On 8/16/05 9:39 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gary said:
>
> "But there should clearly be a plan as to which direction is
> preferred right?"
>
> There already is. The Redevelopment Plan makes no secret that it is
> overwhelmingly pointed toward residentional development, shun
" As the people who lived through the Stone Pony hay
day die off, it
will be forgotten. You can't preserve everything, nor
should you. "
tim -
in 20 years, when the people who lived through the
early days are older. the stone pony will be
forgotten? what about the people who are my age, that
ar
a law degree will chime in
here defending Sean and Steve.
>
> see also:
> http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20050816/NEWS01/508160364/1004
>
> ~joe
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Gary said:
"But there should clearly be a plan as to which direction is
preferred right?"
There already is. The Redevelopment Plan makes no secret that it is
overwhelmingly pointed toward residentional development, shunning
tourism.
When Duany was here he announced quite clearly that the mov
I don't know who Tim TheInvisibleMan is who posted here today, but so
far I really like him!!!
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I'm sure some Republican apologist with a law degree will chime in here
defending Sean and Steve.
see also:
http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050816/NEWS01/508160364/1004
~joe
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> let us
not forget how Harry's managed to screw up as well.> > Maagement is key.
~~~Management is veryimportant Harrys had to many
people wanting to party & be aManager.Being a Past Commander & Vi
> The Stone Pony, with its name, potential branding power, historic prevalence
> in Springsteen mythology (perceived or earned, it doesn't matter, it
> exists), make it a significant ASSET and one that should be capitalized on,
> rather than discarded glibly as we redevelop our city.
I think Jim
let us not forget how Harry's managed to screw up as well.
Maagement is key.
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my bankruptcy point was it - the NAME has value. Should it be
rebuilt, sure - but bigger and better. The idea of the Stone Pony name
has its value much like the Hard Rock (don't kill me). The BRAND is
it.
Nothing better Jim then the original owner of a real hometown tavern.
Soem of those DO
In a message dated 8/16/2005 6:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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It is not a matter of life going on or not going on Oak. My family has been
in the tavern business for 25 years. Will life go on when my dad sells the
place and/or closes the doors? Yes, of course. But,
> They survived when:
> 1. The Empress was a legend
> 2. The Berkley was closed
> 3. PArk Place burned down
> 4. XANADu's closed
> 5. Clover Club
> 6. Mrs. Jays
> etc...etc. and these were just in our day, right BB? What about
> Montego Bay, Key Largo and the Parrot...or Spanky's, or the Pier or
>
I once worked for a guy in a major (Financial corp - like JJ's).
While i thought my then 21k year job was so important to him as I
prepared to leave he said "best of luck in your new job...". His
point was simple - his job was to make sure my job could be filled
by the next joe (sorry joe).
So
> As the people who lived through the Stone Pony hay day die off, it
> will be forgotten. You can't preserve everything, nor should you.
You can't preserve everything, but you can build a major tourism program
around a few things like the Stone Pony and the Casino and Convention Hall.
The "Ston
On 8/16/05 5:24 PM, "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a 'Stone Pony' in every city in America. From CBGB's to
> Lamours in Brooklyn; to the Whiskey in LA. It is not such a unique
> thing. There is only one Liberty Bell and it has national
> significance not simply local significance
Come on, you must be kidding. The sweedish tourist is not going to
turn things around in Asbury. Besides he has a much better scene back
home in Scandinavia. He has Black Metal. Asbury should go check out
his scene. AAaarg!
As the people who lived through the St
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe
> that a strong Asbury Park tourism trade makes for a strong Monmouth
County
> tourism trade which makes for a strong New Jersey tourism trade. I
see
> Asbury Park leading the way.
>
> For a town to throw away thin
There is a 'Stone Pony' in every city in America. From CBGB's to
Lamours in Brooklyn; to the Whiskey in LA. It is not such a unique
thing. There is only one Liberty Bell and it has national
significance not simply local significance. That's a terrible example.
You should also notice tha
> In terms of what the majority wants for AP, far be it from me to say
> it does not matter. But in one sense, the majority is supposed to
> elect officials who create a sensible master plan. In reality,
> perhaps that master plan falls short of what the majority really
> wants. However, then we
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gotcha. But there should clearly be a plan as to which direction
is
> preferred right? I mean, what if the master developer is shooting
for a
> direction that the rest of the town disagrees with?
>
> Does anybody really kno
On 8/16/05 4:22 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It isn't fair Gary because the question is so skewered. It sets up
> an "either or" scenario that won't ever exist, as even your own post
> shows.
>
Gotcha. But there should clearly be a plan as to which direction is
preferred r
It isn't fair Gary because the question is so skewered. It sets up
an "either or" scenario that won't ever exist, as even your own post
shows.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/16/05 11:50 AM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hardly a
Skip enough is enough. I'm not asking you any more I'm telling
you. Stop cursing at me and calling me names on this board.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "I would vote for AP to be a year round residential community.
That
> of course is the
On 8/16/05 11:50 AM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hardly a fair poll considering this group! While we're at it, let's
> go to Jon Corzine's campaing headquarters and poll the workers about
> who they are voting for in the governor's race.
>
Why wouldn't this group be fair? It sur
On 8/16/05 11:43 AM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To answer your question Gary, I would vote for AP to be a year round
> residential community.
>
> That of course is the focus of the currnet redevelopment, but I do
> believe it is mixed use as well. The goal is 450,000 square feet
On 8/16/05 11:01 AM, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most people in Belmar do not regret (those EAST of main) - as prices
> have increased more so then elsewhere.
>
There is more to a town than property values. Many people regret what's
happened to the downtown area. Sure, everybody's
"I would vote for AP to be a year round residential community. That
of course is the focus of the currnet redevelopment, but I do believe
it is mixed use as well. The goal is 450,000 square feet of retail
along the ocean and entertainment in the area of the Casino going west
down the lake. Sound
Hardly a fair poll considering this group! While we're at it, let's
go to Jon Corzine's campaing headquarters and poll the workers about
who they are voting for in the governor's race.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll
To answer your question Gary, I would vote for AP to be a year round
residential community.
That of course is the focus of the currnet redevelopment, but I do
believe it is mixed use as well. The goal is 450,000 square feet of
retail along the ocean and entertainment in the area of the Casino
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
AsburyPark group:
Opinion poll only: Given no qualifying criteria -
What should Asbury Park become?
(Credit to Lighty for the poll idea)
o A major tourist destination again.
o A quiet little residential town.
To vote, please
Most people in Belmar do not regret (those EAST of main) - as prices
have increased more so then elsewhere.
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That's not investor owned. 85% of those homes are owned by owner/users.
BIG difference.
Belmar, Bradley were more investor owned - and are slowly changing.
You got M County $ PLUS N. Jersey, NY $ all looking for a little
retreat. Yes, people from M county are buying their own little summer
h
On 8/16/05 10:28 AM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oakdorf said of Belmar:
>
> "With nothing to do with your kids at night - why the hell come??"
>
> Nothing to do with you kids in Avon, Allenhurt and Loch Arbor at night
> either, yet they come.
>
I would say they live there. I
with a couple of family type hotels along with a couple condos,, homes,
clean beaches and a FEW activities for the kiddies - AP would work fine.
You may not want seaside or point, but a little piece of that would
work wonders.
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Dan:
I don't agree that he Oak was right about the type of towns that
they are. Avon Allenhurst and Lock Arbor have always been loaded
with investor owned property, much of it summer and weekend homes.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In AsburyPa
zippo bucks being spent in Allenhurst or loch a at night.
Asbury would be open to 1 or 2 in the am with rides. The operators
would beg to go home.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Oakdorf said of Belmar:
>
> "With nothing to do with your kids at night - why the hell come??"
>
> Nothing to do with you kids in Avon, Allenhurt and Loch Arbor at
night
> either, yet they come.
But he hit it on t
Oakdorf said of Belmar:
"With nothing to do with your kids at night - why the hell come??"
Nothing to do with you kids in Avon, Allenhurt and Loch Arbor at night
either, yet they come.
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Avon is considered a nice family beach but people only go there for
the beach and go home. As for the other two and i may be wrong but
some people like hanging out with the elite and they brag to their
friends that they go to the beach there.
People have been coming to Asbury because of the medi
those towns have always been "trouble fee" with minimal investor
owned real estate. Larger homes which the towns kept a tight rein on
code enforcement,rentals etc. Old time family homes. Allenhurst
became the latest twn to be accepted by the Brooklyn crowd - loch
arbor is slowly changing as wel
Looking for some help with this:
Avon is by far the most crowded and popular beach in the area. Just
packed with people. Looking at the town, they have nothing to
attract tourists. There is one eatery and one store on the
boardwalk. In town there is one restaurant, Columns By the Sea,
whic
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