Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

I do not know Broadsoft and do not know Freeswitch so I will not compare
them with other products. I don't like comparing products I don't know, but
I have a big respect for "commercial" grade software. Having to deal with a
big, structured, hierarchical company is always a pleasure. I feel
comfortable while I explain my problems to my contact person for the
company who takes care of explaining them to the engineering, get the
answer and report to me, avoiding obscure technical words I often cannot
understand. What about support, yeah... I really like the way commercial
grade software nannies me with good music while I wait in line for the
right person to help me.

Leandro


2014-08-07 19:46 GMT+02:00 Jesse Howard :

>  Let’s not make this about Asterisk vs. FreeSwitch or why open source can
> do anything the commercial players can do (even if they can do it better or
> offered it years earlier).
>
>
>
> The original poster asked about alternatives to Broadsoft with special
> attention to multi tenancy and commercial offerings. To my knowledge
> neither Asterisk (Digium) nor FreeSwitch offer a commercially viable
> product that competes directly with Broadsoft or provides a service
> provider management interface. My assumption is that the interface for
> provisioning and user management etc. is the driving force behind the use
> of the word “commercial” but I prefer not to make that assumption and ask
> the original poster to clarify those points.
>
>
>
> Jesse
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Timmins [mailto:p...@timmins.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2014 10:26 AM
>
> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
> Broadsoft
>
>
>
> Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without breaking
> a sweat.
>
>
>
> On 08/07/2014 11:01 AM, Peter Rad. wrote:
>
>
> From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls per
> user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind of
> volume.
>
> Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers -
> one for each customer. It became unmanageable.
>
> Just some thoughts this morning.
>
> Peter
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jesse Howard]

Let's not make this about Asterisk vs. FreeSwitch or why open source can do 
anything the commercial players can do (even if they can do it better or 
offered it years earlier).

The original poster asked about alternatives to Broadsoft with special 
attention to multi tenancy and commercial offerings. To my knowledge neither 
Asterisk (Digium) nor FreeSwitch offer a commercially viable product that 
competes directly with Broadsoft or provides a service provider management 
interface. My assumption is that the interface for provisioning and user 
management etc. is the driving force behind the use of the word "commercial" 
but I prefer not to make that assumption and ask the original poster to clarify 
those points.

Jesse

From: Paul Timmins [mailto:p...@timmins.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 10:26 AM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without breaking a 
sweat.


On 08/07/2014 11:01 AM, Peter Rad. wrote:

>From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls per 
>user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind of volume.

Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers - one 
for each customer. It became unmanageable.

Just some thoughts this morning.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

There is something similar also in Asterisk even if I have never used that.
I prefer to use ODBC and retrieve values from the database directly.

Leandro


2014-08-07 16:43 GMT+02:00 Gabriel Gunderson :

> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:01 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:
> > If you had the time to test both of them, which feature do you find
> useful
> > on Freeswitch and not available on asterisk?
>
> For me, it's the ability to configure every aspect of it dynamically
> using the xml_curl option.
>
> https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_xml_curl#Overview
>
> That covers server configuration and dialplan. Super powerful stuff.
>
>
> Best,
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

It is really hard to define a max load for a dynamic system. I haven't done
any real testing, however my biggest client, using a two nodes system, is
managing over than 250 clients with over than 3000 extensions registered
and making/receiving more than 5 calls every day. The system is smooth
and the client is happy. I have no idea how many concurrent calls is
handling.

Leandro


2014-08-07 17:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Rad. :

>
> From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls per
> user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind of
> volume.
>
> Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers -
> one for each customer. It became unmanageable.
>
> Just some thoughts this morning.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 8/6/2014 7:28 PM, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
>
> I found really time and resource consuming having an asterisk (even if
> virtualized) for each client. I see a lots of companies failing when
> reaching around 40/50 virtual severs. The time needed to maintain all these
> servers were too big for the money the clients can provide. I think it is
> more convenient to have a multi tenant setup where a single central
> asterisk handle all the virtual pbx for the clients. The resources needed
> for a new client are almost zero and you can acquire even little office
> with just a couple of phones.
>
>  Leandro
>
>
> 2014-08-06 19:24 GMT+02:00 Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 <
> anaka...@trinet-hi.com>:
>
>>  We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
>> powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features that
>> Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but we're aiming for
>> B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via flat rate or A2Billing.
>>
>>  It'll come close to meta switch or broad soft but you will need to
>> service your clients. BUT you wold be 100% opensource.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Aryn H. K. Nakaoka
>> anaka...@trinet-hi.com
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>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:38 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:
>>
>>> I almost agree with you, but I think instead of saying "The drawback to
>>> Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff" I will say "The drawback
>>> to Asterisk is you have to DISABLE a lots of extra stuff". Yes, if you are
>>> doing a pure SIP routing, you may disable IAX and all other VoIP protocol
>>> you do not need, you may disable all applications you don't use and reduce
>>> asterisk to the bare minimum, but are they really hurting you? I cannot
>>> compare asterisk to other VoIP software because I just know asterisk, but
>>> having something "more" was never been a problem. Problems can arise when
>>> you need a feature and you do not have it. We are working in a highly
>>> competitive market where we fight to the death for every single customer,
>>> trying to pleasant them as much as we can. Often clients have silly
>>> requests and I appreciate when I have a software even capable to play chess
>>> with the caller while on hold.
>>>
>>>  Leandro
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-08-06 17:10 GMT+02:00 Eric Wieling :
>>>
A well spec’d Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if audio is
 not going through Asterisk.The drawback to Asterisk is you have to add
 lots of extra stuff. The few GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed
 for SMBs, not for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come close
 to fufilling the original poster’s needs for things like SMS (for some
 values of “SMS”).



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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Alex Balashov]

On 08/07/2014 11:26 AM, Paul Timmins wrote:


Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without
breaking a sweat.


That must be a fairly recent version.

In my experience, in the < 1000 channel arena, the real resource limits 
are generally around CPS, rather than concurrent calls.


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Paul Timmins]

Our asterisk system is peaking at over 800 standing calls without 
breaking a sweat.



On 08/07/2014 11:01 AM, Peter Rad. wrote:


From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls 
per user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that 
kind of volume.


Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers 
- one for each customer. It became unmanageable.


Just some thoughts this morning.

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Peter Rad.]

From what I have been told, Asterisk can handle 300 simultaneous calls 
per user. Most ITSPs wouldn't know because they aren't seeing that kind 
of volume.


Cbeyond bought a company called Aretta that did Asterisk in containers - 
one for each customer. It became unmanageable.


Just some thoughts this morning.

Peter


On 8/6/2014 7:28 PM, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
I found really time and resource consuming having an asterisk (even if 
virtualized) for each client. I see a lots of companies failing when 
reaching around 40/50 virtual severs. The time needed to maintain all 
these servers were too big for the money the clients can provide. I 
think it is more convenient to have a multi tenant setup where a 
single central asterisk handle all the virtual pbx for the clients. 
The resources needed for a new client are almost zero and you can 
acquire even little office with just a couple of phones.


Leandro


2014-08-06 19:24 GMT+02:00 Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 
mailto:anaka...@trinet-hi.com>>:


We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features
that Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but
we're aiming for B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via
flat rate or A2Billing.

It'll come close to meta switch or broad soft but you will need to
service your clients. BUT you wold be 100% opensource.







Aryn H. K. Nakaoka
anaka...@trinet-hi.com 

Direct: 808.356.2901 
Fax : 808.356.2919 

Call me with our Browser Phone :
https://encrypted.alohatone.com/3562901

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http://www.trinet-hi.com

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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:38 AM, MiRTA PBX team mailto:i...@mirtapbx.com>> wrote:

I almost agree with you, but I think instead of saying "The
drawback to Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff" I
will say "The drawback to Asterisk is you have to DISABLE a
lots of extra stuff". Yes, if you are doing a pure SIP
routing, you may disable IAX and all other VoIP protocol you
do not need, you may disable all applications you don't use
and reduce asterisk to the bare minimum, but are they really
hurting you? I cannot compare asterisk to other VoIP software
because I just know asterisk, but having something "more" was
never been a problem. Problems can arise when you need a
feature and you do not have it. We are working in a highly
competitive market where we fight to the death for every
single customer, trying to pleasant them as much as we can.
Often clients have silly requests and I appreciate when I have
a software even capable to play chess with the caller while on
hold.

Leandro


2014-08-06 17:10 GMT+02:00 Eric Wieling mailto:ewiel...@nyigc.com>>:

A well spec'd Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if
audio is not going through Asterisk.The drawback to
Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff. The few
GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed for SMBs, not
for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come
close to fufilling the original poster's needs for things
like SMS (for some values of "SMS").




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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Gabriel Gunderson]

On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:01 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:
> If you had the time to test both of them, which feature do you find useful
> on Freeswitch and not available on asterisk?

For me, it's the ability to configure every aspect of it dynamically
using the xml_curl option.

https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_xml_curl#Overview

That covers server configuration and dialplan. Super powerful stuff.


Best,
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Yes, it seems Freeswitch is a better solution for multi tenant than
Asterisk. There doesn't seem to be many Freeswitch GUI's out there though?
Am I missing something?


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 6:20 AM, David Knell  wrote:

>
> On 07/08/2014 09:01, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
>
> I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
> any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
> product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
> product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
> them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
> asterisk?
>
>
> We're in the (un)fortunate position of having developed multi-tenant
> PABXes based both around Asterisk and FreeSWITCH.  They both provide a
> perfectly good platform for this scenario, and it'd be more a matter of
> personal choice than anything as to which one's "better."
>
> That said, we use FreeSWITCH pretty much exclusively for our SBCs and
> IVRs.  We did have bit of Kamailio mixed in for a while, but we didn't
> really need it's blindingly-fast performance and it was another point of
> failure.
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[David Knell]

On 07/08/2014 09:01, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is 
there any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I 
move from product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is 
not available in product A while it is in product B. If you had the 
time to test both of them, which feature do you find useful on 
Freeswitch and not available on asterisk?


We're in the (un)fortunate position of having developed multi-tenant 
PABXes based both around Asterisk and FreeSWITCH.  They both provide a 
perfectly good platform for this scenario, and it'd be more a matter of 
personal choice than anything as to which one's "better."


That said, we use FreeSWITCH pretty much exclusively for our SBCs and 
IVRs.  We did have bit of Kamailio mixed in for a while, but we didn't 
really need it's blindingly-fast performance and it was another point of 
failure.


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[georg]

Hi,

On 08/07/2014 10:01 AM, MiRTA PBX team wrote:
> I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
> any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
> product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
> product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
> them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
> asterisk?

Three years ago I made this switch, Asterisk to FreeSwitch, because of
this: missing features. At least I've never found out, how to do it with
Asterisk.

I wanted to route outgoing calls automatically to mobile phones via call
by call to save money. In the end I've used regular expressions [1] and
it worked (and still does) like a charm.

Can't talk about the current situation, because since then, never
"looked back".

Cheers,
Georg


[1] https://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Regular_Expression



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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901]

anyone going to astricon in Vegas ?

Asterisk won't work for large networks as the sip gateway when you start
dealing with larger carriers.

But it's the best handset / pbx manager out there.

Aryn Nakaoka
808.356.2901
On Aug 6, 2014 10:03 PM, "MiRTA PBX team"  wrote:

> I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
> any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
> product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
> product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
> them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
> asterisk?
>
> Leandro
>
>
> 2014-08-07 8:55 GMT+02:00 Gabriel Gunderson :
>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Colton Conor 
>> wrote:
>> > What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx
>> systems are
>> > on the market today besides Broadsoft?
>>
>> Lots of comments about Asterisk.  If you're going to roll your own,
>> that's a great solution.
>>
>> Frankly, I'm kinda surprised nobody has mentioned FreeSWITCH for
>> rolling your own multitenant softswitch / PBX. We've had tons of
>> success with it. Ultra configurable, very powerful, easy to scale and
>> make redundant on commodity hardware. Of course, this isn't
>> "turn-key".
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

I read good review too on Freeswitch, but if I master asterisk, is there
any reason I have to start learning a new product? Usually I move from
product A to product B when I need the feature X and it is not available in
product A while it is in product B. If you had the time to test both of
them, which feature do you find useful on Freeswitch and not available on
asterisk?

Leandro


2014-08-07 8:55 GMT+02:00 Gabriel Gunderson :

> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
> > What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
> are
> > on the market today besides Broadsoft?
>
> Lots of comments about Asterisk.  If you're going to roll your own,
> that's a great solution.
>
> Frankly, I'm kinda surprised nobody has mentioned FreeSWITCH for
> rolling your own multitenant softswitch / PBX. We've had tons of
> success with it. Ultra configurable, very powerful, easy to scale and
> make redundant on commodity hardware. Of course, this isn't
> "turn-key".
>
> Good luck!
>
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Gabriel Gunderson]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are
> on the market today besides Broadsoft?

Lots of comments about Asterisk.  If you're going to roll your own,
that's a great solution.

Frankly, I'm kinda surprised nobody has mentioned FreeSWITCH for
rolling your own multitenant softswitch / PBX. We've had tons of
success with it. Ultra configurable, very powerful, easy to scale and
make redundant on commodity hardware. Of course, this isn't
"turn-key".

Good luck!


Gabe
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901]

Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if audio is not
>>>> going through Asterisk.The drawback to Asterisk is you have to add lots
>>>> of extra stuff. The few GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed for
>>>> SMBs, not for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come close to
>>>> fufilling the original poster’s needs for things like SMS (for some values
>>>> of “SMS”).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *John
>>>> Curry
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:52 PM
>>>> *To:* 'Chris Carabello'; voiceops@voiceops.org
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
>>>> Broadsoft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Other considerations (cost)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An Asterisk 1U server sotswitch will comfortably handle 100 concurrent
>>>> calls, as a business grows Additional 1U Servers are added. If a 1U switch
>>>> would crash, automatic failover to other 1U load balanced softswitch
>>>> servers. Because of the lower cost entry redundancy in multiple
>>>> Co-locations is easily accomplished. Live CDR can be pushed to the billing
>>>> product of your choice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A class 4 or 5 tandem switch is very expensive. Multiple co-location is
>>>> next to impossible unless you have seven digits to invest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> [image: cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47@hsd1.pa.comcast.net.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org
>>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris Carabello
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 4, 2014 8:56 PM
>>>> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
>>>> Broadsoft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m a new member to the group and happy to contribute to this thread.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For background purposes, Metaswitch has hundreds of service providers
>>>> globally using our carrier-grade platform to deliver a complete Class 5,
>>>> Trunking, and Hosted PBX solution and Accession UC Client to a broad range
>>>> of enterprise customers.  We also have a number of service providers who
>>>> offer a wholesale “whitelabel” offering as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ll be happy to address specific questions about the breadth of our
>>>> solution.  Suffice it to say that service providers, large and small, are
>>>> winning in the market with our feature set.  We are also deployed in
>>>> service providers who offer the same enterprise offering alongside those
>>>> which is built on other vendors’ platforms (as a result of M&A).  In other
>>>> scenarios, service providers have opted to completely migrate from other
>>>> platforms to Metaswitch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other cases, we provide the Class 4, Media Gateway functions (we can
>>>> talk TDM and SIP), and/or SBC, which has been reviewed favorably by
>>>> independent analysts and the market alike and can be deployed on HW or
>>>> virtualized as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Carabello
>>>>
>>>> Senior Director - Product Marketing
>>>>
>>>> 510-217-2019
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *METASWITCH NETWORKS *
>>>>
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>>>> *www.metaswitch.com <http://www.metaswitch.com>*
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[MiRTA PBX team]

I found really time and resource consuming having an asterisk (even if
virtualized) for each client. I see a lots of companies failing when
reaching around 40/50 virtual severs. The time needed to maintain all these
servers were too big for the money the clients can provide. I think it is
more convenient to have a multi tenant setup where a single central
asterisk handle all the virtual pbx for the clients. The resources needed
for a new client are almost zero and you can acquire even little office
with just a couple of phones.

Leandro


2014-08-06 19:24 GMT+02:00 Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901 :

> We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
> powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features that
> Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but we're aiming for
> B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via flat rate or A2Billing.
>
> It'll come close to meta switch or broad soft but you will need to service
> your clients. BUT you wold be 100% opensource.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aryn H. K. Nakaoka
> anaka...@trinet-hi.com
>
> Direct: 808.356.2901
> Fax : 808.356.2919
>
> Call me with our Browser Phone : https://encrypted.alohatone.com/3562901
>
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> 733 Bishop St. #1170
> Honolulu, HI 96813
> http://www.trinet-hi.com
>
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> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:38 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:
>
>> I almost agree with you, but I think instead of saying "The drawback to
>> Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff" I will say "The drawback
>> to Asterisk is you have to DISABLE a lots of extra stuff". Yes, if you are
>> doing a pure SIP routing, you may disable IAX and all other VoIP protocol
>> you do not need, you may disable all applications you don't use and reduce
>> asterisk to the bare minimum, but are they really hurting you? I cannot
>> compare asterisk to other VoIP software because I just know asterisk, but
>> having something "more" was never been a problem. Problems can arise when
>> you need a feature and you do not have it. We are working in a highly
>> competitive market where we fight to the death for every single customer,
>> trying to pleasant them as much as we can. Often clients have silly
>> requests and I appreciate when I have a software even capable to play chess
>> with the caller while on hold.
>>
>> Leandro
>>
>>
>> 2014-08-06 17:10 GMT+02:00 Eric Wieling :
>>
>>> A well spec’d Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if audio is not
>>> going through Asterisk.The drawback to Asterisk is you have to add lots
>>> of extra stuff. The few GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed for
>>> SMBs, not for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come close to
>>> fufilling the original poster’s needs for things like SMS (for some values
>>> of “SMS”).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *John
>>> Curry
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:52 PM
>>> *To:* 'Chris Carabello'; voiceops@voiceops.org
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
>>> Broadsoft
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Other considerations (cost)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An Asterisk 1U server sotswitch will comfortably handle 100 concurrent
>>> calls, as a business grows Additional 1U Servers are added. If a 1U switch
>>> would crash, automatic failover to other 1U load balanced softswitch
>>> servers. Because of the lower cost entry redundancy in multiple
>>> Co-locations is easily accomplished. Live CDR can be pushed to the billing
>>> product of your choice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A class 4 or 5 tandem switch is very expensive. Multiple co-location is
>>> next to impossible unless you have seven digits to invest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>&g

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Allen, Jay]

I use LXC or Libvirt Linux Containers for load testing and development.  Works 
great!

Jay Allen
jay.al...@adp.com
503-205-4816 (office)

From: Godfrey Nolan mailto:godf...@riis.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM
To: "voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>" 
mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>>
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft


>We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
>powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features that
>Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but we're aiming for
>B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via flat rate or A2Billing.

Anyone using Docker for Asterisk, seems like a perfect fit for this?
http://areskibelaid.com/asterisk-on-docker/

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

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>
>
> >We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
> >powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features that
> >Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but we're aiming for
> >B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via flat rate or A2Billing.
>
> Anyone using Docker for Asterisk, seems like a perfect fit for this?
http://areskibelaid.com/asterisk-on-docker/

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901]

We use a virtualized asterisk per client - makes feature sets very
powerful. Then we have a centralized core for additional features that
Asterisk can not provide.  Its not auto provisioning, but we're aiming for
B2B vs. self-service market. Billing is done via flat rate or A2Billing.

It'll come close to meta switch or broad soft but you will need to service
your clients. BUT you wold be 100% opensource.







Aryn H. K. Nakaoka
anaka...@trinet-hi.com

Direct: 808.356.2901
Fax : 808.356.2919

Call me with our Browser Phone : https://encrypted.alohatone.com/3562901

Tri-net Solutions
733 Bishop St. #1170
Honolulu, HI 96813
http://www.trinet-hi.com

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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:38 AM, MiRTA PBX team  wrote:

> I almost agree with you, but I think instead of saying "The drawback to
> Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff" I will say "The drawback
> to Asterisk is you have to DISABLE a lots of extra stuff". Yes, if you are
> doing a pure SIP routing, you may disable IAX and all other VoIP protocol
> you do not need, you may disable all applications you don't use and reduce
> asterisk to the bare minimum, but are they really hurting you? I cannot
> compare asterisk to other VoIP software because I just know asterisk, but
> having something "more" was never been a problem. Problems can arise when
> you need a feature and you do not have it. We are working in a highly
> competitive market where we fight to the death for every single customer,
> trying to pleasant them as much as we can. Often clients have silly
> requests and I appreciate when I have a software even capable to play chess
> with the caller while on hold.
>
> Leandro
>
>
> 2014-08-06 17:10 GMT+02:00 Eric Wieling :
>
>> A well spec’d Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if audio is not
>> going through Asterisk.The drawback to Asterisk is you have to add lots
>> of extra stuff. The few GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed for
>> SMBs, not for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come close to
>> fufilling the original poster’s needs for things like SMS (for some values
>> of “SMS”).
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *John
>> Curry
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:52 PM
>> *To:* 'Chris Carabello'; voiceops@voiceops.org
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
>> Broadsoft
>>
>>
>>
>> Other considerations (cost)
>>
>>
>>
>> An Asterisk 1U server sotswitch will comfortably handle 100 concurrent
>> calls, as a business grows Additional 1U Servers are added. If a 1U switch
>> would crash, automatic failover to other 1U load balanced softswitch
>> servers. Because of the lower cost entry redundancy in multiple
>> Co-locations is easily accomplished. Live CDR can be pushed to the billing
>> product of your choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> A class 4 or 5 tandem switch is very expensive. Multiple co-location is
>> next to impossible unless you have seven digits to invest.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> [image: cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47@hsd1.pa.comcast.net.]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris Carabello
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 4, 2014 8:56 PM
>> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
>> Broadsoft
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m a new member to the group and happy to contribute to this thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> For background purposes, Metaswitch has hundreds of service providers
>> globally using our carrier-grade platform to deliver a complete Class 5,
>> Trunking, and Hosted PBX solution and Accession UC Client to a broad range
>> of enterprise customers.  We also have a number of service providers who
>> offer a wholesale “whitelabel” offering as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll be happy to address specific questions about the bread

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

I almost agree with you, but I think instead of saying "The drawback to
Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra stuff" I will say "The drawback
to Asterisk is you have to DISABLE a lots of extra stuff". Yes, if you are
doing a pure SIP routing, you may disable IAX and all other VoIP protocol
you do not need, you may disable all applications you don't use and reduce
asterisk to the bare minimum, but are they really hurting you? I cannot
compare asterisk to other VoIP software because I just know asterisk, but
having something "more" was never been a problem. Problems can arise when
you need a feature and you do not have it. We are working in a highly
competitive market where we fight to the death for every single customer,
trying to pleasant them as much as we can. Often clients have silly
requests and I appreciate when I have a software even capable to play chess
with the caller while on hold.

Leandro


2014-08-06 17:10 GMT+02:00 Eric Wieling :

> A well spec’d Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if audio is not
> going through Asterisk.The drawback to Asterisk is you have to add lots
> of extra stuff. The few GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed for
> SMBs, not for a carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come close to
> fufilling the original poster’s needs for things like SMS (for some values
> of “SMS”).
>
>
>
> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *John
> Curry
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:52 PM
> *To:* 'Chris Carabello'; voiceops@voiceops.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
> Broadsoft
>
>
>
> Other considerations (cost)
>
>
>
> An Asterisk 1U server sotswitch will comfortably handle 100 concurrent
> calls, as a business grows Additional 1U Servers are added. If a 1U switch
> would crash, automatic failover to other 1U load balanced softswitch
> servers. Because of the lower cost entry redundancy in multiple
> Co-locations is easily accomplished. Live CDR can be pushed to the billing
> product of your choice.
>
>
>
> A class 4 or 5 tandem switch is very expensive. Multiple co-location is
> next to impossible unless you have seven digits to invest.
>
>
>
> John
>
> [image: cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47@hsd1.pa.comcast.net.]
>
>
>
> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris Carabello
> *Sent:* Monday, August 4, 2014 8:56 PM
> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
> Broadsoft
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I’m a new member to the group and happy to contribute to this thread.
>
>
>
> For background purposes, Metaswitch has hundreds of service providers
> globally using our carrier-grade platform to deliver a complete Class 5,
> Trunking, and Hosted PBX solution and Accession UC Client to a broad range
> of enterprise customers.  We also have a number of service providers who
> offer a wholesale “whitelabel” offering as well.
>
>
>
> I’ll be happy to address specific questions about the breadth of our
> solution.  Suffice it to say that service providers, large and small, are
> winning in the market with our feature set.  We are also deployed in
> service providers who offer the same enterprise offering alongside those
> which is built on other vendors’ platforms (as a result of M&A).  In other
> scenarios, service providers have opted to completely migrate from other
> platforms to Metaswitch.
>
>
>
> In other cases, we provide the Class 4, Media Gateway functions (we can
> talk TDM and SIP), and/or SBC, which has been reviewed favorably by
> independent analysts and the market alike and can be deployed on HW or
> virtualized as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris Carabello
>
> Senior Director - Product Marketing
>
> 510-217-2019
>
>
>
> *METASWITCH NETWORKS *
>
> THE BRAINS OF THE NEW GLOBAL NETWORK
> *www.metaswitch.com <http://www.metaswitch.com>*
>
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Eric Wieling]

A well spec'd Asterisk box can handle well 500+ calls if audio is not going 
through Asterisk.The drawback to Asterisk is you have to add lots of extra 
stuff. The few GUIs availabe for Asterisk are all designed for SMBs, not for a 
carrier.  I love Asterisk, but it would not come close to fufilling the 
original poster's needs for things like SMS (for some values of "SMS").

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of John Curry
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:52 PM
To: 'Chris Carabello'; voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Other considerations (cost)

An Asterisk 1U server sotswitch will comfortably handle 100 concurrent calls, 
as a business grows Additional 1U Servers are added. If a 1U switch would 
crash, automatic failover to other 1U load balanced softswitch servers. Because 
of the lower cost entry redundancy in multiple Co-locations is easily 
accomplished. Live CDR can be pushed to the billing product of your choice.

A class 4 or 5 tandem switch is very expensive. Multiple co-location is next to 
impossible unless you have seven digits to invest.

John
[cid:image001.png@01CFB166.BAC00280]

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Carabello
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:56 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Hi,

I'm a new member to the group and happy to contribute to this thread.

For background purposes, Metaswitch has hundreds of service providers globally 
using our carrier-grade platform to deliver a complete Class 5, Trunking, and 
Hosted PBX solution and Accession UC Client to a broad range of enterprise 
customers.  We also have a number of service providers who offer a wholesale 
"whitelabel" offering as well.

I'll be happy to address specific questions about the breadth of our solution.  
Suffice it to say that service providers, large and small, are winning in the 
market with our feature set.  We are also deployed in service providers who 
offer the same enterprise offering alongside those which is built on other 
vendors' platforms (as a result of M&A).  In other scenarios, service providers 
have opted to completely migrate from other platforms to Metaswitch.

In other cases, we provide the Class 4, Media Gateway functions (we can talk 
TDM and SIP), and/or SBC, which has been reviewed favorably by independent 
analysts and the market alike and can be deployed on HW or virtualized as well.


Chris Carabello
Senior Director - Product Marketing
510-217-2019

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THE BRAINS OF THE NEW GLOBAL NETWORK
www.metaswitch.com


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[John Curry]

Other considerations (cost)

 

An Asterisk 1U server sotswitch will comfortably handle 100 concurrent
calls, as a business grows Additional 1U Servers are added. If a 1U switch
would crash, automatic failover to other 1U load balanced softswitch
servers. Because of the lower cost entry redundancy in multiple Co-locations
is easily accomplished. Live CDR can be pushed to the billing product of
your choice.

 

A class 4 or 5 tandem switch is very expensive. Multiple co-location is next
to impossible unless you have seven digits to invest.

 

John

cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47@hsd1.pa.comcast.net.

 

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Carabello
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:56 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

 

Hi,

 

I'm a new member to the group and happy to contribute to this thread.

 

For background purposes, Metaswitch has hundreds of service providers
globally using our carrier-grade platform to deliver a complete Class 5,
Trunking, and Hosted PBX solution and Accession UC Client to a broad range
of enterprise customers.  We also have a number of service providers who
offer a wholesale "whitelabel" offering as well.  

 

I'll be happy to address specific questions about the breadth of our
solution.  Suffice it to say that service providers, large and small, are
winning in the market with our feature set.  We are also deployed in service
providers who offer the same enterprise offering alongside those which is
built on other vendors' platforms (as a result of M&A).  In other scenarios,
service providers have opted to completely migrate from other platforms to
Metaswitch.   

 

In other cases, we provide the Class 4, Media Gateway functions (we can talk
TDM and SIP), and/or SBC, which has been reviewed favorably by independent
analysts and the market alike and can be deployed on HW or virtualized as
well.

 

 

Chris Carabello

Senior Director - Product Marketing

510-217-2019

 

METASWITCH NETWORKS 

THE BRAINS OF THE NEW GLOBAL NETWORK
www.metaswitch.com

 

 

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[MiRTA PBX team]

For the sake of completeness, I'd like to provide info also for our
solution for Multitenant PBX, based on Asterisk. It is named MiRTA PBX and
you can find all info on www.mirtapbx.com. I know Asterisk is not really
liked at the "top" level of SIP companies, but when a feature rich product
is mandatory, Asterisk is one of the top solutions available.
MiRTA PBX is built around Asterisk Realtime Architecture and all is
database driven. The dialplan is static and all info is recovered from the
database at realtime, meaning you can even change the options of an IVR
while a client is listening to it and he will get the new list when
looping. A static dialplan has the big advantage to not require reload on
configuration changes (the real Achilles' heel of Asterisk). MiRTA PBX has
embedded high availability, meaning you can join two or more asterisk
servers without the need for a central "switch" and have phones connect to
any of the available servers and works as they were all on the same PBX.
Performance can be scaled by just adding more nodes to the system. Right
now our top client is routing more than 60.000 calls every day over more
than 250 tenants using two servers.
MiRTA PBX is a newly developed product and the clients are limited, but
they have provided us with a great feedback driving the development of a
wide array of amazing features. Just name one and if it is not available,
it will be coded.

L.


2014-08-05 2:55 GMT+02:00 Chris Carabello :

>  Hi,
>
>
>
> I’m a new member to the group and happy to contribute to this thread.
>
>
>
> For background purposes, Metaswitch has hundreds of service providers
> globally using our carrier-grade platform to deliver a complete Class 5,
> Trunking, and Hosted PBX solution and Accession UC Client to a broad range
> of enterprise customers.  We also have a number of service providers who
> offer a wholesale “whitelabel” offering as well.
>
>
>
> I’ll be happy to address specific questions about the breadth of our
> solution.  Suffice it to say that service providers, large and small, are
> winning in the market with our feature set.  We are also deployed in
> service providers who offer the same enterprise offering alongside those
> which is built on other vendors’ platforms (as a result of M&A).  In other
> scenarios, service providers have opted to completely migrate from other
> platforms to Metaswitch.
>
>
>
> In other cases, we provide the Class 4, Media Gateway functions (we can
> talk TDM and SIP), and/or SBC, which has been reviewed favorably by
> independent analysts and the market alike and can be deployed on HW or
> virtualized as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris Carabello
>
> Senior Director - Product Marketing
>
> 510-217-2019
>
>
>
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>
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> * www.metaswitch.com *
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[Chris Carabello]

Hi,

I'm a new member to the group and happy to contribute to this thread.

For background purposes, Metaswitch has hundreds of service providers globally 
using our carrier-grade platform to deliver a complete Class 5, Trunking, and 
Hosted PBX solution and Accession UC Client to a broad range of enterprise 
customers.  We also have a number of service providers who offer a wholesale 
"whitelabel" offering as well.

I'll be happy to address specific questions about the breadth of our solution.  
Suffice it to say that service providers, large and small, are winning in the 
market with our feature set.  We are also deployed in service providers who 
offer the same enterprise offering alongside those which is built on other 
vendors' platforms (as a result of M&A).  In other scenarios, service providers 
have opted to completely migrate from other platforms to Metaswitch.

In other cases, we provide the Class 4, Media Gateway functions (we can talk 
TDM and SIP), and/or SBC, which has been reviewed favorably by independent 
analysts and the market alike and can be deployed on HW or virtualized as well.


Chris Carabello
Senior Director - Product Marketing
510-217-2019

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Aled,

Thank you for clearing up some of the confusion. I think part of the
confusion is Broadsoft's fault as their marking is confusing. Not to
mention the have the same application (UC-ONE) listed four different ways
in the app stores!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=BroadSoft,+Inc.&hl=en What
is the difference between all of these? Why don't they just update the
version number like every other app out there instead of listing it a new
way each year?

Yes, I agree that staying with Broadsoft if probably smart for us. What
wholesalers offer all of these integrated UC offerings today? Which
wholesalers already have the integrated Sprint WMI solution with Broadsoft?
What providers make 3rd party Broadsoft portals, and which is the best out
there?




On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Aled Treharne 
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Disclosure: We're an European ditributor/systems integrator who sell
> Broadsoft software and deploy it (along with Acme Packet SBCs and other
> systems), as well as being a BroadCloud PBX reseller and a Broadsoft PS
> partner. We're also the EU BroadCloud PBX CPE partner through our VCOMM
> brand.
>
> So just to tie up some of the terminology because there seems to be some
> confusion around this:
>
> BroadSoft - the company
> BroadWorks - the software that BroadSoft write
> BroadCloud - a cloud deployment of BroadWorks wrapped with a BSS/OSS
> system operated by BroadSoft. It includes a series of products (e.g. IM&P,
> SMS, PacketSmart, PBX) some of which can be used by BroadWorks customers
> (e.g. SMS and IM&P) and some of which offer an alternative to buying
> BroadWorks.
> BroadTouch - a brand for a group of clients written by BroadSoft
> integrated with BroadWorks and available on BroadCloud
> UC One - a branded bundle of BroadTouch software and BroadWorks services
> that provides a specific user experience
>
> It's possible and feasible to see small deployments of Broadworks (upwards
> of 1k subscribers) and we have large enterprises who use it internally
> (circa 3.5k subs) and smallish ITSPs (1-5k subs) who provide either direct
> or wholesale offerings to their customers. I'm not going to put a sales
> pitch on here, that isn't what this list is, but come and talk to us if you
> want to know how we do this.
>
> BroadCloud has a very specific target market - it's designed to be a
> "standardised" deployment of BroadWorks coupled with Rialto, a "quote to
> cash" provisioning system (Broadsoft's marketing material). If you want a
> flexible platform that you can use to provide a different product to other
> BSFT customers out there, you need your own BWKS deployment and will
> probably need a few things around it as well including SBCs and other 3rd
> party products to complete your offering. If on the other hand, you are
> willing to give up some of that flexibility or can't put up the CapEx, then
> BroadCloud allows you provide a BroadWorks-based offering to your
> customers. It was designed originally for large Tier 1s who would spend
> 18-36 months deciding on product options, deploying systems, building teams
> of people to manage it, etc. BroadSoft can get you operational on
> BroadCloud in 90 days.
>
> BroadCloud PBX allows you to bring your own PSTN interconnects to the
> product and still own the numbers and minutes, or enter into an agreement
> with specific partners who have already integrated with the platform.
>
> Connor - the features you listed are available in BroadWorks but it sounds
> like your current service providers hasn't deployed/productised them. Given
> your investment in BroadWorks, I'd look at BroadCloud or other BroadWorks
> providers who may have a different offering.
>
> Cheers,
> Aled.
>
> --
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> Chief Architect, Siphon Networks
> w: www.siphonnetworks.com
> e: a.treha...@siphonnewtorks.com
>
>
> On 1 August 2014 17:52, Shripal Daphtary  wrote:
>
>> that's right. However last I heard the cost per seat with full flow
>> through provisioning with auto ordering of hardware through netx and did
>> allocation is pretty expensive compared to the other wholesale players out
>> there.
>>
>> Also becAuse it is a turnkey solution there are a lot of folks who would
>> find it too inflexible if they want to add custom items that are not in the
>> broadsoft/works/cloud ecosystem.
>>
>> Shripal
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>>
>> Awesome, and Broadsoft does all the work for the setup? They build the
>> device templates, email server for voicemail, updates, and all the other
>> stuff that I am paying our wholesaler for right now?
>>
>> !
>> Seems Genband, Meta, and Broadsoft are the three big players in this
>> space. Has anyone compared the platforms feature wise? I beleive Broadsoft
>> is the king as far as features go, but I could be wrong as I have never
>> seen Meta or Genband's interface.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Shripal Daphtary 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's the whole thing. Uc one and broadworks.

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Aled Treharne]

Hi guys,

Disclosure: We're an European ditributor/systems integrator who sell
Broadsoft software and deploy it (along with Acme Packet SBCs and other
systems), as well as being a BroadCloud PBX reseller and a Broadsoft PS
partner. We're also the EU BroadCloud PBX CPE partner through our VCOMM
brand.

So just to tie up some of the terminology because there seems to be some
confusion around this:

BroadSoft - the company
BroadWorks - the software that BroadSoft write
BroadCloud - a cloud deployment of BroadWorks wrapped with a BSS/OSS system
operated by BroadSoft. It includes a series of products (e.g. IM&P, SMS,
PacketSmart, PBX) some of which can be used by BroadWorks customers (e.g.
SMS and IM&P) and some of which offer an alternative to buying BroadWorks.
BroadTouch - a brand for a group of clients written by BroadSoft integrated
with BroadWorks and available on BroadCloud
UC One - a branded bundle of BroadTouch software and BroadWorks services
that provides a specific user experience

It's possible and feasible to see small deployments of Broadworks (upwards
of 1k subscribers) and we have large enterprises who use it internally
(circa 3.5k subs) and smallish ITSPs (1-5k subs) who provide either direct
or wholesale offerings to their customers. I'm not going to put a sales
pitch on here, that isn't what this list is, but come and talk to us if you
want to know how we do this.

BroadCloud has a very specific target market - it's designed to be a
"standardised" deployment of BroadWorks coupled with Rialto, a "quote to
cash" provisioning system (Broadsoft's marketing material). If you want a
flexible platform that you can use to provide a different product to other
BSFT customers out there, you need your own BWKS deployment and will
probably need a few things around it as well including SBCs and other 3rd
party products to complete your offering. If on the other hand, you are
willing to give up some of that flexibility or can't put up the CapEx, then
BroadCloud allows you provide a BroadWorks-based offering to your
customers. It was designed originally for large Tier 1s who would spend
18-36 months deciding on product options, deploying systems, building teams
of people to manage it, etc. BroadSoft can get you operational on
BroadCloud in 90 days.

BroadCloud PBX allows you to bring your own PSTN interconnects to the
product and still own the numbers and minutes, or enter into an agreement
with specific partners who have already integrated with the platform.

Connor - the features you listed are available in BroadWorks but it sounds
like your current service providers hasn't deployed/productised them. Given
your investment in BroadWorks, I'd look at BroadCloud or other BroadWorks
providers who may have a different offering.

Cheers,
Aled.

-- 
Aled Treharne
Chief Architect, Siphon Networks
w: www.siphonnetworks.com
e: a.treha...@siphonnewtorks.com


On 1 August 2014 17:52, Shripal Daphtary  wrote:

> that's right. However last I heard the cost per seat with full flow
> through provisioning with auto ordering of hardware through netx and did
> allocation is pretty expensive compared to the other wholesale players out
> there.
>
> Also becAuse it is a turnkey solution there are a lot of folks who would
> find it too inflexible if they want to add custom items that are not in the
> broadsoft/works/cloud ecosystem.
>
> Shripal
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>
> Awesome, and Broadsoft does all the work for the setup? They build the
> device templates, email server for voicemail, updates, and all the other
> stuff that I am paying our wholesaler for right now?
>
> !
> Seems Genband, Meta, and Broadsoft are the three big players in this
> space. Has anyone compared the platforms feature wise? I beleive Broadsoft
> is the king as far as features go, but I could be wrong as I have never
> seen Meta or Genband's interface.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Shripal Daphtary 
> wrote:
>
>> It's the whole thing. Uc one and broadworks. GENBAND also has a cloud
>> platform for service providers they just launched.
>>
>> Shripal
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>>
>> But does Broadcloud include hosted Broadworks hosted by Broadsoft? It was
>> my understanding that Broadcloud is just the UC-One and texing element
>> hosted by Broadsoft, but not Broadworks.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alex Hardie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The BroadCloud service is available for carriers as well - given most of
>>> the time they can't get out of their own way it is a way to help them move
>>> quicker.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Pete E  wrote:
>>>
>>> They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes
>>> them a competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue
>>> with it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Shripal Daphtary]

It's the whole thing. Uc one and broadworks. GENBAND also has a cloud platform 
for service providers they just launched. 

Shripal

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> But does Broadcloud include hosted Broadworks hosted by Broadsoft? It was my 
> understanding that Broadcloud is just the UC-One and texing element hosted by 
> Broadsoft, but not Broadworks. 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alex Hardie  wrote:
>> The BroadCloud service is available for carriers as well - given most of the 
>> time they can't get out of their own way it is a way to help them move 
>> quicker.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Pete E  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes them a 
>>> competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue with 
>>> it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor  
 wrote:
 Peter,
 
 Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service 
 providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase? 
 
 
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:
>> On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
> 
>> Max,
>> 
>> No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label 
>> solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't 
>> implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, 
>> or Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that 
>> our clients use and would notice are gone if we moved away from 
>> Broadsoft are really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything 
>> else I think all the other platforms do.
>> 
>> We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much 
>> and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a 
>> Broadsoft server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 
>> server, and and a whole slew of other software and hardware not from 
>> Broadsoft just to have a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service 
>> provider oriented white label solution works well for our business plan.
>> 
>> Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar to 
>> WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier 
>> rankings.
> 
> Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile 
> handsets into extensions.
> 
> Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start 
> offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to be 
> stitched together.
> 
> You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be: does 
> it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity, volume, 
> usage, etc.
> 
> That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what they 
> need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one 
> interface).  It might be software integration. It might be that most of 
> your customers just want key system emulation.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
> Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
> (813) 963-5884
> 
> Have you read my blog about telecom?  
> http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-rads-radar/
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Michael Sterl]

Broadsoft offers their Cloud PBX (broadcloud) which allows you to sell all
of their hosted pbx services. UC One is really a "bundle" that is was
created using BTBC (soft client) and a Premium seat. This is all available
through the broadcloud Cloud PBX offering today.


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> But does Broadcloud include hosted Broadworks hosted by Broadsoft? It was
> my understanding that Broadcloud is just the UC-One and texing element
> hosted by Broadsoft, but not Broadworks.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alex Hardie 
> wrote:
>
>> The BroadCloud service is available for carriers as well - given most of
>> the time they can't get out of their own way it is a way to help them move
>> quicker.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Pete E  wrote:
>>
>> They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes them
>> a competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue with
>> it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service
>>> providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:
>>>
 On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

> Max,
>
> No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label
> solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't
> implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, 
> or
> Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that our
> clients use and would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are
> really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I think all 
> the
> other platforms do.
>
> We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much
> and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a Broadsoft
> server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 server, and 
> and
> a whole slew of other software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to 
> have
> a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider oriented white
> label solution works well for our business plan.
>
> Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar
> to WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier
> rankings.
>
>
 Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile
 handsets into extensions.

 Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start
 offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to be
 stitched together.

 You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be:
 does it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity,
 volume, usage, etc.

 That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what
 they need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one
 interface).  It might be software integration. It might be that most of
 your customers just want key system emulation.

 Regards,

 Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
 Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
 (813) 963-5884

 Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-
 rads-radar/


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Max Clark]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:

> So just to confirm BroadCloud is Broadsoft's own white labeled, hosted,
> Broadsoft offering? We won't have to purchase any hardware or software to
> make this solution work, and its sold monthly per seat I assume? Can you
> bring your own minutes and numbers with this service? Any idea on monthly
> minimums and set up fees?
>
> Are there such thing as Metaswitch white label wholesalers? I know there
> are tons of Broadsoft wholesales, but I haven't heard on any metaswitch
> wholesalers. How does Metaswitch compare to Broadsoft feature wise?
>

So yes and yes, you should be prepared for a mid 5 digit to low 6 digit
implementation on either platform.
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Shripal Daphtary]

that's right. However last I heard the cost per seat with full flow through 
provisioning with auto ordering of hardware through netx and did allocation is 
pretty expensive compared to the other wholesale players out there. 

Also becAuse it is a turnkey solution there are a lot of folks who would find 
it too inflexible if they want to add custom items that are not in the 
broadsoft/works/cloud ecosystem. 

Shripal

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> Awesome, and Broadsoft does all the work for the setup? They build the device 
> templates, email server for voicemail, updates, and all the other stuff that 
> I am paying our wholesaler for right now? 
> 
> Seems Genband, Meta, and Broadsoft are the three big players in this space. 
> Has anyone compared the platforms feature wise? I beleive Broadsoft is the 
> king as far as features go, but I could be wrong as I have never seen Meta or 
> Genband's interface. 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Shripal Daphtary  wrote:
>> It's the whole thing. Uc one and broadworks. GENBAND also has a cloud 
>> platform for service providers they just launched. 
>> 
>> Shripal
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But does Broadcloud include hosted Broadworks hosted by Broadsoft? It was 
>>> my understanding that Broadcloud is just the UC-One and texing element 
>>> hosted by Broadsoft, but not Broadworks. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alex Hardie  wrote:
 The BroadCloud service is available for carriers as well - given most of 
 the time they can't get out of their own way it is a way to help them move 
 quicker.
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Pete E  wrote:
> 
> They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes them 
> a competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue 
> with it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor  
>> wrote:
>> Peter,
>> 
>> Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service 
>> providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase? 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:
 On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>> 
 Max,
 
 No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label 
 solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't 
 implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with 
 Callthrough, or Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft 
 features that our clients use and would notice are gone if we moved 
 away from Broadsoft are really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. 
 Everything else I think all the other platforms do.
 
 We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much 
 and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a 
 Broadsoft server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 
 server, and and a whole slew of other software and hardware not from 
 Broadsoft just to have a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, 
 service provider oriented white label solution works well for our 
 business plan.
 
 Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar 
 to WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier 
 rankings.
>>> 
>>> Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile 
>>> handsets into extensions.
>>> 
>>> Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start 
>>> offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to 
>>> be stitched together.
>>> 
>>> You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be: 
>>> does it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity, 
>>> volume, usage, etc.
>>> 
>>> That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what 
>>> they need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one 
>>> interface).  It might be software integration. It might be that most of 
>>> your customers just want key system emulation.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
>>> Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
>>> (813) 963-5884
>>> 
>>> Have you read my blog about telecom?  
>>> http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-rads-radar/
>>> 
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Awesome, and Broadsoft does all the work for the setup? They build the
device templates, email server for voicemail, updates, and all the other
stuff that I am paying our wholesaler for right now?

Seems Genband, Meta, and Broadsoft are the three big players in this space.
Has anyone compared the platforms feature wise? I beleive Broadsoft is the
king as far as features go, but I could be wrong as I have never seen Meta
or Genband's interface.


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Shripal Daphtary 
wrote:

> It's the whole thing. Uc one and broadworks. GENBAND also has a cloud
> platform for service providers they just launched.
>
> Shripal
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>
> But does Broadcloud include hosted Broadworks hosted by Broadsoft? It was
> my understanding that Broadcloud is just the UC-One and texing element
> hosted by Broadsoft, but not Broadworks.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alex Hardie 
> wrote:
>
>> The BroadCloud service is available for carriers as well - given most of
>> the time they can't get out of their own way it is a way to help them move
>> quicker.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Pete E  wrote:
>>
>> They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes them
>> a competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue with
>> it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service
>>> providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:
>>>
 On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

> Max,
>
> No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label
> solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't
> implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, 
> or
> Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that our
> clients use and would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are
> really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I think all 
> the
> other platforms do.
>
> We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much
> and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a Broadsoft
> server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 server, and 
> and
> a whole slew of other software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to 
> have
> a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider oriented white
> label solution works well for our business plan.
>
> Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar
> to WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier
> rankings.
>
>
 Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile
 handsets into extensions.

 Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start
 offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to be
 stitched together.

 You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be:
 does it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity,
 volume, usage, etc.

 That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what
 they need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one
 interface).  It might be software integration. It might be that most of
 your customers just want key system emulation.

 Regards,

 Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
 Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
 (813) 963-5884

 Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-
 rads-radar/


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Alex Hardie]

The BroadCloud service is available for carriers as well - given most of the 
time they can't get out of their own way it is a way to help them move quicker.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Pete E  wrote:
> 
> They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes them a 
> competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue with it. 
> There are plenty of other white labels out there too.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor  
>> wrote:
>> Peter,
>> 
>> Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service 
>> providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase? 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:
 On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>> 
 Max,
 
 No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label 
 solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't 
 implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, 
 or Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that our 
 clients use and would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are 
 really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I think all 
 the other platforms do.
 
 We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much and 
 is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a Broadsoft 
 server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 server, and 
 and a whole slew of other software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to 
 have a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider oriented 
 white label solution works well for our business plan.
 
 Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar to 
 WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier rankings.
>>> 
>>> Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile 
>>> handsets into extensions.
>>> 
>>> Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start offering 
>>> Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to be stitched 
>>> together.
>>> 
>>> You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be: does 
>>> it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity, volume, 
>>> usage, etc.
>>> 
>>> That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what they 
>>> need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one interface). 
>>>  It might be software integration. It might be that most of your customers 
>>> just want key system emulation.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
>>> Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
>>> (813) 963-5884
>>> 
>>> Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-rads-radar/
>>> 
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

But does Broadcloud include hosted Broadworks hosted by Broadsoft? It was
my understanding that Broadcloud is just the UC-One and texing element
hosted by Broadsoft, but not Broadworks.


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alex Hardie  wrote:

> The BroadCloud service is available for carriers as well - given most of
> the time they can't get out of their own way it is a way to help them move
> quicker.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Pete E  wrote:
>
> They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes them
> a competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue with
> it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service
>> providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>>
 Max,

 No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label
 solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't
 implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, or
 Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that our
 clients use and would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are
 really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I think all the
 other platforms do.

 We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much
 and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a Broadsoft
 server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 server, and and
 a whole slew of other software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to have
 a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider oriented white
 label solution works well for our business plan.

 Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar
 to WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier
 rankings.


>>> Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile
>>> handsets into extensions.
>>>
>>> Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start
>>> offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to be
>>> stitched together.
>>>
>>> You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be:
>>> does it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity,
>>> volume, usage, etc.
>>>
>>> That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what they
>>> need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one interface).
>>>  It might be software integration. It might be that most of your customers
>>> just want key system emulation.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
>>> Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
>>> (813) 963-5884
>>>
>>> Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-
>>> rads-radar/
>>>
>>>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Alex,

I completely agree with you. Asterisk is a fine solution if you want to
build and manage it yourself. We tried a couple of open source projects at
first, and I will never go back.

I agree that Broadsoft does have the features I am looking for its just
that our wholesaler hasn't implemented them, and maybe never will.

So just to confirm BroadCloud is Broadsoft's own white labeled, hosted,
Broadsoft offering? We won't have to purchase any hardware or software to
make this solution work, and its sold monthly per seat I assume? Can you
bring your own minutes and numbers with this service? Any idea on monthly
minimums and set up fees?

Are there such thing as Metaswitch white label wholesalers? I know there
are tons of Broadsoft wholesales, but I haven't heard on any metaswitch
wholesalers. How does Metaswitch compare to Broadsoft feature wise?

Our billing system has direct integration with Metaswitch, and will soon
have direct integration with Broadsoft by end of year. So I think sticking
with one of these two would probably be ideal for us.




On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Alexander Hardie 
wrote:

> Asterisk is a fine solution if you have the ability to support it yourself
> - its Open Source - which means you own the support and any product
> development.
>
> Also it depends on your service set - if you are hosted only then that's
> one set of issues - but if you also want to offer SIP trunking with any
> advanced features then Asterisk is not the right move.
>
> The BroadCloud service is white label and can support all the advanced
> services provided by BroadSoft - understand if you want to fully integrate
> with a wireless carrier be prepared to move to an MVNO arrangement - you
> need access to their switch system - its not simply features available on
> BSFT.
>
> Everything Colton mentioned about the white label service he is currently
> on is available on BroadSoft form a feature perspective - there is NO lack
> of features on BroadSoft - just on the vendor providing his white label
> BSFT service.
>
> I recommend either a direct inquiry to BroadSoft / BroadCloud or to the
> wholesaler.  The reason BroadSoft purchase HIPCOM was to enable its
> customers to move faster with new services.
>
> alex hardie | ahar...@bellsouth.net | +1 404 229 7635
>
>
>
>   On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:48 AM, John Curry 
> wrote:
>
>
> We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform
> for less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut
> off customers if they don’t pay you. This is a system you would own in your
> own Colo, not a white label.
>
>
> John
> [image: cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47@hsd1.pa.comcast.net.]
>
> 322 Mall Blvd., # 190
> Monroeville, Pa. 15146
> Phone 412.307.3600
> VFax   412.380.8701
>
> “*People say nothing is impossible*, but I do nothing every day.” ― A.A.
> Milne
>
> *From:* Max Clark [mailto:max.cl...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM
> *To:* John
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
> Broadsoft
>
> That's excellent. You should tell Colton.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John  wrote:
>
> We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform
> for less than $40 k
>
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark  wrote:
>
> Colton,
>
> Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your
> own license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant
> investment in your current platform and dumping that investment would
> require an even larger investment in another platform (not counting the
> training, migration, etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic
> platform, but I don't know of any installation running it for less than
> $250k.
>
> I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service
> differentiation, but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using
> Broadsoft because it works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed
> platform you'd still be competing with other providers using that platform.
>
> So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd
> probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint
> for their WMI platform for your mobile needs.
>
> Max
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
> So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides
> Broadsoft:
>
> Metaswitch
> Genband
> *Alianza*
> *NetSapiens*
> *XCast Labs*
> *EnSwitch*
>
> *Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service
> provider gra

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Peter Rad.]

Well, there was a backlash from clients when it happened, but at this 
point BSFT has run out of prospects who will dump $1 million into the 
HPBX game. Since they won't be selling any new BroadWorks instances; 
they have to crank up the end user licensing - and the carriers weren't 
doing that fast enough. So BSFT thought they could do white-label 
better. They are engineers after all.


- Peter @ RAD-INFO


On 8/1/2014 9:30 AM, Pete E wrote:
They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes 
them a competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an 
issue with it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.



On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor > wrote:


Peter,

Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to
service providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase?



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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[j...@intelechoice.us]

Everyone's welcome to their own opinion. I would venture to say 99% of VoIP is 
on some type of asterisk platform.

John
InteleChoice.us
322 Mall Blvd 190
Monroeville, Pa 15146

Ofc 412.307.3600
eFax 412.380.8701

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Alexander Hardie  wrote:
> 
> Asterisk is a fine solution if you have the ability to support it yourself - 
> its Open Source - which means you own the support and any product 
> development. 
> 
> Also it depends on your service set - if you are hosted only then that's one 
> set of issues - but if you also want to offer SIP trunking with any advanced 
> features then Asterisk is not the right move.
> 
> The BroadCloud service is white label and can support all the advanced 
> services provided by BroadSoft - understand if you want to fully integrate 
> with a wireless carrier be prepared to move to an MVNO arrangement - you need 
> access to their switch system - its not simply features available on BSFT.
> 
> Everything Colton mentioned about the white label service he is currently on 
> is available on BroadSoft form a feature perspective - there is NO lack of 
> features on BroadSoft - just on the vendor providing his white label BSFT 
> service.
> 
> I recommend either a direct inquiry to BroadSoft / BroadCloud or to the 
> wholesaler.  The reason BroadSoft purchase HIPCOM was to enable its customers 
> to move faster with new services.
> 
> alex hardie | ahar...@bellsouth.net | +1 404 229 7635
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:48 AM, John Curry  wrote:
> 
> 
> We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for 
> less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut off 
> customers if they don’t pay you. This is a system you would own in your own 
> Colo, not a white label.
>  
>  
> John
> 
> 
> 322 Mall Blvd., # 190
> Monroeville, Pa. 15146
> Phone 412.307.3600
> VFax   412.380.8701
>  
> “People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.” ― A.A. Milne
>  
> From: Max Clark [mailto:max.cl...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM
> To: John
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft
>  
> That's excellent. You should tell Colton. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John  wrote:
> We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for 
> less than $40 k
> 
> On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark  wrote:
> Colton,
>  
> Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your own 
> license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant investment 
> in your current platform and dumping that investment would require an even 
> larger investment in another platform (not counting the training, migration, 
> etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic platform, but I don't know of 
> any installation running it for less than $250k.
>  
> I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation, 
> but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it 
> works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be 
> competing with other providers using that platform.
>  
> So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd 
> probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint 
> for their WMI platform for your mobile needs.
>  
> Max
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides 
> Broadsoft:
>  
> Metaswitch
> Genband
> Alianza
> NetSapiens
> XCast Labs
> EnSwitch
>  
> Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider 
> grade offering the multi tenant functionality, and management features. 
>  
>  
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson  wrote:
> As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
> pretty slick there..
> 
> No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
> Accession supports XMPP)..
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> > To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
> > following:
> > A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates
> > Integrated SMS Functionality
> > Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your
> > cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use
> > Bria!
> > All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
> > Advance

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Pete E]

They do. It seemed like a conflict of interests, given that it makes them a
competitor to their own customers, but so far we've not had an issue with
it. There are plenty of other white labels out there too.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service
> providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase?
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>
>>> Max,
>>>
>>> No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label
>>> solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't
>>> implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, or
>>> Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that our
>>> clients use and would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are
>>> really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I think all the
>>> other platforms do.
>>>
>>> We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much
>>> and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a Broadsoft
>>> server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 server, and and
>>> a whole slew of other software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to have
>>> a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider oriented white
>>> label solution works well for our business plan.
>>>
>>> Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar to
>>> WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier rankings.
>>>
>>>
>> Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile
>> handsets into extensions.
>>
>> Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start
>> offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to be
>> stitched together.
>>
>> You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be: does
>> it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity, volume,
>> usage, etc.
>>
>> That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what they
>> need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one interface).
>>  It might be software integration. It might be that most of your customers
>> just want key system emulation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
>> Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
>> (813) 963-5884
>>
>> Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-
>> rads-radar/
>>
>>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Alexander Hardie]

Asterisk is a fine solution if you have the ability to support it yourself - 
its Open Source - which means you own the support and any product development.  

Also it depends on your service set - if you are hosted only then that's one 
set of issues - but if you also want to offer SIP trunking with any advanced 
features then Asterisk is not the right move.

The BroadCloud service is white label and can support all the advanced services 
provided by BroadSoft - understand if you want to fully integrate with a 
wireless carrier be prepared to move to an MVNO arrangement - you need access 
to their switch system - its not simply features available on BSFT.

Everything Colton mentioned about the white label service he is currently on is 
available on BroadSoft form a feature perspective - there is NO lack of 
features on BroadSoft - just on the vendor providing his white label BSFT 
service.

I recommend either a direct inquiry to BroadSoft / BroadCloud or to the 
wholesaler.  The reason BroadSoft purchase HIPCOM was to enable its customers 
to move faster with new services. 
alex hardie | ahar...@bellsouth.net | +1 404 229 7635
 


On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:48 AM, John Curry  wrote:
  


We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for 
less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut off 
customers if they don’t pay you. This is a system you would own in your own 
Colo, not a white label.
 
 
John


322 Mall Blvd., # 190
Monroeville, Pa. 15146
Phone     412.307.3600
VFax   412.380.8701
 
“People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.” ― A.A. Milne
 
From:Max Clark [mailto:max.cl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM
To: John
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft
 
That's excellent. You should tell Colton. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John  wrote:
We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for 
less than $40 k
>
>On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark  wrote:
>Colton,
>> 
>>Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your own 
>>license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant investment 
>>in your current platform and dumping that investment would require an even 
>>larger investment in another platform (not counting the training, migration, 
>>etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic platform, but I don't know of 
>>any installation running it for less than $250k.
>> 
>>I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation, 
>>but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it 
>>works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be 
>>competing with other providers using that platform.
>> 
>>So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd 
>>probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint 
>>for their WMI platform for your mobile needs.
>> 
>>Max
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>>So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides 
>>Broadsoft:
>> 
>>Metaswitch
>>Genband
>>Alianza
>>NetSapiens
>>XCast Labs
>>EnSwitch
>> 
>>Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider 
>>grade offering the multi tenant functionality, and management features. 
>> 
>> 
>>On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson  wrote:
>>As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
>>pretty slick there..
>>
>>No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
>>Accession supports XMPP)..
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>>> To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
>>> following:
>>> A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates
>>> Integrated SMS Functionality
>>> Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your
>>> cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use
>>> Bria!
>>> All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
>>> Advanced fraud detection!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
>>>> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
>>>> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft off

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[John Curry]

We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for 
less than $40 k. It will do SIP Trunking and Hosted. Automatically shut off 
customers if they don’t pay you. This is a system you would own in your own 
Colo, not a white label.

 

 

John
cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47@hsd1.pa.comcast.net.


322 Mall Blvd., # 190

Monroeville, Pa. 15146

Phone 412.307.3600

VFax   412.380.8701

 

“People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.” ― A.A. Milne

 

From: Max Clark [mailto:max.cl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:37 PM
To: John
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

 

That's excellent. You should tell Colton. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:34 PM, John  wrote:

We can set up a 100 concurrent redundant asterisk with a billing platform for 
less than $40 k


On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Max Clark  wrote:

Colton,

 

Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your own 
license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant investment in 
your current platform and dumping that investment would require an even larger 
investment in another platform (not counting the training, migration, etc...). 
Metaswitch for example is a fantastic platform, but I don't know of any 
installation running it for less than $250k.

 

I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation, but 
I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it works, 
and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be competing with 
other providers using that platform.

 

So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd probably 
be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint for their WMI 
platform for your mobile needs.

 

Max

 

 

 

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:

So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides Broadsoft:

 

Metaswitch

Genband

Alianza

NetSapiens

XCast Labs

EnSwitch

 

Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider 
grade offering the multi tenant functionality, and management features. 

 

 

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson  wrote:

As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
pretty slick there..

No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
Accession supports XMPP)..




On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
> following:
> A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates
> Integrated SMS Functionality
> Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your
> cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use
> Bria!
> All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
> Advanced fraud detection!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>>
>> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
>> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
>> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
>> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there
>> are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
>> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
>> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>>
>> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
>> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
>> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
>> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
>> smartphone.
>>
>> What commercial solutions are there?
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Peter,

Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to service
providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase?


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad.  wrote:

> On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label
>> solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't
>> implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, or
>> Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that our
>> clients use and would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are
>> really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I think all the
>> other platforms do.
>>
>> We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much and
>> is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a Broadsoft
>> server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 server, and and
>> a whole slew of other software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to have
>> a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider oriented white
>> label solution works well for our business plan.
>>
>> Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar to
>> WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier rankings.
>>
>>
> Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile
> handsets into extensions.
>
> Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start offering
> Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to be stitched
> together.
>
> You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be: does
> it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity, volume,
> usage, etc.
>
> That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what they
> need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one interface).
>  It might be software integration. It might be that most of your customers
> just want key system emulation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
> Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
> (813) 963-5884
>
> Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-
> rads-radar/
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Peter Rad.]

When they acquired HIPCOM in the UK, they gained a white-label service. 
I am assuming it is available in the US. Their BroadCloud offering is 
all white-label.  You could get UC-One and other components 
white-labeled from BSFT (see 
http://www.ucstrategies.com/news-analysis/broadsoft-introduces-broadcloud-rcs.aspx) 






On 7/31/2014 10:59 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

Peter,

Are you saying that Broadsoft now offers hosted white labeled to 
service providers without the requirements of hardware or purchase?



On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Peter Rad. > wrote:


On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

Max,

No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white
label solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the
wholesaler hasn't implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow,
Mobilelink with Callthrough, or Sprint WMI integration. So
they only sticky Broadsoft features that our clients use and
would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are
really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I
think all the other platforms do.

We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost
too much and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so
much on a Broadsoft server, and then you must get an Acme
Packet, external pop3 server, and and a whole slew of other
software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to have a
complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider
oriented white label solution works well for our business plan.

Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution
similar to WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead
last in carrier rankings.


Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn
mobile handsets into extensions.

Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start
offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that
have to be stitched together.

You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will
be: does it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on
quantity, volume, usage, etc.

That said, you should survey your current customer base to see
what they need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc.
in one interface).  It might be software integration. It might be
that most of your customers just want key system emulation.

Regards,

Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
(813) 963-5884 

Have you read my blog about telecom?
http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-rads-radar/


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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Ryan Finnesey]

We get lots of requests for hosted Lync

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Peter Rad.<mailto:pe...@4isps.com>
Sent: ‎7/‎31/‎2014 10:55 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
> Max,
>
> No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label
> solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't
> implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with
> Callthrough, or Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft
> features that our clients use and would notice are gone if we moved
> away from Broadsoft are really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere.
> Everything else I think all the other platforms do.
>
> We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much
> and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a
> Broadsoft server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3
> server, and and a whole slew of other software and hardware not from
> Broadsoft just to have a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted,
> service provider oriented white label solution works well for our
> business plan.
>
> Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar
> to WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier
> rankings.
>

Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile
handsets into extensions.

Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start
offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to
be stitched together.

You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be:
does it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity,
volume, usage, etc.

That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what they
need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one
interface).  It might be software integration. It might be that most of
your customers just want key system emulation.

Regards,

Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
(813) 963-5884

Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-rads-radar/

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Peter Rad.]

On 7/31/2014 8:57 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

Max,

No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label 
solution from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't 
implemented UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with 
Callthrough, or Sprint WMI integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft 
features that our clients use and would notice are gone if we moved 
away from Broadsoft are really the toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. 
Everything else I think all the other platforms do.


We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much 
and is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a 
Broadsoft server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 
server, and and a whole slew of other software and hardware not from 
Broadsoft just to have a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, 
service provider oriented white label solution works well for our 
business plan.


Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar 
to WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier 
rankings.




Sprint is the only one that integrates with a softswitch to turn mobile 
handsets into extensions.


Everyone thinks that it is easy to spin up a softswitch and start 
offering Hosted UC. There are so freaking many components that have to 
be stitched together.


You can stitch together a BSFT replacement but the question will be: 
does it scale and is it stable? That question all depends on quantity, 
volume, usage, etc.


That said, you should survey your current customer base to see what they 
need. It might not be unified messaging (chat, SMS, etc. in one 
interface).  It might be software integration. It might be that most of 
your customers just want key system emulation.


Regards,

Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO INC
Circuits * Bandwidth * Consulting
(813) 963-5884

Have you read my blog about telecom?  http://blog.tmcnet.com/on-rads-radar/

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Max,

No, we don't have our own Broadsoft platform we have a white label solution
from a wholesaler. With that being said the wholesaler hasn't implemented
UC-One, SMS through MessageNow, Mobilelink with Callthrough, or Sprint WMI
integration. So they only sticky Broadsoft features that our clients use
and would notice are gone if we moved away from Broadsoft are really the
toolbar and Broadworks Anywhere. Everything else I think all the other
platforms do.

We have looked at buying our own Broadsoft, but it just cost too much and
is too complex. It amazes me how you can spend so much on a Broadsoft
server, and then you must get an Acme Packet, external pop3 server, and and
a whole slew of other software and hardware not from Broadsoft just to have
a complete Broadsoft solution. A hosted, service provider oriented white
label solution works well for our business plan.

Does any of the other carriers besides Sprint have a solution similar to
WMI? The WMI solution is neat, but Sprint is dead last in carrier rankings.







On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Max Clark  wrote:

> Colton,
>
> Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your
> own license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant
> investment in your current platform and dumping that investment would
> require an even larger investment in another platform (not counting the
> training, migration, etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic
> platform, but I don't know of any installation running it for less than
> $250k.
>
> I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service
> differentiation, but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using
> Broadsoft because it works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed
> platform you'd still be competing with other providers using that platform.
>
> So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd
> probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint
> for their WMI platform for your mobile needs.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>
>> So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides
>> Broadsoft:
>>
>> Metaswitch
>> Genband
>> Alianza
>> *NetSapiens*
>> *XCast Labs*
>> *EnSwitch*
>>
>> *Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service
>> provider grade offering the multi tenant functionality,
>> and management features. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
>>> pretty slick there..
>>>
>>> No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
>>> Accession supports XMPP)..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>> > To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
>>> > following:
>>> > A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware
>>> updates
>>> > Integrated SMS Functionality
>>> > Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of
>>> your
>>> > cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform
>>> can use
>>> > Bria!
>>> > All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
>>> > Advanced fraud detection!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx
>>> systems
>>> >> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
>>> >> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact
>>> that it
>>> >> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features,
>>> and there
>>> >> are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
>>> >> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local
>>> providers
>>> >> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>>> >>
>>> >> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the
>>> mobile
>>> >> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key
>>> for us.
>>> >> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
>>> >> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on
>>> a
>>> >> smartphone.
>>> >>
>>> >> What commercial solutions are there?
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Max Clark]

Colton,

Are you on a hosted/white label Broadsoft installation or do you own your
own license? I'm curious because I assume that you have a significant
investment in your current platform and dumping that investment would
require an even larger investment in another platform (not counting the
training, migration, etc...). Metaswitch for example is a fantastic
platform, but I don't know of any installation running it for less than
$250k.

I get the idea of switching from Broadsoft to have service differentiation,
but I'd counter with two points. 1) Everyone is using Broadsoft because it
works, and 2) if you switch to another licensed platform you'd still be
competing with other providers using that platform.

So if you are really looking for a unique one of a kind platform you'd
probably be better served by rolling your own and partnering/paying Sprint
for their WMI platform for your mobile needs.

Max




On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides
> Broadsoft:
>
> Metaswitch
> Genband
> Alianza
> *NetSapiens*
> *XCast Labs*
> *EnSwitch*
>
> *Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service
> provider grade offering the multi tenant functionality,
> and management features. *
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson 
> wrote:
>
>> As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
>> pretty slick there..
>>
>> No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
>> Accession supports XMPP)..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor 
>> wrote:
>> > To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
>> > following:
>> > A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware
>> updates
>> > Integrated SMS Functionality
>> > Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of
>> your
>> > cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform
>> can use
>> > Bria!
>> > All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
>> > Advanced fraud detection!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx
>> systems
>> >> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
>> >> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that
>> it
>> >> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
>> there
>> >> are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
>> >> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local
>> providers
>> >> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>> >>
>> >> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
>> >> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key
>> for us.
>> >> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
>> >> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
>> >> smartphone.
>> >>
>> >> What commercial solutions are there?
>> >
>> >
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jay Stewart]

Good point Paul, these are all things you have to consider if you are migrating 
UC.

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From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Paul Timmins
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:04 AM
To: Colton Conor
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

The only problems I've had are in low tower density areas where the RSSI of the 
data gets too low to be useful before handoff (cell calls work better with weak 
signals than data does). In heavy coverage areas (cities/etc) I haven't really 
seen that.

On Thu, 07/31/2014 09:28 AM, Colton Conor 
mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So I agree that you IP address might not change jumping from tower to tower 
when driving, but isn't there a delay from jumping from tower to tower with 
data? I know GSM/CDMA has voice handoffs timeframes timed in the ms mark, so 
the user never hears/notices that they jumped from one tower to another. But I 
was under the impression that data connections don't jump as fast? Kind of like 
then you go from a 3G to 4G area. It takes your phone a second or two to switch 
technologies. A second or 2 of loss is too long in a voice call conversations 
using SIP over data.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Paul Timmins 
mailto:p...@timmins.net>> wrote:
I've used mobile data heavily since 2002. And I've never seen it switch IPs 
based on towers. The only time I see it change (other than while roaming) is 
usually if you go from 1xRTT to 3G, or 3G to 4G (and that last part varies 
depending on whether you're using 3G in a 4G enabled area, which doesn't 
typically switch IPs) (that's CDMA centric, but my experience was similar with 
GSM (CSD/EDGE/HSDPA/LTE). Of course, Nextel's packetstream service never 
changed IPs (in mid session, anyway) for the most part that I can remember, but 
that was 12 years ago and who knows, my memory could be fuzzy here. I think 
they actually would end up changing IPs if you roamed to a different nextel 
region (there were several that I can recall)

I have had very few problems maintaining long term data connections over 
cellular networks over the years, at least not ones related to something other 
than signal reception or changes in what region of the network you were in, or 
what access technology was being used by the handset or device).

-Paul


On 07/30/2014 04:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
Jay,

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call 
through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far. 
Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message Now 
application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?

I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones don't 
work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump between towers 
when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard some Broadsoft 
providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart 
mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>> wrote:
Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator Solution 
(BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop effectively and 
still deliver an application rich technology.  They also support Mobile Link 
integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC 
One solution.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: VoiceOps 
[mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org>] On 
Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on 
the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like 
the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, 
they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft 
competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than 
Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.

We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. 
The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's 
of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people 
understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.

What commercial solutions are there?




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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jay Stewart]

It can be delayed, and when it happened you experience dropped packets which is 
choppy audio and drop outs momentarily.

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From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:28 AM
To: Paul Timmins
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

So I agree that you IP address might not change jumping from tower to tower 
when driving, but isn't there a delay from jumping from tower to tower with 
data? I know GSM/CDMA has voice handoffs timeframes timed in the ms mark, so 
the user never hears/notices that they jumped from one tower to another. But I 
was under the impression that data connections don't jump as fast? Kind of like 
then you go from a 3G to 4G area. It takes your phone a second or two to switch 
technologies. A second or 2 of loss is too long in a voice call conversations 
using SIP over data.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Paul Timmins 
mailto:p...@timmins.net>> wrote:
I've used mobile data heavily since 2002. And I've never seen it switch IPs 
based on towers. The only time I see it change (other than while roaming) is 
usually if you go from 1xRTT to 3G, or 3G to 4G (and that last part varies 
depending on whether you're using 3G in a 4G enabled area, which doesn't 
typically switch IPs) (that's CDMA centric, but my experience was similar with 
GSM (CSD/EDGE/HSDPA/LTE). Of course, Nextel's packetstream service never 
changed IPs (in mid session, anyway) for the most part that I can remember, but 
that was 12 years ago and who knows, my memory could be fuzzy here. I think 
they actually would end up changing IPs if you roamed to a different nextel 
region (there were several that I can recall)

I have had very few problems maintaining long term data connections over 
cellular networks over the years, at least not ones related to something other 
than signal reception or changes in what region of the network you were in, or 
what access technology was being used by the handset or device).

-Paul


On 07/30/2014 04:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
Jay,

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call 
through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far. 
Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message Now 
application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?

I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones don't 
work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump between towers 
when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard some Broadsoft 
providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart 
mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>> wrote:
Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator Solution 
(BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop effectively and 
still deliver an application rich technology.  They also support Mobile Link 
integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC 
One solution.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | 
jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: VoiceOps 
[mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org>] On 
Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on 
the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like 
the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, 
they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft 
competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than 
Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.

We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. 
The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's 
of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people 
understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.

What commercial solutions are there?



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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jay Stewart]

For lack of better terms you re correct, a re-transmission based on TCP.  So it 
established a new path.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Paul Timmins
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:41 PM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

I've used mobile data heavily since 2002. And I've never seen it switch IPs 
based on towers. The only time I see it change (other than while roaming) is 
usually if you go from 1xRTT to 3G, or 3G to 4G (and that last part varies 
depending on whether you're using 3G in a 4G enabled area, which doesn't 
typically switch IPs) (that's CDMA centric, but my experience was similar with 
GSM (CSD/EDGE/HSDPA/LTE). Of course, Nextel's packetstream service never 
changed IPs (in mid session, anyway) for the most part that I can remember, but 
that was 12 years ago and who knows, my memory could be fuzzy here. I think 
they actually would end up changing IPs if you roamed to a different nextel 
region (there were several that I can recall)

I have had very few problems maintaining long term data connections over 
cellular networks over the years, at least not ones related to something other 
than signal reception or changes in what region of the network you were in, or 
what access technology was being used by the handset or device).

-Paul

On 07/30/2014 04:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
Jay,

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call 
through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far. 
Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message Now 
application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?

I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones don't 
work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump between towers 
when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard some Broadsoft 
providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart 
mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>> wrote:
Have you tried BroadSoft's UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator Solution 
(BTBC).  I don't know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop effectively and 
still deliver an application rich technology.  They also support Mobile Link 
integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC 
One solution.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | 
jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: VoiceOps 
[mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org>] On 
Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on 
the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like 
the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, 
they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft 
competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than 
Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.

We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. 
The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's 
of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people 
understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.

What commercial solutions are there?





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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Paul Timmins]

The only problems I've had are in low tower density areas where the RSSI of the 
data gets too low to be useful before handoff (cell calls work better with weak 
signals than data does). In heavy coverage areas (cities/etc) I haven't really 
seen that.

On Thu, 07/31/2014 09:28 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> So I agree that you IP address might not change jumping from tower to tower 
> when driving, but isn't there a delay from jumping from tower to tower with 
> data? I know GSM/CDMA has voice handoffs timeframes timed in the ms mark, so 
> the user never hears/notices that they jumped from one tower to another. But 
> I was under the impression that data connections don't jump as fast? Kind of 
> like then you go from a 3G to 4G area. It takes your phone a second or two to 
> switch technologies. A second or 2 of loss is too long in a voice call 
> conversations using SIP over data. 

> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Paul Timmins  wrote:
> > 

  

  
  
I've used mobile data heavily since
  2002. And I've never seen it switch IPs based on towers. The only
  time I see it change (other than while roaming) is usually if you
  go from 1xRTT to 3G, or 3G to 4G (and that last part varies
  depending on whether you're using 3G in a 4G enabled area, which
  doesn't typically switch IPs) (that's CDMA centric, but my
  experience was similar with GSM (CSD/EDGE/HSDPA/LTE). Of course,
  Nextel's packetstream service never changed IPs (in mid session,
  anyway) for the most part that I can remember, but that was 12
  years ago and who knows, my memory could be fuzzy here. I think
  they actually would end up changing IPs if you roamed to a
  different nextel region (there were several that I can recall)
> 
  
> 
  I have had very few problems maintaining long term data
  connections over cellular networks over the years, at least not
  ones related to something other than signal reception or changes
  in what region of the network you were in, or what access
  technology was being used by the handset or device).
> 
  
> 
  -Paul
> 
  
> 
  On 07/30/2014 04:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
> 

> 
  Jay,

> 

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't
  support call through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we
  find it limiting so far. Correct me if I am wrong but SMS
  though Broadsoft is still done the Message Now application
  that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?

> 

I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on
  smartphones don't work well especially when traveling.
  Cellular voice calls jump between towers when traveling in a
  call, but data does not. I have heard some Broadsoft providers
  have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.  
  
  
> 

> 
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay
  Stewart 
  wrote:
> 
  > 

  
Have
you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business
Communicator Solution (BTBC).  I don’t know of ones
that can top Mobile & Desktop effectively and
still deliver an application rich technology.  They
also support Mobile Link integrating the cell phone
service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC
One solution.

 

Jay
Stewart

NextOS
Sr. Systems Administrator

(480)
  426-0099 |
jstew...@nextiva.com

8800
E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

 

From:
VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org]
On Behalf Of Colton Conor
> 
    Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
> 
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
> 
Subject: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial
Softswitch Besides Broadsoft


   

  
What carrier and service
  provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
  are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use
  a Broadsoft solution today. We like the redundancy
  that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just
  works. However, they are starting to seriously
  lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft
   

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

So I agree that you IP address might not change jumping from tower to tower
when driving, but isn't there a delay from jumping from tower to tower with
data? I know GSM/CDMA has voice handoffs timeframes timed in the ms mark,
so the user never hears/notices that they jumped from one tower to another.
But I was under the impression that data connections don't jump as fast?
Kind of like then you go from a 3G to 4G area. It takes your phone a second
or two to switch technologies. A second or 2 of loss is too long in a voice
call conversations using SIP over data.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Paul Timmins  wrote:

>  I've used mobile data heavily since 2002. And I've never seen it switch
> IPs based on towers. The only time I see it change (other than while
> roaming) is usually if you go from 1xRTT to 3G, or 3G to 4G (and that last
> part varies depending on whether you're using 3G in a 4G enabled area,
> which doesn't typically switch IPs) (that's CDMA centric, but my experience
> was similar with GSM (CSD/EDGE/HSDPA/LTE). Of course, Nextel's packetstream
> service never changed IPs (in mid session, anyway) for the most part that I
> can remember, but that was 12 years ago and who knows, my memory could be
> fuzzy here. I think they actually would end up changing IPs if you roamed
> to a different nextel region (there were several that I can recall)
>
> I have had very few problems maintaining long term data connections over
> cellular networks over the years, at least not ones related to something
> other than signal reception or changes in what region of the network you
> were in, or what access technology was being used by the handset or device).
>
> -Paul
>
>
> On 07/30/2014 04:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>
> Jay,
>
>  Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call
> through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far.
> Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message
> Now application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?
>
>  I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones
> don't work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump
> between towers when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard
> some Broadsoft providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart  wrote:
>
>>  Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator
>> Solution (BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop
>> effectively and still deliver an application rich technology.  They also
>> support Mobile Link integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We
>> have deployed he full UC One solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jay Stewart
>>
>> NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
>>
>> (480) 426-0099 <%28480%29%20426-0099> | jstew...@nextiva.com
>>
>> 8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Colton
>> Conor
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
>> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
>> *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
>> Broadsoft
>>
>>
>>
>> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
>> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
>> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
>> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
>> there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
>> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
>> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
>> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
>> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
>> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
>> smartphone.
>>
>>
>>
>> What commercial solutions are there?
>>
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Jay,

So what is the difference between BroadTouch and BroadCloud? I know what
Broadworks is.

So you are saying that data connections are maintained and do jump between
cell towers? So if am traveling 70MPH down the road using a softphone like
BTBC that use the data connection I won't have the call drop? I know cell
minutes jump between towers because I have traveled in a truck for hours at
a time on a cell phone and the call has not dropped. I have heard that only
cell minutes not data jumps.

What makes the new version 20 of the BTBC client do this successfully?
Also, whey does Broadsoft have so many versions listed in the Google Play
store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=BroadSoft,+Inc.&hl=en
Are the first four apps the same thing just different versions? I assume
2015 is the latest?

MobileLink looks great to make outbound calls using cellular minutes with
your Broadworks number. Does MobileLink do anything for inbound calls from
Broadworks? Are you just supposed to use Broadworks Anywhere with answer
confirmation for inbound to mobile?


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jay Stewart  wrote:

>  Yes indeed, partial deployment makes it difficult to get all the
> functionality you are looking for.  Yes the SMS is a separate package, but
> the point behind this is BroadSoft has three primary product lines:  1)
> BroadWorks,  2)  BroudTouch, and BroadCloud which have some overlap and
> integration into what they consider the overall UC ONE solution.  SMS is
> part of the BroudTouch product family which includes, Business
> Communicator, Mobile Link and SMS.
>
>
>
> The issues while traveling can exasperate QoS on phone calls when
> switching from a 4G to 3G for example, however data ‘does’ transfer from
> one tower to the next.  The newer release of BTBC Client (R20) specifically
> addresses these issues and have dramatically improved since the initial
> release 9.0 and 10.0.  I enjoy using my smart phone as my business line
> (well an SCA).  I use it when I’m working from home, commuting, and hand
> off from calls.
>
>
>
> With that said, I only have experience on a few technologies including
> BroadSoft BroadWorks.
>
>
>
> I wish you well on your search!
>
>
>
> Jay Stewart
>
> NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
>
> (480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com
>
> 8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250
>
>
>
> *From:* Colton Conor [mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:52 PM
> *To:* Jay Stewart
> *Cc:* voiceops@voiceops.org
> *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
> Broadsoft
>
>
>
> Jay,
>
>
>
> Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call
> through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far.
> Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message
> Now application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?
>
>
>
> I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones
> don't work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump
> between towers when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard
> some Broadsoft providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart  wrote:
>
> Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator
> Solution (BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop
> effectively and still deliver an application rich technology.  They also
> support Mobile Link integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We
> have deployed he full UC One solution.
>
>
>
> Jay Stewart
>
> NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
>
> (480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com
>
> 8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250
>
>
>
> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Colton
> Conor
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
> *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft
>
>
>
> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
> there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>
>
>
> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
> worker. The ability to use their cell

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Paul Timmins]

I've used mobile data heavily since 2002. And I've never seen it switch 
IPs based on towers. The only time I see it change (other than while 
roaming) is usually if you go from 1xRTT to 3G, or 3G to 4G (and that 
last part varies depending on whether you're using 3G in a 4G enabled 
area, which doesn't typically switch IPs) (that's CDMA centric, but my 
experience was similar with GSM (CSD/EDGE/HSDPA/LTE). Of course, 
Nextel's packetstream service never changed IPs (in mid session, anyway) 
for the most part that I can remember, but that was 12 years ago and who 
knows, my memory could be fuzzy here. I think they actually would end up 
changing IPs if you roamed to a different nextel region (there were 
several that I can recall)


I have had very few problems maintaining long term data connections over 
cellular networks over the years, at least not ones related to something 
other than signal reception or changes in what region of the network you 
were in, or what access technology was being used by the handset or device).


-Paul

On 07/30/2014 04:52 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

Jay,

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call 
through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so 
far. Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done 
the Message Now application that is separate and not integrated with 
UC-One right?


I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on 
smartphones don't work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice 
calls jump between towers when traveling in a call, but data does not. 
I have heard some Broadsoft providers have integrate with Sprint's 
wireless solution.



On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart <mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>> wrote:


Have you tried BroadSoft's UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator
Solution (BTBC).  I don't know of ones that can top Mobile &
Desktop effectively and still deliver an application rich
technology.  They also support Mobile Link integrating the cell
phone service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC One
solution.

Jay Stewart

NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator

(480) 426-0099  | jstew...@nextiva.com
<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>

8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

*From:*VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org
<mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org>] *On Behalf Of *Colton Conor
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
*To:* voiceops@voiceops.org <mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
*Subject:* [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides
Broadsoft

What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx
systems are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a
Broadsoft solution today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft
offers, and the fact that it just works. However, they are
starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many
Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering
is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
that offer Broadsoft services to.

We are really looking for something that integrates well for the
mobile worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the
service is key for us. The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP
phones are slowing down. However, people understand the value and
are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.

What commercial solutions are there?




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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jay Stewart]

BroudTouch contains clients, BroadCloud is what clients connect to and includes 
web collaboration.

To you second point, I can’t  guarantee your service provider, coverage 
aspects, reliability,  etc,  but yes the technology deploys TCP/IP and of 
source sends RTP as UDP (Connectionless oriented), so when you connect from 
tower to tower your broadcasts and IP address get migrated and switch traffic 
the same.

I can’t speak on behalf of BroadSoft engineering but that have stated in 
release notes there was more design consideration into the mobility aspect 
network aspect.  I can affirm this as we’ve deployed both versions.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: Colton Conor [mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:59 PM
To: Jay Stewart
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Jay,

So what is the difference between BroadTouch and BroadCloud? I know what 
Broadworks is.

So you are saying that data connections are maintained and do jump between cell 
towers? So if am traveling 70MPH down the road using a softphone like BTBC that 
use the data connection I won't have the call drop? I know cell minutes jump 
between towers because I have traveled in a truck for hours at a time on a cell 
phone and the call has not dropped. I have heard that only cell minutes not 
data jumps.

What makes the new version 20 of the BTBC client do this successfully? Also, 
whey does Broadsoft have so many versions listed in the Google Play store: 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=BroadSoft,+Inc.&hl=en Are the 
first four apps the same thing just different versions? I assume 2015 is the 
latest?

MobileLink looks great to make outbound calls using cellular minutes with your 
Broadworks number. Does MobileLink do anything for inbound calls from 
Broadworks? Are you just supposed to use Broadworks Anywhere with answer 
confirmation for inbound to mobile?

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jay Stewart 
mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>> wrote:
Yes indeed, partial deployment makes it difficult to get all the functionality 
you are looking for.  Yes the SMS is a separate package, but the point behind 
this is BroadSoft has three primary product lines:  1)  BroadWorks,  2)  
BroudTouch, and BroadCloud which have some overlap and integration into what 
they consider the overall UC ONE solution.  SMS is part of the BroudTouch 
product family which includes, Business Communicator, Mobile Link and SMS.

The issues while traveling can exasperate QoS on phone calls when switching 
from a 4G to 3G for example, however data ‘does’ transfer from one tower to the 
next.  The newer release of BTBC Client (R20) specifically addresses these 
issues and have dramatically improved since the initial release 9.0 and 10.0.  
I enjoy using my smart phone as my business line (well an SCA).  I use it when 
I’m working from home, commuting, and hand off from calls.

With that said, I only have experience on a few technologies including 
BroadSoft BroadWorks.

I wish you well on your search!

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | 
jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: Colton Conor 
[mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com<mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:52 PM
To: Jay Stewart
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Jay,

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call 
through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far. 
Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message Now 
application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?

I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones don't 
work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump between towers 
when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard some Broadsoft 
providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart 
mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>> wrote:
Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator Solution 
(BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop effectively and 
still deliver an application rich technology.  They also support Mobile Link 
integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC 
One solution.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | 
jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: VoiceOps 
[mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-boun...

Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jay Stewart]

Yes indeed, partial deployment makes it difficult to get all the functionality 
you are looking for.  Yes the SMS is a separate package, but the point behind 
this is BroadSoft has three primary product lines:  1)  BroadWorks,  2)  
BroudTouch, and BroadCloud which have some overlap and integration into what 
they consider the overall UC ONE solution.  SMS is part of the BroudTouch 
product family which includes, Business Communicator, Mobile Link and SMS.

The issues while traveling can exasperate QoS on phone calls when switching 
from a 4G to 3G for example, however data ‘does’ transfer from one tower to the 
next.  The newer release of BTBC Client (R20) specifically addresses these 
issues and have dramatically improved since the initial release 9.0 and 10.0.  
I enjoy using my smart phone as my business line (well an SCA).  I use it when 
I’m working from home, commuting, and hand off from calls.

With that said, I only have experience on a few technologies including 
BroadSoft BroadWorks.

I wish you well on your search!

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: Colton Conor [mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:52 PM
To: Jay Stewart
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Jay,

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call 
through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far. 
Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message Now 
application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?

I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones don't 
work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump between towers 
when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard some Broadsoft 
providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart 
mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>> wrote:
Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator Solution 
(BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop effectively and 
still deliver an application rich technology.  They also support Mobile Link 
integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC 
One solution.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | 
jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: VoiceOps 
[mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org>] On 
Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on 
the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like 
the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, 
they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft 
competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than 
Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.

We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. 
The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's 
of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people 
understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.

What commercial solutions are there?

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

Jay,

Our provider has partially deployed UC-One. They don't support call
through/mobility/SMS functionality though, so we find it limiting so far.
Correct me if I am wrong but SMS though Broadsoft is still done the Message
Now application that is separate and not integrated with UC-One right?

I like the idea of using cellular minutes as SIP clients on smartphones
don't work well especially when traveling. Cellular voice calls jump
between towers when traveling in a call, but data does not. I have heard
some Broadsoft providers have integrate with Sprint's wireless solution.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jay Stewart  wrote:

>  Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator
> Solution (BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop
> effectively and still deliver an application rich technology.  They also
> support Mobile Link integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We
> have deployed he full UC One solution.
>
>
>
> Jay Stewart
>
> NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
>
> (480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com
>
> 8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250
>
>
>
> *From:* VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] *On Behalf Of *Colton
> Conor
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
> *To:* voiceops@voiceops.org
> *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft
>
>
>
> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
> there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>
>
>
> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
> smartphone.
>
>
>
> What commercial solutions are there?
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Jay Stewart]

Have you tried BroadSoft’s UC One BroudTouch Business Communicator Solution 
(BTBC).  I don’t know of ones that can top Mobile & Desktop effectively and 
still deliver an application rich technology.  They also support Mobile Link 
integrating the cell phone service as well as SMS.  We have deployed he full UC 
One solution.

Jay Stewart
NextOS Sr. Systems Administrator
(480) 426-0099 | jstew...@nextiva.com<mailto:jstew...@nextiva.com>
8800 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 300 | Scottsdale, AZ 85250

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:42 AM
To: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are on 
the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We like 
the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. However, 
they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many Broadsoft 
competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no different than 
Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer Broadsoft services to.

We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile worker. 
The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. The day's 
of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, people 
understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.

What commercial solutions are there?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[John Curry]

Hello

We offer our own open source switch. You can set it up for hosted or sip 
trunking. We bundle it with a billing platform as well.

 

John

cid:7A1F90D5-2114-4F17-B9C6-0230EB9EAD47@hsd1.pa.comcast.net.

 

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:59 PM
To: Tim Jackson
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

 

So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides Broadsoft:

 

Metaswitch

Genband

Alianza

NetSapiens

XCast Labs

EnSwitch

 

Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service provider 
grade offering the multi tenant functionality, and management features. 

 

 

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson  wrote:

As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
pretty slick there..

No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
Accession supports XMPP)..




On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
> following:
> A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates
> Integrated SMS Functionality
> Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your
> cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use
> Bria!
> All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
> Advanced fraud detection!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>>
>> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
>> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
>> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
>> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there
>> are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
>> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
>> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>>
>> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
>> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
>> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
>> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
>> smartphone.
>>
>> What commercial solutions are there?
>
>
>

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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

So to sum it up, so far I have been recommended the following besides
Broadsoft:

Metaswitch
Genband
Alianza
*NetSapiens*
*XCast Labs*
*EnSwitch*

*Is there anyone else that to add the this list? The must be service
provider grade offering the multi tenant functionality,
and management features. *



On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Tim Jackson  wrote:

> As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
> pretty slick there..
>
> No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
> Accession supports XMPP)..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
> > To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
> > following:
> > A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware
> updates
> > Integrated SMS Functionality
> > Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of
> your
> > cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can
> use
> > Bria!
> > All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
> > Advanced fraud detection!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
> >> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
> >> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that
> it
> >> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
> there
> >> are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
> >> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
> >> that offer Broadsoft services to.
> >>
> >> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
> >> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for
> us.
> >> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
> >> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
> >> smartphone.
> >>
> >> What commercial solutions are there?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Tim Jackson]

As far as tricks with a cell client, Accession from Metaswitch is
pretty slick there..

No real SMS integration yet (but you can easily add this since
Accession supports XMPP)..



On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
> following:
> A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates
> Integrated SMS Functionality
> Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your
> cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can use
> Bria!
> All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
> Advanced fraud detection!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
>>
>> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
>> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
>> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
>> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there
>> are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
>> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
>> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>>
>> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
>> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
>> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
>> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
>> smartphone.
>>
>> What commercial solutions are there?
>
>
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

To be a little more specific, at minimum the platform should have the
following:
A device manager for phones for automated provisioning and firmware updates
Integrated SMS Functionality
Integrate Cell Phone functionality. I guess an app that allows use of your
cell phone as an extension, and not just a soft client. Any platform can
use Bria!
All the standard features that Broadsoft at least provides.
Advanced fraud detection!



On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
> there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
> that offer Broadsoft services to.
>
> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
> smartphone.
>
> What commercial solutions are there?
>
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Rick Garcia]

We support lots of NS platform customers out there (wholesale Origination, Term 
etc.) and all of them seem to be very happy with the platform.

Rick

From: VoiceOps [mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Nick Crocker
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:02 AM
To: Shripal Daphtary
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

Second this, NetSapiens is a great platform. I came from many years of 
Broadsoft, I adapted to NS pretty quickly and there support and dev team are 
great people.

Nick

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Shripal Daphtary 
mailto:shrip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Net sapiens is a good viable option. With geo redundancy and an interesting 
pricing model where you only pay for simultaneous ports rather than licenses.

Shripal

> On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are 
> on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We 
> like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. 
> However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many 
> Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no 
> different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer 
> Broadsoft services to.
>
> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile 
> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. 
> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, 
> people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone.
>
> What commercial solutions are there?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Nick Crocker]

Second this, NetSapiens is a great platform. I came from many years of
Broadsoft, I adapted to NS pretty quickly and there support and dev team
are great people.

Nick


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Shripal Daphtary 
wrote:

> Net sapiens is a good viable option. With geo redundancy and an
> interesting pricing model where you only pay for simultaneous ports rather
> than licenses.
>
> Shripal
>
> > On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Colton Conor 
> wrote:
> >
> > What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
> are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
> today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
> just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
> there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
> offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
> that offer Broadsoft services to.
> >
> > We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
> However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
> smartphone.
> >
> > What commercial solutions are there?
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Re: [VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Shripal Daphtary]

I should clarify that I don't own a netsapiens as we are currently wedded to 
our bsft and m6, however I evaluated it and was really impressed.  

Shripal

> On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Nick Crocker  wrote:
> 
> Second this, NetSapiens is a great platform. I came from many years of 
> Broadsoft, I adapted to NS pretty quickly and there support and dev team are 
> great people.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Shripal Daphtary  
>> wrote:
>> Net sapiens is a good viable option. With geo redundancy and an interesting 
>> pricing model where you only pay for simultaneous ports rather than licenses.
>> 
>> Shripal
>> 
>> > On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
>> >
>> > What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems 
>> > are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution 
>> > today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it 
>> > just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and 
>> > there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our 
>> > Broadsoft offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local 
>> > providers that offer Broadsoft services to.
>> >
>> > We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile 
>> > worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for 
>> > us. The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. 
>> > However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a 
>> > smartphone.
>> >
>> > What commercial solutions are there?
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[Shripal Daphtary]

Net sapiens is a good viable option. With geo redundancy and an interesting 
pricing model where you only pay for simultaneous ports rather than licenses. 

Shripal

> On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems are 
> on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution today. We 
> like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it just works. 
> However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and there are too many 
> Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft offering is no 
> different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers that offer 
> Broadsoft services to.
> 
> We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile 
> worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us. 
> The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down. However, 
> people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a smartphone. 
> 
> What commercial solutions are there? 
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[VoiceOps] Multi Tenant Commercial Softswitch Besides Broadsoft

[Colton Conor]

What carrier and service provider multitenant softswitch and pbx systems
are on the market today besides Broadsoft? We use a Broadsoft solution
today. We like the redundancy that Broadsoft offers, and the fact that it
just works. However, they are starting to seriously lack features, and
there are too many Broadsoft competitors. We are finding that our Broadsoft
offering is no different than Comcast, Verizon, or other local providers
that offer Broadsoft services to.

We are really looking for something that integrates well for the mobile
worker. The ability to use their cell phone with the service is key for us.
The day's of clients buying $300 Polycom IP phones are slowing down.
However, people understand the value and are willing to spend $600 on a
smartphone.

What commercial solutions are there?
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