--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Interesting Read. Especially "their" thoughts on appraising. See page
> 12.
>
> Stick'em all in one room and they all agreed. funny. and they all
meet
> in ac.
>
> I go to AC and I lose.
>
> They go and it's win win.
Judge reserves decision in eminent domain case
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on
03/24/06BY CAROL GORGA WILLIAMSAND
KAREN SUDOLSTAFF WRITERS
FREEHOLD — Owners of property in
an oceanfront section of Long Branch who are fighting the city's plan to acquire
their homes by eminent domain w
Interesting Read. Especially "their" thoughts on appraising. See page
12.
Stick'em all in one room and they all agreed. funny. and they all meet
in ac.
I go to AC and I lose.
They go and it's win win.
http://www.njslom.org/White-Paper_Eminent-Domain-Final.pdf
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> "That depends whether NJ Transit owns the fee simple to the ROW
above
> and below or is just limited to a certain vertical plane above the
> tracks."
> I suspect they don't; the recent transit study proposed buildin
"That depends whether NJ Transit owns the fee simple to the ROW above
and below or is just limited to a certain vertical plane above the
tracks."
I suspect they don't; the recent transit study proposed building a
pedestrian overpass. Wouldn't think they would suggest that without
rights or consent
>
> Why waste valuable surface land to park trucks? Land is not only
> surface, but subsurface and air. Dig down boys! Bury the mothers
under
> the building. In NYC we're putting a HUGE santitation garage (a
whole
> city block, 200' X 800') beneath the surface and building a park on
top
>
Allow them to SELL their assests without being killed on the sale via
taxes. The current system forces investors to "flip up" via a 1031
exchange. This in turn drives up prices, rents etc.
So the small guys are buying what the bigger guys are dumping.
Everyone reads a book and wants to be a lan
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" wrote:
> >
> >> wait a second now you want to move city yard to where you were
> > building a 4 story office bldg.(redo your math there goes some of
you
> > profit) as far as
).
>
> That depends whether NJ Transit owns the fee simple to the ROW above
> and below or is just limited to a certain vertical plane above the
> tracks.
>
don't tell them. They'd never know.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 1. The developer builds a new 4 story building on the corners from
Main
> to Memorial south of Springwood (over the tracks as well connected).
That depends whether NJ Transit owns the fee simple to the ROW above
and be
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> wait a second now you want to move city yard to where you were
> building a 4 story office bldg.(redo your math there goes some of you
> profit) as far as the old smock bucchan site i mean vaccaros site
> arn't condos go
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> What conceivable "frictions" did George have in mind? In Charles
> Hooper's entry on Henry George in the Fortune Encyclopedea of
> Economics, the possibility of clearly separating improvements from
land
> rent is challe
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > someone please do the math, i believe your wrong, in concept i
have
> > no problem with the idea, i just do not believe you crunched the
> > numbers, where further down on Sewall marruccas old warehouse?
> amodios
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> I've made this argument before, as home values increase (and taxes),
> it no longer pays for an investor to hold onto an investment home if
> the equity could be put to use elsewhere. Therefore, there will be
> less h
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Give the following to a real developer in exchange for a new
municenter
> and a % of rent. Dan and JJ can do the math.
>
> 1. The entire piece of land the muni center is on
> 2. The lot occuppied by RR Plaza West of the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Asbury Park spent more per-pupil than any other K-12 district in
> state, rising from $18,661 per student in the 2004-05 year to
$18,893
> this year, according to the report.
>
>
> Now that the city faces a 14 cent school
What conceivable "frictions" did George have in mind? In Charles
Hooper's entry on Henry George in the Fortune Encyclopedea of
Economics, the possibility of clearly separating improvements from land
rent is challenged. Hooper wrote:
Henry George's proposed tax on one piece of land, is, in effec
> > someone please do the math, i believe your wrong, in concept i have
> no problem with the idea, i just do not believe you crunched the
> numbers, where further down on Sewall marruccas old warehouse?
amodios
> old green houses? guess you know im an old timer because 90 percent
of
> you n
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Give the following to a real developer in exchange for a new
municenter
> and a % of rent. Dan and JJ can do the math.
>
> someone please do the math, i believe your wrong, in concept i have
no problem with the idea, i
BB: particularly section 8 landlords...
Having placed a few Section 8 tenants into housing, I've heard the
stories. Many Section 8 tenants are simply in one big vacumn - they
can't get out. Some are there for other reasons - drugs, abuse,
education etc. I'm a softy - If the landlord wants to ac
I question the city and developer's actions regarding what I had
thought a standard clause in real estate agreements.
Real estate agreements generally contain an actual or implied warranty
that time is of the essence.
It is one thing for the city to gift The Fishman Asbury's lands over
30 yea
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Give the following to a real developer in exchange for a new
municenter
> and a % of rent. Dan and JJ can do the math.
>
> 1. The entire piece of land the muni center is on
> 2. The lot occuppied by RR Plaza West of the
Chamber of Commerce sucks. They wouldn't know
it if Cookman Ave. fell into the Ocean.
No one ever has liked the chamber or other groups. Everyone has their
own agenda. Another example.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> "With the amount of money that has been dumped into AP...makes you
> wonder."
>
> How much money has been dumped into Asbury?
>
Where do you want to start?
1. Schools.
2. Social Services
3. Grants
4. Affordable Hous
Give the following to a real developer in exchange for a new municenter
and a % of rent. Dan and JJ can do the math.
1. The entire piece of land the muni center is on
2. The lot occuppied by RR Plaza West of the tracks
3. Both south corners of Springwood/Main, Springwood/Memorial.
In exchange,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> With the amount of money that has been dumped into AP...makes you
> wonder.
>
> And BB, politics has always played a role in AP. That's why it is
where
> it is today. Some people like AP exactly as it is today, and don'
"With the amount of money that has been dumped into AP...makes you
wonder."
How much money has been dumped into Asbury?
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With the amount of money that has been dumped into AP...makes you
wonder.
And BB, politics has always played a role in AP. That's why it is where
it is today. Some people like AP exactly as it is today, and don't want
to see any change. For some, it has been a great big piggy bank. They
fear l
don't get me going on the billion or so APBOE has received just in
STATE AID (not your property tax $).
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Asbury Park spent more per-pupil than any other K-12 district in
state, rising from $18,661 per student in the 2004-05 year to $18,893
this year, according to the report.
Now that the city faces a 14 cent school tax increase what should our
School Board do, cut the budget or raise taxes?. All
You take it back? Great. Make me feel like a jerk for being so
sarcastic in my post to you adn Skip.
I hate it when people are nice to me. I hate it when the other guy
takes the high road and leaves me standing there alone.
You win this round.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <
`"By the way you always call people ignorant and uneducated and other
nasty things in your posts when it comes to planning." Still don't
see how you both expanded the scope of my complaint beyond planning?
Hmmm... bet everyone else does.'
Expansion spansion; so what?
You get yourself into tro
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> Skip and Dan here was my complaint right from my post about Werner:
>
> "By the way you always call people ignorant and uneducated and
other
> nasty things in your posts when it comes to planning."
>
> Now please g
Skip and Dan here was my complaint right from my post about Werner:
"By the way you always call people ignorant and uneducated and other
nasty things in your posts when it comes to planning."
Now please go back and read the last 5 words there. Read it as many
times as you must to realize you bot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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>
> Then I guess you missed this from his post to me this morning:
>
> "If so you display your ignorance in the subject, as you have in the
> past regarding other planning issues."
While one who lies can be called a
`"If so you display your ignorance in the subject, as you have in the
past regarding other planning issues." So confident I am that he calls
anyone who disagrees with him on planning ignorant or uneducated that
'
Tom, (hope you appreciate my using your alias) your argument with
Werner, over his ch
In a message dated 3/24/2006 3:55:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
selection of excluded properties certainly appears to have been
biased.Many of the "Bergh St Properties" had recently been
purchased by gay buyers. While other properties similarly situat
The County government spent $11 million already in 2006 buying
property in Middletown for open space.
Wasn't Fishman's cost to buy the Waterfront Rights in AP $13 million?
Middletown also received a $125,000.00 grant from the state for their
arts community. NJMOF anyone?
I'm trying to sound t
I caught that too Joe. Tinfoil hat conspiracy fiction.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> At 8:53 AM + 3/24/06, wernerapnj wrote:
> >The selection of excluded properties certainly appears to have been
> >biased.
> >
> >Many of the "Bergh St Propert
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for Werner, I didn't see him call anyone here stupid or ignorant.
Then I guess you missed this from his post to me this morning:
"If so you display your ignorance in the subject, as you have in the
past regarding othe
At 8:53 AM + 3/24/06, wernerapnj wrote:
>The selection of excluded properties certainly appears to have been
>biased.
>
>Many of the "Bergh St Properties" had recently been purchased by gay
>buyers. While other properties similarly situated on Webb St but owned
>by hetero folks were slated for
In a message dated 3/24/2006 7:08:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Werner
you forgot about the corner house. What councilman saved that? I don't
believe that owner has any clout.
That corner house was residual damage, the Partners lost one extra house/
lot in
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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>
> By the way your county government spent $11 million preserving
land
> in Middletown THIS YEAR ALREADY. Wht could AP do with even a $3
> million kick? If you think AP is ever going to get 10 cents of
money
> li
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> Dan, being the "new guy" on the block you are most likely not
aware
> that preservation planning is what was asked of the Council by the
> public. The economic benefits have long been known since NJ did
one of
> t
Werner you go from Home Rule to the State plan in the same post
below. Do you review your posts before hitting send? You came full
circle there.
Two posts from this one you further prove my point when you talk
about the beachfront being a state park, which plays right into the
point I made th
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
> >
> >
Werner you forgot about the corner house. What councilman saved that?
I don't believe that own
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
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> >
Why take one home on Fifth ? Without the Salvation Army that half of
the block is worth nothing. That's why it wasn't taken.
..I have heard rumors (I ha
Dan, being the "new guy" on the block you are most likely not aware
that preservation planning is what was asked of the Council by the
public. The economic benefits have long been known since NJ did one of
the first formal studies on the subject.
Look at the files section : PreservationPlan.pd
Now there's an astute observation. and sense.
When the "PLAN" was sold to the public we were promised new ratables
within a year, in addition to the entire beachfront becoming a ratable.
What have we got almost 6 years later??. Increasing tax bills!!
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.c
Sure jump on the bandwagon of more bad planning. Destroy what little
is left of the City's downtown/main street character. What are the
costs of this idea in total concept? Physical and social?
Re: Police: all they need to do is WALK the downtown to make it
safer. Hire clean-up personal that we
Exactly why the City should have entered into partnership with the
County and State. The idea of an oceanfront park is not new, and it has
a lot of merit.
The County Parks system has the money, political clout and expertise to
have restored the Casino for public use as it was intended for.
Ext
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...I have heard rumors (I hate saying that but I
> don't know if they are true) that the condemnation lines were
> changed when the plan was being developed so that properties of
> friends of the then council were taken o
Tom, The "Overlords" you speak of have nothing to do with planning
policies in AP. As you know, or so I would hope, NJ is a home-rule
State in that local municiplities have responsibility for their own
fate.
The poor planning and performance in AP is directly attributable to
our own dysfunctio
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