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From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:21:24 -0500 (CDT)
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Err, not the place really to debate this, but it depends on the technology.
Technology is a tool. You
Someone at the festival I met that went to this mentioned it would be
online.
Does anyone know when/where?
Thanks,
_Pete
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Err, not the place really to debate this, but it depends on the technology.
Technology is a tool. You can't point to a particular technology, excepting
weapons systems that uniformlly gives advantage to the haves at the expense
of the have-nots.
I think (without having been there) that the Submerg
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sorry David, BUT, from the very source you quote:
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d, but IMO it should be since it wanders off topic
> enough for people to jump ship (Mike Taylor?)
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> of course, we could argue semantics all day long. back to detroit techno
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> back to my cage,
> -Joe
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>> globalisation; on one hand, you get Starbucks, McDonalds, and other
>sterile
>> forces
hmm burgers
hmm coffee
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ay long. back to detroit techno
back to my cage,
-Joe
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> LKS> how would you measure this?
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> BBP> Average life expectancy, infant mortality rates, literacy, et cetera.
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> uhm...so do you believe the most country that is the most
> tech
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From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:39:32 -0700
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Wednesday, June 05, 2002, 12:17:08 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came:
>> technology has
Unfortunately there is no better world to escape to (and if there was I dare
say we'd need rocket ships to get there!) Avoiding global capitalism is not
an option at this point in the game, those who refuse to play will probably
not survive. Therefore I see no other option than the creative ad
Wednesday, June 05, 2002, 12:17:08 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came:
>> technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the
>> haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse
>> degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jayson B. wrote:
> technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the
> haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse
> degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone
> would argue that we're all s
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i'm speaking in general terms, and you keep speaking in specific terms.
think about that, and only then respond.
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RE history.. than answer
kind regards
Yair.
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Ask those little china kids if two hundred years ago they would have been in
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:23:23 +0200
well, i am sorry to say that life now is better than it was lets say 200
years ago.
thats what some people would like you to think.
all things r changing and nothing is
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technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the
haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse
degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone
would argue that
Something to ponder:
Perhaps a technology based culture isn't what every society needs or
wants. While admitting that technological advancements in sanitation
and medicine are universally beneficial, one could also argue that every
family in the world having a computer and internet connection
technology hasn't changed dick. People have simply NEVER been equal. the
haves vs the have-nots has always been there, and in many cases to a worse
degree than it is now. slavery? caste systems? serfs? I'm sure someone
would argue that we're all slaves now to corporations, but life in gene
obsolete products in order to make a
profit.
/dave
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how can technology be blamed for this?
this is human nature.
kataconda
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i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro
technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology
has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequ
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From: James Hurlbut [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:21:43 -0700
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Subject: [313] [OT] Re: [313] submerge.panel and technology
I wasn't at the panel, but I disagree with the idea that technology is a
root cause of the ma
I wasn't at the panel, but I disagree with the idea that technology is a
root cause of the massive inequality of the world. I think technology is
neutral, it is a tool whose use can be motivated by greed and profit or by
social consciousness. The current tide of "globalism from below", a
histor
yeah this is a little late but.
i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very "pro
technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since technology has
played a _large_ part in the rising levels of inequality both in the united
states (the income of the p
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