Present: Dep. Mayor Jim Bruno, Jim Keady, Ed Johnson
Madison Marquette workshop presentation was cancelled.
Bruno said Madison Marquette and Asbury Partners have "finalized their
deal, but we haven't finalized our deal" yet. He deferred to City Mgr
Terry Reidy who said, Madison Marquette was sche
i retract my statement. where i agreeded to a post, commenting that its
possiable the lights would be replaced in 30 years!
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oh all right, that makes more sence. who knows, it might be a good idea. im
thinking in general, as time goes on, and more and more things open on cookman,
the atmosphere will change. just think of what the area was like 5 years ago,
when nothing was there. everything loo
trader -
not sure if your being sarcastic with us, or serious! ha. but, interesting
thoughts there. im sure your right. in the future, those lights will be
replaced. just like lights have been repalced in the past, as things becasme
out of style, or new things came along. i just flipp
Their job wouldn't be to fight crime, but to be eyes and ears and
simply add to security through their presence. Provide some
training and some radios.
If you've got two uniformed people on every other street corner from
7-11pm, you'll make people feel safer and make the liklihood of
anythi
some 30 years from now a group of concerned citizens, public officials,
and city hall employees will take a long hard look at the brand new
lights "we're" looking at and they will say that the asbury waterfront
is doing so fine that it is clearly time to buy new lights and let them
shine.
some
""In AP what has happened is that while trying to speed redevelopment
we have lost sight of our own unique identity. They are advertising
us as SoHo meets South Beach, kind of rediculous isn't it?""
im sure some hints of asbury parks music scene wouldnt hurt the advertising
any. that hasn
its true, all the roads have been narrowed. i didnt like it at first,
and probably still dont. however, i think the curve in front of
convention hall will turn out to be a good thing. it does give more
of a platform for convention hall to rest on, instead of being directly
on the road. als
i dont remember the exact circumstances, but whats the word on the re
opening of the other half of 7th (?) ave? i remeber something about it
being opened only if asbury partners owned it? or is that all wrong?
now that the hotel has been sold into private hands, what does that
mean for the r
"In AP what has happened is that while trying to speed redevelopment
we have lost sight of our own unique identity. They are advertising
us as SoHo meets South Beach, kind of rediculous isn't it?"
it does sound rediculous! but maybe thats where asbury is headed. soho
MEETS south beach, a
"No guns. No record. Must have good grades, etc... There's
definitely ways to make it work."
no, i ment having the kids walk the streets would make it safe for visitors
againts possiable crime? but what about the safty of the kids? their not
exactly trained in fighting of crime, if anythi
all right, so your saying the 20s and 30s might be the best time period to
retract lighting from. what about the 40s and 50s? didnt the lights change
during those periods? and then again in the 60s maybe? i dont have pictures
in front of me right now, so i wont claim to notice changes. but i
"If Asbury doesn't have a historically unique character, then why does the
council hall have
images of the heyday of AP on it's wall. And why are those images on banners
around the
city etc?"
they showcase some of the citys past archiecture, and unuique character. no
one said asbury par
"Charlie, Why do persist in asserting that there will be trees in the
center island? The planning board specifically rejected that plan in
order to preserve the view."
didnt know that. i was just going by all the diamgrams and what not online.
that will be good for the view then. im sur
justifiedright-
ha! well, there is no competition here. im just posting what i see. asbury
park has alwasy changed. you can look at a new buidling and say it doesnt
belong. whos to say it doenst belong? do we have to put every new building of
feature into a certain time frame from the
OceanChuck wins. The debate is over.
Asbury Park does not have a unique character all its own; never
did. As Chuck notes, it has chnaged many times and is left today
with many different appearances.
That's why Werner's hand-wringing of something being "historically
correct" is, well historic
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> is the howard johnsons building suitiable for asbury park? too
modern? at what point does asbury parks history set the footprint
for the citys historical values?
when the "new" casino was built in the 50
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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what era of asbury park did the lights reflect what your talking
about? im looknig at old pictures, and even some from very long ago,
look like an older version of the large cobra head ilghts. is this the
type of
No guns. No record. Must have good grades, etc... There's
definitely ways to make it work.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> putting highschool kids as patroll walkers at night? not so sure
that would make a good idea. whos to say these kids
If Asbury doesn't have a historically unique character, then why does the
council hall have
images of the heyday of AP on it's wall. And why are those images on banners
around the
city etc?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> OceanChuck wins. The
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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there are going to be trees in the center trinagles though. i think
once they grow a little, you will be able to see right "through" them.
with the only the trunks showing, considering branches dont start for
10
I guess it depends on which period you are going to choose. 1930's or 1970's
these seem to be highlights in Asbury. For 1970's I would guess it would be
the basic ugly cobra lights. Maybe since Asbury has such a varied history a
new look would be welcomed.
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I'll tell you what i'd like to see more of. The guy with the bicycle pedicab
thing that used to
ride people around on the BW. If we had a few of those to usher people too and
from
parking/cookman it would be both a great solution and fun for the people using
it.
Jack
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putting highschool kids as patroll walkers at night? not so sure that would
make a good idea. whos to say these kids would be safe? do they get to carry
guns too?
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is the howard johnsons building suitiable for asbury park? too modern? at
what point does asbury parks history set the footprint for the citys historical
values? im guessing your talking about the very begining, from the 1800s?
that would be most historically correct, but asbury park has al
werner -
i think i must have miss read something you said at one point. i thought at
one point you said the lights should releate to the buildings? you, or someone
else im guessing spoke of the lights not blending in with the curent buidlings,
or any of the planned ones??? implying the l
I also agree that people should be willing to park and walk a block
or two. That said, if we're going to expect people to do that the
city must make absolutely, positively certain that we create a safe
environment that will make people feel comfortable doing that.
Perhaps just as important is
"Charlie, the islands are not going to going to have trees. That was the
whole point - not to have visual obstructions of the view down the
street corridor."
i agree, that would go along with your theory of an open corridor. however,
having trees in the center i dont think will block any
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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it could have been done in a different way, and still covered all the
points. but the fact that a historical style lighting fixture wasnt
chosen may be the cause of this hatred... . :-)
:-) back at you. There is
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> I DON'T remember thinking: "Let's make sure we stay historically
> accurate to an exacting extent so has not to offend the
> sensibilities of the City Historian."
>
> You have to start thinking in real world terms
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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are you sure your own persoanl views on the lights arnnt clouding your
judgement??
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Charlie, Its never personal. Its knowing what is documented as
historically significant, knowing the
Thanks for clarifying that. I thought I should've been flattered because the
guy was trying to
pick me up. If I see him again i'll call the cops.
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> "Hard" is a street name for Crack cocaine.
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> Tom
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Y
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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... the lights are modern, yes. but, how do they not fit in with the
buildings going up and planned is the question? from what ive seen,
most of the buildings have a modern edge, some hinting at older
styles. is th
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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... but now im cosndering the fact that there may be too many of them,
now that i see more and more of them. HOWEVER, in the end, i think it
will look nice. keep in mind those cente triangled, onces landscaped,
and
"Hard" is a street name for Crack cocaine.
Tom
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Chuck, I wished more people thought like you about parking!
Nothing at all wrong with walking. It's healthy.
One of my pet peeves is going to a grocery store and seeing people trolling
around like
sharks for the closest parking space. I can understand elderly and disabled
people parking
close t
I have not seen them at night I will have to see but it seems to make sense to
have several low lights rather than just a few. This way the light is even
instead of bright and dark spots. Landscaping will aid in blending.
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What's a Wall Township guy doing at 3rd and Main at midnight?
Anything good? Doubt it. I could be wrong. Doubt it.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ASBURY PARK Police are searching for the three robbers who
approached a Wall resident
> on the stre
i think the downtown has a long LONG way to go before there is a real parking
problem. with the steinbach building almost ready to open, there will be more
reasons to park. but i don think any real problems will happen for years.
when i go to the dubblin house in red bank i dont even park on
"I DON'T remember thinking: "Let's make sure we stay historically
accurate to an exacting extent so has not to offend the
sensibilities of the City Historian."
all right, im not sure that makes any sence at all. im on your side with
respect TO THE POINT you were trying to make werner. yo
ASBURY PARK Police are searching for the three robbers who approached a Wall
resident
on the street early this morning.
One of the robbers punched the 41-year-old Wall man, knocking him down, and
while he
was on the ground, one of the men rifled through his pockets, said Lt. Dave
Kelso.
Th
" But I do believe the area needs to be treated like a parking lot. This is
where people will park and walk and they must be seen."
i dont know about a parking lot, but your point is understood! also, if
youve seen these lights turned on at night, youd know they dont give off a
harsh bri
A couple years back my wife and I were leaving a show at the Pony,
and had to walk down Kingley Street to our car. About 12:30 am.
Along the way, we had to pass in front of about a dozen rowdy older
teenages in gang-banger looking attire who were becoming rowdier as
we approached.
I do remem
werner -
"Regarding design - Street lighting should relate to the streets not the
buildings as you assert. It is a public amenity that should acknowledge
and reinforce the history and significance of Asbury Park's street grid."
maybe im miss reading something, and if i am, sorry befor
"Not sure about the costs and I am not going to post claims that I can't back
up however many new lights are much more efficient so more lights may not equal
a greater cost. "
exactly! almost the same as what i posted a minute ago. i read and post
right after, before reading all the post
"More lights translates into less crime. The cost for the extra lighting will
be more than made up with the safety of the population. The lights are modern
and very attractive and should blend in nicely with the new buildings and
pavilions that are going up."
agreeded. the lights are mo
werner-
interesting comments. i brought up the topic of lights a few weeks ago, but
no one on here seemed to roll with the topic. its good you brought it up
again. i like the style of the lights, they look good in my eyes. but now im
cosndering the fact that there may be too many of th
>
>
> Keep thinking about it - you'll come around :-)
>
To be honest, when I saw those lights, I thought of you - and asked
myself - "wonder what Werner thinks.."
Enough said.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Werner,
>
> I almost agree with you. I happened to be driving with my daughter
the
> other night and saw those "new" lights caught my eye as well. Like u
> said, there are quite a few packed in. The lights aren't as ta
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FYI: Railroad Plaza (Springwood and Memorial) - which was a DWEK
> property, was sold (closed), last Thrusday. Selling price was
> $1,450,000. Hopefully they will spruce the place up.
>
Werner,
I almost agree with you. I happened to be driving with my daughter the
other night and saw those "new" lights caught my eye as well. Like u
said, there are quite a few packed in. The lights aren't as tall, so
you need more? Does look like over kill - for now.
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> Great plan. Move the fire house as well. Lets face it all those
buildings need to be replaces and the municipal complex is an eyesore.
New stores and parking would help cookman and would be a great kick
start for main street.
>
FYI: Railroad Plaza (Springwood and Memorial) - which was
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Bit harsh. You can not compare to Walmart. Not the same types of
lights that Walmart would ever purchase due to the costs. Hard to say
that too much light is produced untill all is lit. Could be a lower
watt ligh
Has anybody else had trouble finding parking in the Cookman area during the
weekends?
While Cookman is looking and doing well, i'm a bit worried that the parking
situation in the
future might become difficult, particularly in the Market in the Middle area.
I guess in a way that's good news thoug
Bit harsh. You can not compare to Walmart. Not the same types of lights that
Walmart would ever purchase due to the costs. Hard to say that too much light
is produced untill all is lit. Could be a lower watt light? But I do believe
the area needs to be treated like a parking lot. This is w
Great plan. Move the fire house as well. Lets face it all those buildings
need to be replaces and the municipal complex is an eyesore. New stores and
parking would help cookman and would be a great kick start for main street.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> More lights translates into less crime. The cost for the extra
lighting will be more than made up with the safety of the population.
The lights are modern and very attractive and should blend in nicely
with the new buildings and pav
I personally prefer a well lit area. I think a mix of styles is esthetically
pleasing. Not sure about the costs and I am not going to post claims that I
can't back up however many new lights are much more efficient so more lights
may not equal a greater cost. This may help the boardwalk at ni
I've called the police a number of times when I see prostitutes in my
neighborhood.
I think that activity has been dramatically reduced, which is great.
I do see a few guys driving around occasionally that were looking for pro's
this summer,
including one who I observed getting a BJ in front of
More lights translates into less crime. The cost for the extra lighting will
be more than made up with the safety of the population. The lights are modern
and very attractive and should blend in nicely with the new buildings and
pavilions that are going up.
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From:
To be honest, I don't think it was a drug buy.
First off, I don't fit the MO of a drug dealer at all.
I think he was looking for something else entirely.
Something that can also be referred to as "hard"
That being said, what would the police arrest him on?
I guess you are right about the cell phone
Several folks have noticed the new light fixtures being installed
around the beachfront - shiney silver, look like bug zappers.
Overall, the comments have been good, that its a sign of progress and
sets the tone for the New Asbury Park. All positive observations but
has anyone considered the ne
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