Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! > It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. > But technology always gets cheaper over time. > Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small > one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy > for $500. > In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price > for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. > Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its > smartphone prices by 500%! > Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. > But let me tell you this. > Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore > It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. > Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over > five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. > Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in > a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded > company in history. > Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for > most businesses. > But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. > Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices > that seemed crazy just a few years ago. > But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. > After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? > $1,500? > $2,000? > > How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. > In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. > This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. > Yet Apple now keeps it secret. > Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel > iPhone generates tw
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Three or four years ago I was quoted a price of 700 not including tax foran iPhone 6 from an Apple store. I bought one for 350 as a deal from my carrier. And yes you can even buy a new one for $150 as long is two years ago and that is an Apple iPhone from AARP. So no not all iPhones of cost as much as $1000 over the past years. Deidre > On Jan 22, 2019, at 1:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post > such link bait. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine > > The End Of Apple > By Stephen McBride > > "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." > Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. > I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever > American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) > The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple > (AAPL) iPhone. > He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. > "Who can afford that?" he asks. > > Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun > Apple has had an incredible decade. > Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. > The stock has soared over 700%. > And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded > company. > But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. > For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. > The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. > This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% > from its November peak. > > That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth > in a single stock ever. > And it's only the beginning. > Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret > If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. > Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: > > By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a > secret hidden behind these headline numbers. > Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. > In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 > million fewer phones than it did three years ago. > Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices > In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. > In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. > Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! > It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. > But technology always gets cheaper over time. > Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small > one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy > for $500. > In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price > for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. > Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its > smartphone prices by 500%! > Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. > But let me tell you this. > Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore > It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. > Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over > five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. > Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in > a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded > company in history. > Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for > most businesses. > But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. > Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices > that seemed crazy just a few years ago. > But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. > After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? > $1,500? > $2,000? > > How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. > In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. > This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. > Yet Apple now keeps it secret. > Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel > iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales. > Let that sink in. > A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones > is no lon
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Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time are probably on their way to a recycling center. On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from their end as is Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. But let me tell you this. Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded company in history. Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for most businesses. But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago. But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? $1,500? $2,000? How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. Yet Apple now keeps it secret. Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales. Let that
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By the way, Mark, I mean no offense, but I have to say I'm surprised you post such link bait. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. But let me tell you this. Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded company in history. Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for most businesses. But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago. But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? $1,500? $2,000? How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. Yet Apple now keeps it secret. Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales. Let that sink in. A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells! And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone sales. Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those segments are also stagnant. Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere. Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices? I ran the numbers. If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million additional phones just to match 2018's revenue. Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate? Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones. In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read: "Nokia: One billion customers-can anyone catch the cell phone king?" The iPhone debuted in 2007. Here's Nokia's stock chart since then: Original Article at: https://www.forbes.
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What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299. "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look at what an iPhone 7 costs right now. If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from their end as is Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. But let me tell you this. Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded company in history. Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for most businesses. But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago. But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? $1,500? $2,000? How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. Yet Apple now keeps it secret. Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales. Let that sink in. A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells! And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone sales. Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those segments are also stagnant. Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere. Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices? I ran the numbers. If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million additional phones just to match 2018's revenue. Will Apple Meet N
The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
The End Of Apple By Stephen McBride "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me." Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City. I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple (AAPL) iPhone. He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149. "Who can afford that?" he asks. Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun Apple has had an incredible decade. Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold. The stock has soared over 700%. And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded company. But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors. For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast. The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years. This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35% from its November peak. That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth in a single stock ever. And it's only the beginning. Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong. Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth: By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers. Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year. In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago. Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks. In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks. Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149! It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago. But technology always gets cheaper over time. Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy for $500. In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC. Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its smartphone prices by 500%! Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off. But let me tell you this. Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses. Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC. Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded company in history. Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for most businesses. But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes. Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago. But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go. After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone? $1,500? $2,000? How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret. In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales. This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it. Yet Apple now keeps it secret. Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales. Let that sink in. A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells! And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone sales. Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those segments are also stagnant. Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere. Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices? I ran the numbers. If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million additional phones just to match 2018's revenue. Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate? Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones. In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read: "Nokia: One billion customers-can anyone catch the cell phone king?" The iPhone debuted in 2007. Here's Nokia's stock chart since then: Original Article at: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenmcbride1/2019/01/21/the-end-of-apple/#68 6fdd936dc0 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner
