Re: [AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
"At the luncheon, MM made it clear that the "hotel/retail" concept made no sense with retail on floor 2 etc etc. IMO, if you look at what MM wants with the casino and all the land that is available to redevelop along cookman all the way to grand, asbury ave etc, they may be able to come up with a

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread restore881FM
Oak - You mean Asbury Partners must be getting itchy to collect their 7% commissions on those condo sales? I think your summation is probably on the money - pun intended. As for new police, we have had the cars patrolling Ocean Ave and sitting outside the construction sites for a long time. But

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oakdorf - I don't follow what you're saying, or maybe i've missed something. What part of the retail in Wesley Grove is being re worked? At the luncheon, MM made it clear that the "hotel/retail" concept made no sense wit

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread oakdorf
> > Ouch - As the chorus sings "Well at least my property value has increased" > > Werner > It doesn't matter if it increased if you WANT to stay put but can't afford to. Anytime you want to sell, feel free to call. Yahoo! Groups Links <*>

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Until there is a large budget surplus and taxes decrease, don't be > quick to call this a > > success. > > > > Werner > > > > you (and I) will be dead by then. > > Don't forget your tax increase on your home, soon

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
Oakdorf - I don't follow what you're saying, or maybe i've missed something. What part of the retail in Wesley Grove is being re worked? Or was a bad idea to begin with, going by MM? Do you mean the 2 retail stores at the corner of the Wesley Grove project? More were planned? or less? con

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
"Or maybe the truth is that they don't expect to have nightclubs anywhere near those islands..." ha! Time will tell on that. I really dont think they have plans to move or close the Stone pony. But we will see what happens. - Ready for the edge of

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
apoojo - That wasn't my quote. BTW, yes Werner has a lot of points that are true, as you said. - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't put the blame on Asbury Partners for the crime; I do wonder > why it didn't seem to be that important to them. That's just the way > it looked to me over the past several years. > It wasn't. Nor was doing anyt

[AsburyPark] Greetings From Asbury Park film/Eminent Domain

2007-06-01 Thread Greg
I wrote about the movie "Greetings From Asbury Park" on my blog at http://blog.myspace.com/zigory. If you would like to support the film's distribution, or contribute to the fight against eminent domain abuse, or just attend a screening, please contact Christina Eliopoulos, at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread oakdorf
> > Until there is a large budget surplus and taxes decrease, don't be quick to call this a > success. > > Werner > you (and I) will be dead by then. Don't forget your tax increase on your home, soon. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yaho

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yea grass grows and sod can be replaced, but when your 10 million in > debt already is it wise spending? as far as that club im willing to > bet it will be there another 2 to 3 years, >==

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread Gary Wien
I don't put the blame on Asbury Partners for the crime; I do wonder why it didn't seem to be that important to them. That's just the way it looked to me over the past several years. On Jun 1, 2007, at 4:11 PM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECT

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread oakdorf
> debt already is it wise spending? as far as that club im willing to > bet it will be there another 2 to 3 years, > thats safe, since MM doesn't plan on having anything at the casino til 2010 - at least. So i was about the only one on the bw this afternoon eating. Walk up to the paramount (w

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > Or maybe the truth is that they don't expect to have nightclubs > > anywhere near those islands... > > > > Grass grows, is replaceable. And if you really, rea

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or maybe the truth is that they don't expect to have nightclubs > anywhere near those islands... > Grass grows, is replaceable. And if you really, really think that "that" nightclub will remain where it is. MM is

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > we also have a new cheif of police and additional officers. Mark has been effectively running the pd for a long while despite not having the title of chief. he has been doing good work all along. I don't credit the

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread Hinge
Sadly, that probably is the truth... And I don't think anybody is beating up on Werner. I'm certainly not...but if my thread makes it sound that way, I apologize. My point is this...there has to come a point where we stop complaining and lamenting the loss of things we already know are long gone. I

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It would be great if MM is leading the charge. If so, that kind of > backs up what many have said for years that Asbury Partners really > didn't have a clue what they were doing. And now we're seeing > someone wh

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread oakdorf
the police are to police. the developers to build. the property owners to maintain their homes. the marketing guys market and... the lead money guys to profit. Then everyone put pressure on each other to do their jobs. Seems to be working pretty good. What was the fire department doing at Wesle

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or maybe the truth is that they don't expect to have nightclubs > anywhere near those islands... > -- 3 years ago i would of agreed with you, but since the real estate collapse, condos ain

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread Gary Wien
Or maybe the truth is that they don't expect to have nightclubs anywhere near those islands... On Jun 1, 2007, at 3:48 PM, apoojo wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The new lights look inviting somehow. I'm sure Werner will have issue with this

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The new lights look inviting somehow. I'm sure Werner will have issue with this statement, but I like it." > > am replying to many posts not just this one, why is every one beating up on werner? i disagree with some

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread Allan Peterson
we also have a new cheif of police and additional officers. - Original Message From: asburycouple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 2:28:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park Gary, I couldn't agree mor

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread asburycouple
Gary, I couldn't agree more with your statements on Asbury Partners... I'm just grateful there's finally someone driving these efforts who actually seems to have a clue. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Yo

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread Gary Wien
This is something I never understood about Asbury Partners. They have so much invested in town yet seemed relaxed when it came to improving the crime/prostitution/drug problem of the city. IMO, unless those three factors change it's still going to be very difficult to sell these new condo

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread asburycouple
A coincidence that after several years of wondering why they aren't doing this it happens as MM is driving to make the area more people friendly? I doubt it. I may be wrong, but another kudo in my mind for MM. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yup, a

Re: [AsburyPark] At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
"The new lights look inviting somehow. I'm sure Werner will have issue with this statement, but I like it." The lights do look nice. Their different, not what many thought would come maybe, but i like them too. At first there seemed to be lights everywhere, but as things progress an

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
Asbury park seems to be different at the moment, but when things get closer to "the end," the past may come back in some form. A good point brought up is (forgot who said it), AP has been down for so long, would bringing back the past be fake? What was 30 years ago is over. Hopefully we

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New poll for AsburyPark

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
The poll was intended to be simplistic. A simple yes or no. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.

Re: [AsburyPark] Restoration, Rehabilitation, Reuse...

2007-06-01 Thread charlie
"Preservationists are highly misunderstood. The usual battle cry from the opposing side it that preservationists want to hold back progress, cling to the past, live in a museum, etc. Such descriptions are inevitably those of the ignorant and ill-informed." Good points. I think most p

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread Hinge
Yup, and it's about time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > The arrests were made as part of an undercover, ongoing operation to > combat prostitution > > throughout the city, Capt. David Kelso sa

[AsburyPark] Re: Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The arrests were made as part of an undercover, ongoing operation to combat prostitution > throughout the city, Capt. David Kelso said. Told ya. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http:

[AsburyPark] Four arrested for prostitution in Asbury Park

2007-06-01 Thread Hinge
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 06/1/07 BY MICHELLE SAHN Post Comment ASBURY PARK — Police arrested four city women on prostitution charges after they flagged down undercover police officers and offered sexual services for a fee, authorities said. Police said they also arrested a 35-year

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Thumbs DOWN on the city website

2007-06-01 Thread Allan Peterson
Maybe somebody is reading. In Tom's Gilmor's email blast today: "I want to apologize also for my failure to get the beach cam on the city web site up and working again. Our last site at the Berkeley Carteret Hotel was the best and we have tired in vain to contact the new owners. I am committed

Re: [AsburyPark] At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread Allan Peterson
I agree. Sick of heaing the bitching, moaning and crying because things are not being done the way one person believes it should be. Very closed minded. In the 30's Asbury was new and grand. Lets face it that died. Time to be new and grand again. - Original Message From: Hinge

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread asburycouple
I also completely agree with you Hinge. I give MM tremendous credit for delivering on what they promised when I certainly didn't think they had a chance (Howard Johnsons opening by Memorial Day weekend) and driving significant overall improvements in time for the season. I was extremely skept

[AsburyPark] Re: At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread arhythmick
I completely agree with this statement. Although I am not someone who has too much history with Asbury park from the past, what is drawing me here is not the buildings or even the history... it is the people. The people who I have met here are dynamic, passionate, interesting and fun! You have

[AsburyPark] At what point do we stop complaining and start embracing?

2007-06-01 Thread Hinge
This morning, I was noticing the new grass on the updated traffic island on 1st ave. and I think it looks great. Big improvement. It also looks great at night as I approach my home. The new lights look inviting somehow. I'm sure Werner will have issue with this statement, but I like it. That

[AsburyPark] The Coaster

2007-06-01 Thread dfsavgny
Anyone see the Coaster on line? The first story is "Season Starter" and the caption says it is a photo from the Ocean Grove beachfront. Sure look like it is from AP, otherwise Casino would be blocking the way. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.ya

[AsburyPark] Re: New poll for AsburyPark

2007-06-01 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Are you satisfied with the new Paramount entrance/ courtyard? > > o Yes, it looks nice! > o No, i liked the old one! = The better question(s) would be: Is

[AsburyPark] Restoration, Rehabilitation, Reuse...

2007-06-01 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are differenves between restoring a building, and restoring someting to the point where it becomes more of a musem then a functional restored building. We want these places to be used, not looked at. Hope what

[AsburyPark] I Need Your Help If You Can

2007-06-01 Thread justifiedright
Dear Group, Each year since the 4th of July Parade started here in Asbury, I dress my kids up as clowns and they march the parade giving out toys/trinkets to the children lining the parade route. We have a truck that stores the toys, and they march behind grabbing the toys and running them to