I know I am perhaps a bit late to this thread and perhaps don't belong
here but I'd like to weigh in.
Here's some history if anyone cares: I've been an Arch user since 0.6
and spent 6-8 months in 2004/2005 being probably the most active
person in #archlinux when I helped more new users than I can c
On Thursday 27 March 2008 08:40:10 Roman Kyrylych wrote:
> Can we please stop flaming in this thread?
Didn't mean to. Sorry if my choosing of words makes it look like a flame.
That's just my way of expressing things and no reason to not take me serious.
--
best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Arv
2005/3/27, Arvid Ephraim Picciani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I am willing to trade safety for freedom.
LOL, who took your freedom?
2005/3/27, Arvid Ephraim Picciani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wednesday 26 March 2008 16:46:18 Jan de Groot wrote:
> > If we want to go this way, I consider myself as ex
On Wednesday 26 March 2008 23:10:58 Geoff wrote:
> It assumes that there has been a debate (or perhaps that no
> debate was possible in the first place), and has been lost
there was on irc. its where i felt pretty alone with my ideas. left freenode.
turns out that the medium irc is missing a major
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:43:14 -0700
Justin Gx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However if someone is really peeved about the direction
> that Arch has begun to take they might always fork the
> distro at the last version that was suitable to them -
> comment out some problematic pacman mirrors ;) an
Geoff wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:21:26 -0500
> "Aaron Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> Suffice to say: for all the "old timers" out there, I am
>> on your side. I *am* an "old timer", and I will do
>> everything in my power to make arch what it was.
>
> I switched to Arch last Se
Just my humble opinion on some of the issues raised:
What Arch needs is to have strict guidelines on PKGBUILDs and kick out
any developers that don't have the same idea. A proposition:
* Patches are unacceptable unless in the case the software wouldn't work
*at all* (Hint, qt PKGBUILD)
+1
PLEA
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:10:11 +0200
Hussam Al-Tayeb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys, childish comments only interrupt developers from
> getting work done. I believe Roman already told people
> not to panic. So please just drop it.
This is the general discussion list after all - the devs
don't
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:04:45 -0400
> I, personally, find this divisive rhetoric of good (old)
> users vs. bad (new) users, as well as good developers
> (who do what "we" want them to do) vs. bad developers
> (who "should be kicked out") rather disturbing :/
I am sure that nobody wants to demonise
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Filip Wojciechowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I, personally, find this divisive rhetoric of good (old) users vs. bad
> (new) users, as well as good developers (who do what "we" want them to
> do) vs. bad developers (who "should be kicked out") rather disturbin
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:arch-general-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Aaron Griffin
> Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2008 0:37
> Aan: General Discusson about Arch Linux
> Onderwerp: Re: [arch-general] signoff kernel26-2.6.24.3-6
>
> O
Am Mittwoch 26 März 2008 15:46:28 schrieb olivier bordes:
> Hi, exact same for me.
> "old timer", don't want to be babied, don't want hidden nasty things to be
> done in my back. I love the simplicity and straightforward way of Arch.
>
I consider myself not a "old timer", I installed Linux in 2005
On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 15:46 +0100, olivier bordes wrote:
> Hi, exact same for me.
> "old timer", don't want to be babied, don't want hidden nasty things to be
> done in my back.
> I love the simplicity and straightforward way of Arch.
>
> This is the perfect definition for Arch, and 100% adhere
Original Message
Subject: Re:[arch-general] signoff kernel26-2.6.24.3-6
From: Dwight Schauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: General Discusson about Arch Linux
Date: mer 26 mar 2008 14:13:42 CET
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Roman Kyrylych
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Hey, please everyone don't be scared about Arch becoming an Ubuntu clone,
> issues that devs are discussing recently are *far* from that,
> so do not oversize the situation please.
> Don't Panic! ;-)
>
> --
>
2008/3/26, Dwight Schauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Suffice to say: for all the "old timers" out there, I am on your side.
> > I *am* an "old timer", and I will do everything in my power to make
> > arch what it was.
>
Arch should be careful not to go the same way Gentoo did. (Of course
Arch and Gentoo are two different concepts). Gentoo at the beginning
was quite purist and you had do have "some *NIX intelligence" to use
it. You had to know how the start up worked and how the kernel is
called by grub, if you did
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Suffice to say: for all the "old timers" out there, I am on your side.
> I *am* an "old timer", and I will do everything in my power to make
> arch what it was.
I switched to arch only recently, but I've been using linu
2008/3/26, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Suffice to say: for all the "old timers" out there, I am on your side.
> I *am* an "old timer", and I will do everything in my power to make
> arch what it was.
You're my hero. :-)
Count me too on that list.
--
Giovanni Scafora
Arch Linux Trust
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:21:26 -0500
"Aaron Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Suffice to say: for all the "old timers" out there, I am
> on your side. I *am* an "old timer", and I will do
> everything in my power to make arch what it was.
I switched to Arch last September, from Slackware,
pre
I feel the need to express my position for a variety of reasons, the
most prominent being I am the one who proposed the discussion about
the automatic service stopping before uninstalling. Let me state this
again: I proposed the *discussion* about it, since there was no
official guideline. I never
On Wednesday 26 March 2008 01:21:26 Aaron Griffin wrote:
> > gosh, how did you figure? meh. mind adding something actually usefull?
>
> Er? If you took that as bad, it wasn't meant that way. It was an
> internet-ism. "This X is made of win and awesome". It was my informal
> way of saying "I agree
it go down in misery.
Long live Arch's Way.
Not for lazy ones.
Thank you all,
Guilherme
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:07:17 -0500 (EST)
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] signoff kernel26-2.6.24.3-6
> To:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Arvid Ephraim Picciani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 March 2008 00:37:02 Aaron Griffin wrote:
> > I am a strong believer that this entire paragraph was constructed by
> > typing "win" over and over.
> gosh, how did you figure? meh. mind adding some
On Wednesday 26 March 2008 00:37:02 Aaron Griffin wrote:
> I am a strong believer that this entire paragraph was constructed by
> typing "win" over and over.
gosh, how did you figure? meh. mind adding something actually usefull?
--
best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Arvid Ephraim Picciani
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Arvid Ephraim Picciani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i believe archlinux is lost and i stopped fighting for it. It's exhausting
> to
> fight against argumentation like "but other distros do the same". those
> people just didnt get the point and should be kicked
On Tuesday 25 March 2008 20:32:01 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:
> Well actually the Arch Way has change a lot recently. Wiki says it was
> done in order to be "more formal and understandable" but i feel quite
> the opposite.
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=The_Arch_Way&diff=32398&oldid=323
ONE comment inserted below;
> On Montag, 24. März 2008 22:47 RedShift wrote:
>
> At first see this all only as the opionion of a normal user and i find
> it good that you challenge such things because this is even a good way
> to improve it.
>
> If this discussion is only for devs than please apo
On Montag, 24. März 2008 22:47 RedShift wrote:
At first see this all only as the opionion of a normal user and i find it good
that you challenge such things because this is even a good way to improve it.
If this discussion is only for devs than please apologize this and copy the
lines below to /d
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 08:07:04PM +0100, Arvid Ephraim Picciani wrote:
> On Monday 24 March 2008 22:47:34 RedShift wrote:
> > I wanted to steer clear of personal attacks but unfortunately, tpowa has
> > been a large contributer to the "lets adapt to the community"-style. I'm
> > sorry to say it, b
On Monday 24 March 2008 22:47:34 RedShift wrote:
> I wanted to steer clear of personal attacks but unfortunately, tpowa has
> been a large contributer to the "lets adapt to the community"-style. I'm
> sorry to say it, but that's how I experience it (because of his work on
> kernel26 and qt) - and i
ch
> > > Verzonden: dinsdag 25 maart 2008 9:48
> > > Aan: General Discusson about Arch Linux
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [arch-general] signoff kernel26-2.6.24.3-6
> > >
> > >
> > > > But when you have a kernel26 PKGBUILD
> > > > that
t Arch Linux
> > Onderwerp: Re: [arch-general] signoff kernel26-2.6.24.3-6
> >
> >
> > > But when you have a kernel26 PKGBUILD
> > > that's 320 lines long, that simplicity is gone.
> >
> > It's fun that the kernel is the most often ques
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:arch-general-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Roman Kyrylych
> Verzonden: dinsdag 25 maart 2008 9:48
> Aan: General Discusson about Arch Linux
> Onderwerp: Re: [arch-general] signoff kernel26-2.6.24.3-6
>
>
2008/3/24, RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[skipped]
> What Arch needs is to have strict guidelines on PKGBUILDs and kick out
> any developers that don't have the same idea. A proposition:
> * Patches are unacceptable unless in the case the software wouldn't work
> *at all* (Hint, qt PKGBUILD)
Simo Leone wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 07:28:13PM +0100, Tobias Powalowski wrote:
Users are happy with the new ISOs, just read the Forum thread about it.
You know what. I don't care if the users are happy with the new ISOs.
That's right, I finally said it.
_I DON'T CARE_
I don't care bec
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