On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:58 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so - the value of Adidas and the value of a Theo Parrish record depends on
> how much of the illusion you're comfortable with believing in
nah. some things have objectively greater value than others.
tom
> Value is a perception
that's probably the only real truth said in the whole debate
I'll give Martin that
it's just a matter of where you want to stop examining the "value" of
whatever it is you're talking about
it could be argued that nothing has any real value at all because our all
of our per
are about theo, I do, and that's got to count for
something (I know, that's exactly why they did it). But I do agree
wholeheartedly about the non-entity and their ultimate aim.
k
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Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
incidentally, adidas shelltoes (officially called Superstar)
were the best shoe to skate in period.
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On 15 Feb 2008, at 15:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*sigh* yes, of course it is - it's advertising fer chrissake
Easy - it's not personal, I'm just chatting sh1t and throwing idea out
there.
reposting your first mail you sent on the topic:
The problem for big brands is they don't act
*sigh* yes, of course it is - it's advertising fer chrissake
reposting your first mail you sent on the topic:
>The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything,
>there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept
>based, driven by ideas and transient notions. There
> going strong.
>
>
>
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> From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 February 2008 09:56
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: 313 313
> Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
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> On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51
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Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> wow,
> i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;)
Do they still make them? Ken's a big fan of DM's but I've got fat
ankles an
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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2008 09:59
To: Odeluga, Ken; Martin Dust; 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Great - made by the company that makes bulldozers that flatten
Palestinian homes! :)
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op labour of course.
New Balance don't, but they just use cheap immigrant labour instead!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2008 10:03
To: Robert Taylor; Odel
neontsetse . . now that's a blast from the past.
Welcome back or have you lurking ?
Rav.
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From: dr.dog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 18:50
To: kent williams
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
salut 313-list
altho
On 15 Feb 2008, at 10:10, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
You're right! Adidas is innocent of course! I'll wear sandals in this
time of palms, will that be acceptable? ;-p
Make sure you have on a good white sports sock with those Ken ;)
n Dust; 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count?
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47
To: 313 313
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Come on then Ken, what'
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> -Original Message-
> From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 February 2008 09:50
> To: Martin Dust; 313 313
> Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
>
> I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count?
>
>
>
bject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count?
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47
To: 313 313
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of
On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
wow,
i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;)
Do they still make them? Ken's a big fan of DM's but I've got fat
ankles and don't really need the support.
m
On 14 Feb 2008, at 18:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, btw - I've been on film shoots
I know *exactly* how many people it takes to do this kind of work -
craft
services included
you want me to write up an financial estimate for it?
Then you'll know it's all fibs. Do a financial if you want
wow,
i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;)
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> Come on then Ken, what'
I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count?
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47
To: 313 313
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice?
m
PS Vans or Duffs for me :)
To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Untrue, as well - I like their style
sh in Adidas AdverT
And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-)
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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56
To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Untrue, as well - I like their style
And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-)
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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56
To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Untrue, as well - I like their style
Rob
Untrue, as well - I like their style
Rob Taylor
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From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 12:23
To: Odeluga, Ken; 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Maybe we've gone just about as far away from Detroit Techno on this
thread as is possible, but I will say this: The Herbie Hancock/Joni
Mitchell CD has some brilliant work on it. I'd never feel bad about
Herbie winning a Grammy.
And it makes me feel really frickin old to think that I've been
list
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Cyclone Wehner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Grammies is pretty out of touch with grassroots, we all agree on
> that I am sure. I am glad Amy Winehouse was recognised but the
> Chemicals winning best electronic album - it's right out of line with
> even the co
uga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
We 313ers should all watch it I think.
I did post it to the list over a week ago though.
Keep up! ;-)
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Fro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, btw - I've been on film shoots
I know *exactly* how many people it takes to do this kind of work - craft
services included
you want me to write up an financial estimate for it?
You can if you want but that wasn't my point ;)
m
salut 313-list
although I hate Adidas for their extra-ugly-politics ...
I always will love Theo !
... my own way in music-biz, label-work etc..
is not all "pc", there´s a lot of contradictions ..
and still together with the label monika-enterprise
we also just released a "for free" compilati
Oh, btw - I've been on film shoots
I know *exactly* how many people it takes to do this kind of work - craft
services included
you want me to write up an financial estimate for it?
;-)
MEK
Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/14/2008 12:17:51 PM:
> > Adidas basically documents a "day i
everything is a nebulous lifestyle choice -
I think Buddha pretty much said that
MEK
Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 02/14/2008 12:17:51 PM:
> > Adidas basically documents a "day in the life of" with a barely
> > noticeable fact that he's wearing their shoes.
>
> That's the whole poi
Adidas basically documents a "day in the life of" with a barely
noticeable fact that he's wearing their shoes.
That's the whole point of the advert tho MEK, they've done the BUY
NOW, so they've switched to mnml :) If you've ever seen what it takes
to "document" a day in the life of film (8
On 14 Feb 2008, at 17:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that's total B.S. Martin
"they" aren't robots - I'm sure there are people working at Adidas and
other companies they could very well be into Theo Parrish
Why is it BS? Have I shattered the illusion?
It's true, get use't it - its how the mac
I think you'd be surprised.
As many grumps that are on this list [myself included] they're still
highly influential - even if the "one" someone you respect or admire
says one line - it's enough to persuade.
let's also not forget "my adidas" by Run DMC - wonder if that was a
giant commerc
that's total B.S. Martin
"they" aren't robots - I'm sure there are people working at Adidas and
other companies they could very well be into Theo Parrish
Just because they work at a corporation doesn't mean they live in a bubble
- cut off from the world you live in.
someone at some level along th
Glazer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cyclone Wehner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "M Ng"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mann, Ravinder"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Todd Sines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 14 February 2008 11:03
> To: 313
> Cc: Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner; Carlos de Brito
> Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
>
>
> I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded
the reason i like something like the RBMA is that it gives something
back to the dance community. something like this, i dont think you can
say the same thing. its a cool little video to watch, but how much
would making this have cost had it been independently financed instead
of having adidas do i
A couple of thoughts:
I sincerely doubt that the 313 mailing list demographic is sufficiently
lucrative to warrant
creating a specific viral marketing campaign for. Are there other artists
involved in a similar
series targeting other groups? I don't think this sort of campaign is expensive
to p
old guard = company-> internal marketing dept-> research firm -> wack
commercial actors
new guard = company-> guerrilla/viral marketing consultants ->
independent media creation professionals-> people you actually know
and
care about.
It's convincing K, but ask yourself the reason they'v
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 16:06
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Toby Frith
Cc: Todd Sines; 313; Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner;
Carlos de Brito
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
>I wouldn't say I love Adidas, but I do find this sort of advertising
mo
>I wouldn't say I love Adidas, but I do find this sort of advertising
more >acceptable for some
>hypocritical reason.
I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I've seen the spread of
viral+branded content online as advertising and I like it or a few
reasons.
For a start, to do it correctly (as I
nder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner; Carlos de
Brito
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded content thing
knew that this would cause a stir on 313 amongst the "heads"...
and that it would generate buzz
and that p
Shelltoes would be a ltd edition run, on colour vinyl..possibly a
mispress of something decent
Toby Frith wrote:
Harsh.
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From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 12:22
To: 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
If
Harsh.
-Original Message-
From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 12:22
To: 313 313
Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mai
If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 12:17
Cc: 313 313
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
it's almost like music
Martin Dust schreef:
>
>
it's almost like music
Martin Dust schreef:
On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote:
On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote:
the only thing they do is the design
Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :)
I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing o
On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote:
On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote:
the only thing they do is the design
Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :)
I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out
and re-enforcing the point I made about
On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote:
the only thing they do is the design
Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :)
On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:28, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
Martin's got a refined point I think, although it's arguable that they
don't actually make anything. They make money for a start! :)
No doubt, but money is only an abstract concept in which we choose to
place our trust in anyway - the concept is
uot; <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>, "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
ones.com>cc:
Su
osing image. It's all good.
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From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33
To: Cyclone Wehner
Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising
TED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 11:13
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything,
there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept
based, driven by ideas and transient notions. Therefore it sh
I wouldn't say I love Adidas, but I do find this sort of advertising more
acceptable for some
hypocritical reason. I think the best I can hope to do is maintain a healthy
level of
self-criticism. I don't think I am in any position to pass judgement about
selling out and keeping
it real (or faux)
The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything,
there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept
based, driven by ideas and transient notions. Therefore it should come
as no surprise when they try to tie this something real or something
that would generate
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 11:03
To: 313
Cc: Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner; Carlos de Brito
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded content thing
knew that this would cause a stir on
14 February 2008 06:33
To: Cyclone Wehner
Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values.
I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they
have
other means of income other
To: Cyclone Wehner
> Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
>
>
> I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values.
>
> I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have
> other means of inc
33
To: Cyclone Wehner
Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values.
I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have
other means of income other than just make recor
> >
> >> Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 -
> >> Von: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> An: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org
> >> Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
> >>
>
Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 -
Von: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
We 313ers should all watch it I think.
I did post it to the list ove
trying to be smart i suppose :)
fab
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Da : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A : 313@hyperreal.org
Oggetto : Re: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Data : Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:02:39 -0600
> Theo is going to get all sorts of love from the 313 lis
Or getting PAID
;-)
MEK
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2008 08:24:26 AM:
> i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling
> out, or corporate invasion of underground cultures or
> something along those lines.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 February 2008 14:24
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling
out, or corporate invasion of underground cultur
illiams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 February 2008 15:03
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Theo is going to get all sorts of love from the 313 list that Richie
won't. That's just the way things are.
Watching that video doesn't make me think
Theo is going to get all sorts of love from the 313 list that Richie
won't. That's just the way things are.
Watching that video doesn't make me think Theo is selling out to
Adidas. It makes me think that Theo and a Film-maker got a bunch of
money from Adidas to make a short film that gets at the
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> it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;)
>
> btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only
> major company that discovered theo parris
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> Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 -
> Von: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org
> Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parris
We 313ers should all watch it I think.
I did post it to the list over a week ago though.
Keep up! ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE
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