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I feel to many Americans, movements would seem more exotic, 'cooler',
and unique' if it cam
I feel to many Americans, movements would seem more exotic, 'cooler',
and unique' if it came from the UK. Its just the way it is, I guess.
g.
Dan Sicko wrote:
Speaking to the "Why S&D and not Juan?" issue directly, I'd just like
to offer up the strange infatuation the US media holds for UK p
Were it not for Detroit's WLBS...Prince woulda been
dropped--period--end of story. Warner Bros. put >him on as the
opening act for the Rolling Stones tour in 77 or 78 (can't remember)
and he was literally >booed, caned, and thrown trash and bottles at
by irate--white rockers already grasping t
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>on 1/3/02 5:56 pm, neon tse tse at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> you wanted to hide away, b
> actually, you couldn't be further from the truth. you don't know me - you
> don't know where i'm from or who i am. you don't know what I do and you
> certainly don't fucking know what i think.
>
hold on -
this wasn´t adressed to you
it was directly connected to this statement:
> don't expec
on 1/3/02 5:56 pm, neon tse tse at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> you wanted to hide away, because of some offensive language,
>
> that wasn´t even adressed to your name in th first place
>
> to hide away from this reality is a part of the game
>
> to shut up or to speak "clever and correct" i
t: Re: [313] The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
> because you're not doing anything else but worry about someone else's
> bee's wax. what are you doing for yourself? if you're not part of the
> solution, you're part of the problem.
>
> i m
> because you're not doing anything else but worry about someone else's
> bee's wax. what are you doing for yourself? if you're not part of the
> solution, you're part of the problem.
>
> i mean no offense at all, but its the truth.
Yeah of course I see this - and agree with it !
I´m doing som
> The music is the truththat is all I know. However, I'm not the only
one
> firing off cannons. Recently while watching CNN, there was a news segment
> covering Elton John FLAMING the music industry for lowest common
denominator
> marketing. He said that the good musicians and music were ac
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> >I'
I'm really torn on the Motor question though. Where will Detroit (or any
American city with its analogue of motor) go to hear expensive talent like
Herbert, and how will the local artists get to make the money they deserve
if we boycott the places big enough to garner those fees? We all know the
because you're not doing anything else but worry about someone else's
bee's wax. what are you doing for yourself? if you're not part of the
solution, you're part of the problem.
i mean no offense at all, but its the truth.
g.
neon tse tse wrote:
am 01.03.2002 19:10 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROT
usiness to win...not just show up to parties and tap-dance
for y'all. I cannot understand how you cannot connect these dots...........
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Friday, March 01, 2002, 1:34:52 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came:
lg> Real life cannot be
lg> fomulated, natural order/disorder will always thro a curve ball.
So breeding talking velociraptors was a bad idea?
You hippie scientists and your chaos theory . . .
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hillbilly music != country music. Appalachian music has it's roots in
Irish folk music. A lot of the O' Brother Where Art Thou? soundtrack
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, laura gavoor wrote:
> My gay friends incline the exact sam e way...but call it what you will.
> Personally, feeling ones gonads and living fearlessly is a simple
> choice--whatever your denomination or distinction of choice may be
> fierce ruling divas do exactly that.
ultimately have self-actualized and don't care what another's opinion may
be.
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Seconded! I was thinking of writing a full response to the post, some of
w
Your point is still valid, who's the evil oppressor in this case?
GEORGE CLOONEY!
blah
On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 13:15, John Bush wrote:
> > While money may be the easiest problem to
> > shake your fist at, the marketing forces
> > that determine the economics are guided by
>
listen to the show at:
http://freshair.npr.org/dayFA.cfm?display=day&todayDate=02%2F28%2F2002
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hillbilly music != country music. Appalachian music has it's roots in
Irish folk music. A lot of the O' Brother Where Art Thou? soundtrack
that just won the Grammy for Best Album of the Year was Appalachian
based music. Never been a money maker, mostly white folks making it,
small subculture sur
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> sorry
MOTHERFUCKER
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First of all, this is one of the most thought-provoking threads I've read
in a while (nit-picking over curse words aside)- I'm glad the opinions are
being voiced and I'd like to hear more from those like Laura who have a
lot of direct industry experience with these issues.
> firing off cannons.
am 01.03.2002 19:10 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> People, you are always going to be broke if you're worrying about someone
> else's income.
always going to e broke ?
who are you talking to ?
what you mean by that ?
m
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>From: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [313] The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
>Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:17 AM
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> I wish to relate two stories about the UK djs in question:
>
&
> don't expect me to give a damn what you think.
don´t be searching 4 mistakes for switching it off -
yes. please speak up and say what you don´t agree with,
but do enter the subject and don´t suggest there´s nothing
4 you and others "to give a damn" about it -
then, if you enter this subject,
i would just like to state for the record that Carl does not get his nike's
custom made. thank you.
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>> Seconded! I was thinking of writing a full response to the post, some
on 1/3/02 3:01 pm, laura gavoor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Elton John
i bet he wouldn't have liked you using the word "faggot" either.
sorry, that was meant in good humour. i couldn't resist it;)
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>I'm not saying that i disagree with the arguements expressed, just the
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alidate what she's saying?
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>>> From: Tom Robbins/Tom Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:20 PM
>>> To: Tim Maughan; laura gavoor; 313 mailing list
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I was trying to find the words to express these exact thoughts below.
Thanks for doing it for me :-)
jim
http://www.assasins.net
"We can talk about the "machine" and how it effects us
until we are blue. I think it's obvious that we know
who the demons are here..it's just a matter if you
make it
saying?
>
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>Seconded! I was thinking of writing a full response to the post, some of
>which I thought was accurate and some of which I thought was way
>off target.
>Then I saw this. If you're going to
Seconded! I was thinking of writing a full response to the post, some of
which I thought was accurate and some of which I thought was way off target.
Then I saw this. If you're going to casually toss language like this around,
Laura, don't expect me to give a damn what you think.
> > These type Br
> While money may be the easiest problem to
> shake your fist at, the marketing forces
> that determine the economics are guided by
> history - a history of bigotry and conservativism
> that refuses to acredit African-Amercians with
> anything outside of popular stereotypes.
Don't forget hillbilli
Exactly. Those executives are letting racism,
> sexism, and poor taste drive the machine.
just to swerve this topic a bit more off road- I'll
come at from where I'm most now, around kids. Where
the "machine" starts to influence at its earliest.
>From a music standpoint, I've noticed that the k
e
of us who have to live through it every day
Jim J.
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on 28/2/02 11:17 pm, laura gavoor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> These type Brit-fad faggots
ease off the homophobic language.
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To: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:09:56 -0800
Speaking to the "Why
Not to detract from your argument, but to cite a relevant exception to that
status quo: Deep Dish (Ali and Sharam) are an example, at least as far as
dance music is concerned, of Arab/Muslim-Americans who are
successful and respected in many musical circles.
Incidentally, they won a Grammy las
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Phonopsia wrote:
> > When it comes to executives of any type, it's never really been
> > about the race. It's always been about the money. Those people aren't
> > stupid rednecks. They're deliberately evil. Instead of educating
> > ignorant white america, they make billion
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, laura gavoor wrote:
> I think then...based on your own parameters. your argument is null and
> void given the top selling artists of all time are 90% black: Mariah Carey,
> Michael and Janet Jackson...Dr. Dre/Eminempick up Billboard mag for the
> latest updates, but
Speaking to the "Why S&D and not Juan?" issue directly, I'd just like
to offer up the strange infatuation the US media holds for UK pop
culture exports (I know this term is a bit of the large blanket
variety) ...
I think often times a "movement" seems that much more legitimate to
the US (and
I think the more disappointing thing re: Motor is that they are booking John
Debo from Boston on March 2nd.
This guy is the most unprofessional little twirp with a "little Ceaser"
complex that I have ever dealt with in my entire career. And I've dealt
with a bunch of strange ones, ie. Genesis P-O
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> When it comes to executives of any type, it's never really
.
Brittany still gots a ways to go
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, laura gavoor wrote:
> You don't hafta be a reactionary, b
word, girl!
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> I wish to relat
or maybe Moby just produced a 'pop' album with dance tendancies that got
really popular because it had a bit of everything. then he made videos and
toured his ass off for two years.
while juan (i'm not picking on him- just using your example) doesn't make
half his gigs and has been content to put
are you sure its not just because Juan has (other) issues that might be
holding him back?
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, laura gavoor wrote:
> You don't hafta be a reactionary, but certainly DO NOT criticize those of us
> who have undertaken a mission to break those chains and garner the success
> that we all rightly deserve that HAS BEEN PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN to come
> with no stress, n
i have no argument with the general claim that there are white imitators
profiting on the backs of black inovators.
but i don't think it really applies that much to sasha/digweed. there
reference points aren't chicago, new york or detroit. rather the music they
play-trance/progressive-is influence
n said how Sony is stressing her Latin ancestry, not her Lebanese roots.
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>From: "laura gavoor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:17 AM
>
I wish to relate two stories about the UK djs in question:
-Dunno bout Digweed in particular, however when Sasha first came to Detroit
way back when (circa 1994-95) NO ONE really knew who he was, he played
flatline, put-you-to-sleep music of no consequence, in other words, drop
needle...no rea
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