RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-06 Thread Odeluga, Ken
in the tastes between the pair, so neither have probably played each other's records out this side of 2000, I'd guess. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:27 PM To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) El

Re: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-06 Thread Kevin Kennedy
Sadly, the hipsters and the sycophants are the leaders rather than the innovators and the creative. And yes...Richie wants your wallet full of cashso do all that copy him. The fact that even Hollywood has begun to copy itself more and more bothers and makes me ask where is the creativity

Re: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Greg Earle
kent williams wrote: For those of us not currently looking at a Windows computer, please summarize? On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00Y8C001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001 I've always like the way Cannonball explained it (s

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Martin Dust
>>If what you can create without too much effort on a laptop running reason sounds minimal, then hell, that's gonna be the new music. It's not the tools, anyone can copy or learn to copy the top ten on Beatport - mnml is doing the same thing as Dubstep at the moment, shame really. Ellen's al

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread rg
hout too much effort on a laptop running reason sounds minimal, then hell, that's gonna be the new music. -Original Message- From: Arturo Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:38 PM To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: O

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
best if you buy the CD - it's fantastic however, it's basically him saying that he plays at places like the Lighthouse @ Hermosa Beach most of the time and not much in NYC he says at the Lighthouse him and his band can just get on and play what they like and the people who go there just let them d

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Arturo Lopez
I think I'll give it another listen and see if I feel differently. All that echo-y german at the beginning just sounded entirely too much like one of Miss Kitten's solo albums I didn't like (I Com) and it probably started me off on the wrong foot. As this seems to have transformed into the bi-mont

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:33 PM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It only makes sense if you take a look, and then do something. I don't > think he advocates making, as this quote in isolation seems to > suggest, a guiding principle out of waiting around for something to > happen. Obse

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread kent williams
For those of us not currently looking at a Windows computer, please summarize? On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00Y8C001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001 > > I've always like the way Cannonball explained it (small snip from > i

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread kent williams
It only makes sense if you take a look, and then do something. I don't think he advocates making, as this quote in isolation seems to suggest, a guiding principle out of waiting around for something to happen. Observation and action are complementary. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Thomas D. C

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00Y8C001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001 I've always like the way Cannonball explained it (small snip from introduciton of "In New York - Cannonball Adderley Sextet") MEK Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/04/2008 01:41:56 PM: > kent williams wro

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For some reason, reading this reminded me of one of my favorite > quotes of all time (taken from the Epilogue section of the Sex > Pistols' "The Filth And The Fury" DVD, with a bunch of talking > head interviews): > > "It

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Greg Earle
kent williams wrote: It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a Hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like peop

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Joel Gajewski
From: kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 9:40:37 AM Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individu

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Paul Kendrick
Im shocked to find Carl Craig #1, but he don't play hood or CR records in his set, well not for years if he ever did. -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Paul Kendrick
EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 16:03 To: Paul Kendrick; Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? What gives u the idea that people who listen to villalobos, Vath, Luciano or even 2000 and one (who's records get played to death by the minim

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2008-04-04 Thread robin
On 4 Apr 2008, at 15:44, Toby Frith wrote: The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originato

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Martijn de Blaauw
; Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Onderwerp: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? yes! thank you... mnml comes from, is been inspired by, has evolved from, is influenced by *whatever* by all these so-called minimal originators. most artists, especially the older ones all hail detro

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2008-04-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this isn't dubstep you know fab - Original Message - Da : "Martijn de Blaauw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "Paul Kendrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Resident Advisor's DJ pages are quite interesting. Obviously it's meant to > be a hybrid of > DJ/Live acts that users vote on as their favourites, but interestingly the > top 20 or so make > for interesting reading, giv

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Martijn de Blaauw
hear some stuff like this only listen to it because it's 'hip'??? Just wondering. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 17:02 Aan: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Onderwerp: RE: (313) Ellen Allien

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Toby Frith
//www.residentadvisor.net/dj-ranks.aspx -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 16:02 To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen t

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The downside I feel is that the idiosyncrasies that makes the music of > people like Robert > Hood and Omar-S for example so exciting was their relative musical isolation > in Detroit. > Certainly with more exposure in E

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Martin Dust
On 4 Apr 2008, at 16:01, Paul Kendrick wrote: Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these producers...the people who listen to it because its hip don't care wher

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Toby Frith
15:52 To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean they will like derrick may or kevin saunderson's stuff. i know i don't like most of it, even though i am a die-hard fan of the artist

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Paul Kendrick
s hip. Next week there be into something else... -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip"

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2008-04-04 Thread Robert Taylor
; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? I dunno - KS has just done a pony mix of Resident Advisor Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. i dont use minimal as a dirty word, i use "mnml" as a dirty word. there is a difference. > I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort >

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Robert Taylor
b - Original Message - Da : "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0100 > The

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Da : "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0100 > The fact that minimal techno is currently see

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Toby Frith
ne that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to i

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread kent williams
The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because i

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Martijn de Blaauw
ski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 12:25 Aan: Matt Kane's Brain; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? i have a personal bias where i associate all things hipster or minimal or just not that good but clinging to underground a

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Is 'minimal' meant to be ironic? LOL! Shades of Alanis Morris Morrisette. -Original Message- From: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:25 AM To: Matt Kane's Brain; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix:

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Michael Kuszynski
i have a personal bias where i associate all things hipster or minimal or just not that good but clinging to underground as associated with the latest faces of brooklyn and berlin. i think its my own face at issue so i urge some flex as i rant on. On 4/3/08, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-04 Thread Odeluga, Ken
hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? I've heard recordings of her live sets which ostensibly have no licensing restrictions, and they can be really good OR really boring. I've not heard any of her commercial mixes but the only other review I re

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-03 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Michael Kuszynski wrote: btw, I love brooklyn and I would probably love Berlin, but the whole ironic minimal thing needs to grow up. I guess the recession will make that happen. I fail to see the connection? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim ->

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-03 Thread Michael Kuszynski
she's always "clever" in that I like in brooklyn/berlin and I'm really ironic with electronics way. Sometimes it's great, but sometimes it's just minimal jibber jabber. btw, I love brooklyn and I would probably love Berlin, but the whole ironic minimal thing needs to grow up. I guess the recessi

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-03 Thread Matt Kane's Brain
I've heard recordings of her live sets which ostensibly have no licensing restrictions, and they can be really good OR really boring. I've not heard any of her commercial mixes but the only other review I read of this one says it is wiped upon the floor by Weiss.Mix and its contemporaries

Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?

2008-04-03 Thread Michael Kuszynski
i imagine it has more to do with licensing and marketing fees than taste. On 4/3/08, Arturo Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boogybytes Vol 4. > > I found a couple tracks interesting but the majority was pretty > boring. Didn't really -go- anywhere, just the standard berlin > plodding along un