--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> Redevelopment from a city/town perspective does not have a profit motive
>
> But from a developer/builder perspective it is 100% a profit motive
>
> Companies just don't build to benefit communtities and its citizens, that is
>
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
>
> And how can you pick on IStar?
> Now bumped over $10 per share.
> That $1,000 investment now $9200. Only if
>
> They are getting about $3 BILLION in refinancing/financing from gvt saved JP
> Morgan.
>
> So you will say that has noth
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:.
>
> And werner, you can have all the advisors you want. All the experts. Look at
> wesley grove as an example.
>
Oak, I am intrigued, please explain what you mean by that comment.. an example
of what?
Werner
--
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@... wrote:
>
> _City loses bid to cut ties with redeveloper | The Asbury Park Press |
> APP.com_ (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011102280337)
>
-
"..."Although this court appr
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
>
> It was not condescending but genuine. You find the continual need to nitpick
> and force others into your realm of conformity. The WRA is the redevelopment
> agreement, contract or whatever you want to call it. That is correct yes?
> T
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
>
> Stop living in the past. The current and effective terminology is WRA and
> that should be used until it is changed. Using old terminology only confuses
> the issue.
>
My first reaction took that as a condescending comment made from a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
> > Some clarifications to avoid any confusion, I assume you are taking WRA as
> > Waterfront Redeveloper Agreement (the Contract)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
>
> 2. What if they want to and can recapture a major portion of their $ by
> working the infill area first - selling off those rights/land to a
> subdeveloper? That would mean the ED may be used and they can fill in from
> grand then head
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Vinnie" wrote:
>
>
> This story was fascinating to follow over the last few years as a fan of
> Asbury, but as of 3 weeks ago I am now a taxpayer - closed on a 7th Ave house
> :) and renovating now with my wife. We're very excited and are in - for
> bette
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
>>
First the WRA has to be officially dead, and it is not. That is part of the
court case (I assume). The WRA does not allow the city to take property in the
redevelopment zone without Partners' approval. That also I assume is one of the
pe
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Teddysea@... wrote:
>
> Well, i'm feeling reckless today so let's throw out some ideas. Since
> iStar owns the property but not the development rights then why don't we
> restart our redevelopment. Why not find those old plans in City Hall that I
> keep
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Bill Carroll wrote:
>
>
> Glad to see your post Werner... as always true and intelligent it is
> too bad that your knowledge, heart and passion for preservation could not be
> used in a community that would embrace and respect your dedication.
>
Than
A quote from Maureen's report at asburyradio.com...
"The road to purgatory is paved with good intentions," said Aaron.
Flash back to 1999..
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/347
"The recent discussions about what is reality in Asbury Park concern me. It
appears that people
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyst...@... wrote:
>
> thank you for posting that werner. very interesting to read.
>
> -steve
>
You are most welcome - I am still a student of Asbury Park in spite of the City
having tortured me for 10 years.
An interesting passage is...
"...Ho
or Not learning from history and past mistakes.
"...The City of Asbury Park is a seashore resort with a resident population of
15,000. It presents a familiar picture of optimistic and extravagant municipal
expansion caught in the destructive grip of general economic depression:
elaborate
>From an article on todays Asbury Park Press website (app.com):
"...Asbury Park continued Thursday to clear its streets
to create two-way traffic lanes instead of the single
lanes opened initially for emergency responses,
said Brian Grant, director of engineering and public
works.
Grant said
>From an article on todays Asbury Park Press website (app.com):
"...Asbury Park continued Thursday to clear its streets
to create two-way traffic lanes instead of the single
lanes opened initially for emergency responses,
said Brian Grant, director of engineering and public
works.
Grant said
>From
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I was able to free my vehicle this afternoon and enter the public road, 5th Ave
East of Grand . We have a serpentine one car width path with a 15 feet high
pile of snow in the middle of the road.
Heck Street is completely snowed in and has not seen any attempt at clean-up,
people there are stra
I'm taking your question as facetious. Waiting until there is several feet
accumulated is ridiculous.
The proper process is to start sanding/salting when snowfall starts. Followed
by clearing during the storm so that accumulations on streets do not occur
leading to the stuck vehicles you mentio
The issue is not money... recall that the City has not had any problem spending
money it does not have for the past decade.
The problem is not having the skill set to deal with this. The two most
experienced public works employees were relieved/fired/retired last month.
Werner
--- In AsburyPar
5th Avenue from Grand Ave to the beachfront has been impassable for 2 days. Not
a plow in sight.
This is the worst snow response I have ever seen in 30 years here. And there
have been similar storms. Looking around, it appears that Sunset Ave and Park
Ave across the lake from me are also snow-b
Direct from MM's webpage ...
http://www.madisonmarquette.com/about_us/history
"History -
Transforming Retail Real Estate, Creating Special Places
Founded in 1992, we were an early pioneer of the modern "lifestyle center"
concept. We believed back then that retail destinations had become
homo
"...slated to contain 14 acres of parks, 780,000 square feet of office,
cultural and retail space, as well as 1,000 housing units. In September, The
Washington Post reported:
Construction will require the displacement or demolition of several waterfront
businesses that held 99-year leases, inc
10 years gone by
(written my City Historian Werner Baumgartner)
http://ols12.com/wernerapnj/AsburyPark/PreservationPlan.pdf
http://ols12.com/wernerapnj/AsburyPark/Rypkema-Keynote-2007.pdf
http://ols12.com/wernerapnj/AsburyPark/Rypkema-NJHPA-1996.pdf
http://www.preservation.org/rypkema.htm
http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=innjco20091123198
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "radio881gal" wrote:
>
> Speaking of hard questions, Werner, you asked a few last night.
> And Reidy's nonresponse response prompts a comment from you.
>
> You can't let it hang like that. We've talked about it before. It's a
> confusing mess that contempt of
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre"
wrote:
> Someone told me that Henderson is a long time friend of Loffredo. If
> that's true it sounds sorta incestuous. I could see the current
> council picking a yes man.
>
==
At last night's Council Meeting I anticipated Bill Gray's description
of the 'code enforcement process' to 'dispelled rumors'.
He was a no-show, that item was removed from the agenda.
At public comment time I asked the following:
How many summonses, how much in fines and how much jail time hav
At last nights Council Meeting I anticipated Bill Gray's description
of the 'code enforcement process' to 'dispelled rumors'.
He was a no-show, that item was removed from the agenda.
At public comment time I asked the following:
How many summonses, how much in fines and how much jail time have
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" wrote:
>
> All of my experiences sitting in the council chambers were a hoot to
> me. Ridiculous really. They are not smart people generally speaking. A
> friend who lives out of state for part of the year and is very active
> in his community o
Interesting article about a building in NYC that was built in the early 60s
getting remodeled.
Reminds me of the fate of the 5th Avenue Pavilion remodeling.
http://www.slate.com/id/2208529/
Buildings need not be 'old' to be architecturally significant.
Werner
---
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" wrote:
>
>
> Werner, I am truly sorry for going off on you some weeks ago. I know
> how valuable your knowledge of Asbury is. Your love is clear. But
> science does tell us that perception has a lot to do with us. Is it
> Heisenberg's principle
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" wrote:
>
>
> Complaining IS useless. I even found a site (connected to the work of
> Eckhart Tolle) that aims to end complaining, gossip and criticizing
> http://www.acomplaintfreeworld.org/howitworks.html
>
=
Just look at
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reality
and
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/perception
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re·al·i·ty (r-l-t)
n. pl. re·al·i·ties
1. The quality or state of being actual or true.
2. One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: "the weight
of history and
political realities" Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.
3. The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essen
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> Perceptions are just that, perceptions -- not reality in the collective sense
> An individuals reality perhaps, as in insisting that 2+2+5 in spite of the
> reality being that 2+2+4
===
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jaede...@... wrote:
>
> I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion. Any given individuals
> perception is
their reality. No one can state something as reality without it being skewed by
their
perception. So I guess you can say my reality is that perce
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" wrote:
>
> Putting on my counseling hat here. Reality is always subject to
> perception. Reality being the way things actually exist is always
> influenced by individual perception. Perception being a sensory
> experience of the world around us. P
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" wrote:
>
...a
>
> I just don't see evidence that ap is currently some sort of failure.
...>
>
=
Just because you do not see it doesn't mean it's not there.
Viewing the City from the narrow perspec
re willing to
stand up and say so in spite of all the evidence.
To quote from my document:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/
PreservationPlan.pdf
"Preserving the Character and Sense of Place of Asbury Park"
"...1. The traditional commercial, entertain
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" wrote:
>
> Well, I don't wish to belabor the point, but while I think everyone
> can agree with what your saying here, I still don't see how the
> city "blew" anything vis a vis the Hall of Fame. When you used the
> adverb "again" after "blew it"
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson wrote:
>
> Werner,
>
> I just saw your response and undersatnd you were given jail due to being in
> contempt
of court. To understand, when was the first summonses issued and have those
isses
been addressed? You also say you have been served
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "maubddny" wrote:
>
> If you are forced to live next to an eyesore, it wouldn't make a
> difference to you if the perpetrator was a "big fish" or your beloved
> Werner. Both should punished to the fullest extent of the law and
> fined repeatedly until the sit
Events for 1/12/2009
Start Time 7:00 PM
Title
Planning Board Meeting
Location
Council Chambers
Extra Details
Agenda of the Asbury Park Planning Board
Monday, January 12, 20097:00 PM
Announcement by the chairman in compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act,
Chapter 231, Public Law 19
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "radio881gal" wrote:
>
> Werner -
> I think it's important for the community to have all the grinding
> details on what you're going through, since you really need public
> opinion now. It's my hunch that if citizens were aware of this
> injustice, they would
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote:
>
> Can Metro Homes be fined for leaving us an eyesore, even if it's considered
> temporary?
> It's been sitting there for a year, and despite improvements around it, it
> still makes the
whole
> area look like crap, and they aren't maint
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson wrote:
>
> Werner,
>
> Were you placed in jail due to violations or for not following the
court. I am a bit confused becuase I have not heard of some being set
due to code on a single family residence. I know if someone does not
follow an order,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
>
>
> what about the phoneiz block, mk, drive down..the deep west side
>
...
==
Son
I find the following quite interesting from Maureen's coverage at
asburyradio.com :
"...Councilmember Ed Johnson's request to have the code enforcement official,
who is Bill
Gray, address the council and public in the next work session to clarify the
process that is
followed in enforcing code
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
>
> add a liquor tax of 2.5%
>
What ar you saying?
There should be a tax?
or
There
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote:
>
> Werner,
>
> Thanks for providing me with Bill Grant's name. There are 1200
> spots on the street and approx 580 in the lots paved over by MM. I
> will be doing "a real world, real assumptions" set of analysis to
> determine how much thos
Last friday I appeared in court on the 19 summonses I've been issued. I can not
afford a
lawyer since the proceedings against me have wiped out all my available money.
The Court refuses to assign a public defender stating that I should sell my
home and hire a
lawyer. I was told that "Your on
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote:
>
> Werner,
> It was nice to meet you last week. I wondered if anyone noticed
> that new part on your tax bill that shows what the state is paying
> on your behalf as a homeowner in Asbury.
> How is the town ever going to generate the 45+ mil
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote:
>
> Yes, the city needs every dime it can find.
> But taking those dimes at the risk of perpetuating our bad reputation isn't
> worth it in
my
> opinion.
> Either parking is free, or it isn't, and it's the cities responsibility to
> publi
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote:
>
> Just letting people pay for parking when it's free is complete BS. Werner,
> don't you get
the
> point that one of the issues that AP is constantly dealing with is decades of
> bad PR
about
> the city? So, you get people coming here
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
> Some guy was putting money in the meter...it kept on beeping at him.
> Told him don't bother it's free.
>
> How much has been collected in the "off season".
>
> Need glow in the dark numbers.
>
=
L I as in Long Island ??
Or a Typo I I as in eye-eye captain
Or
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jaede...@... wrote:
>
> Ll
>
> Sent via BlackBerry Bold
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "wernerapnj"
>
> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote:
>
> And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery.
> Great variety of gift-boxed items too.
>
>
> _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/)
>
>
>
> In a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote:
>
> And if you can't afford any art, try some coffee at Asbury Park Roastery.
> Great variety of gift-boxed items too.
>
>
> _http://asburyparkroastery.com/_ (http://asburyparkroastery.com/)
>
>
>
> In a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote:
>
> I don't get it. While I agree with you on certain things, why is it important
> to you to
attack
> people? What's in it for you? If you are so concerned, then why not move here
> and try
and
> make a difference?
>
=
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mark07712" wrote:
>
> Yes, we are all having fun. Some of us will be heading to Watermark
> to watch the snow fall on the beach while sipping cocktails. You
> will be sitting in front of your computer waiting for someone to
> take the bait. Go have some fun a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
>
> $50 BILLION.
>
> An ankle bracelet and a curfew.
>
=
A cracked driveway...
9 months incarceration and a $2.000 fine.
Werner
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Having been unable to find the Tax Sale list on the City webste I
> called the tax collector's
> > office and t
Demolition of cultural and historic sites in the name of Redevelopment.
2008 NJ Endangered Historic Site:
http://tinyurl.com/6ywp8n
To be demolished:
http://tinyurl.com/5z79l3
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can't download it or can't open it on your computer?
> >
>
> Did they not have the columns for amount
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote:
>
>
> SCROOGE: A FUN 3-WAY AT THE VFW
>
> Doug Shapiro, Katherine Pecevich and Linda Marie Larson are the show in
> SCROOGE IN ROUGE, ReVision Theatreâs music-hall style musical romp at
> Asbury
Parkâ
> s VFW Post 1333.
> As the
;
> I can't open the file.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Having been unable to find the Tax Sale list on the City webste I
> called the tax collector's
> > office and they were kind enough to ema
;
> I can't open the file.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Having been unable to find the Tax Sale list on the City webste I
> called the tax collector's
> > office and they were kind enough to ema
hings.
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the AsburyPark
> group.
>
> File: /WernerAP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Standing under these will get you just
> > as wet as standing in the street.
> >
> >
>
> Maybe they
I intentionally posted twice since I see a problem with line returns
in Safari. Anyone else see the first one as broken up lines ?
Thanks - Werner
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Installation of the awnings on the 1st Ave Pavilion has started. I
stopped to take a closer look and take some photos.
I know most will say 'They look nice'. However I want to point out
some technical details that were - Overlooked.
The awnings appeared in the Planning Board renderings to be fun
Installation of the awnings on the 1st Ave Pavilion has started. I stopped to
take a closer
look and take some photos.
I know most will say 'They look nice'. However I want to point out some
technical details
that were - Overlooked.
The awnings appeared in the Planning Board renderings to b
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oak,
>
> I thought of you this evening and your suggestions.
>
> I stayed at The Empress this past weekend. There is a charge on my
> bill called "Occupancy Tax" I have no issue paying it, but do you or
> anyone els
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry to miss it, up in Boston.
>
> >"Asbury Park is all about entertainment, music, events and
> celebrations. That's what its history is. I think that's the soul of
> the community and the heart of the community, so we
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just address the issue.
>
=
Warning - Ignore the Troll
Werner
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
> From what Ive read that seems to have been the intent but AP got
> screwed in that deal.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie wrote:
...
> > I'm not up to date on how things were left with the
> b
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > well it's kind of hard. You can check the new jersey business gateway
> > and search for free under trade names, officers names, LLCs that have
> > "as
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Didn't the ESP shut down this month last year?
> Has anybody heard any updates about it fate, or plans to restart building?
> It's starting to be a real slap in the cities face that there's another
> derelict structure
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can anyone generate a summary of who-has-what in regards to the
> > Oceanfront redevelopmen
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "cwpvt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's been a year, can't the City force them to remove what is there
> if they are not going to use it? Or hire someone to remove it and
> bill the owner. I would assume that if they can arrest someone for a
> porch, they
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If someone knows the actual number of parking spots in town and the
> number of spots in the lots that MM paved, i will take some time and
> do a real world analysis with numbers and assumptions that i think
> make sense.
While doing some research I came across a page of comments about the
new Xanadu complex being built in the Meadow Lands.
Designed by the Rockwell Group, the same architect engaged for our
beachfront who is responsible for the 'Containers'
I thought the following comment was rather connected.
"
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Drink at the meet and greet to the first correct answer.
>
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was certain you wouldn't understand the reference.
>
> Or perhaps you do and don't want to buy me a drink since I was first.
>
> Don't worry about it you can buy the next guy a drink.
>
=
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The accuracy is, if you were trying to sell Wesley grove, do you
really want to show a picture
> of the exterior?
>
> Look at the original "concept" for WG, then what was built. Then the
concept colors for what
> was bui
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It was created by Push (pushhere.com) the orlando florida company
responsible for
> theasburyboardwalk.com
...
> Maybe if the firm was located in Asbury Park with its legenday arts
and music... people
> woudln't be tough
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> photo is reverse image.
>
>
Ding, Ding, Ding - Correct !
One drink of your choice.
Werner
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> The picture was taken in California.
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Brap - Wrong !
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Have a look at this:
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Notice an obvious error?
Drink at the meet and greet to the first correct answer.
Werner
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Can anyone generate a summary of who-has-what in regards to the
> Oceanfront redevelopment ?
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> In the formative years there were many LLCs created by APartners.
> Things hav
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> NO ONE is right about something because of who they are, what they do
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> They are right because they are right, independent of the above.
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> Here's an example:
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> I have a cold.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Here is how the math works. Most investors would be looking for a 10%
> rate of return, maybe more in this environment.
Bottom line via the above scenario is that the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> "The battle lines were familiar, a potent mix of preservationists,
> developers and city politicians"
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> Excerpts from the fourth in a series:
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> Landmarks Preservation Meets Development in a Delicate Urban
> Dance - Series
Jim,
Thank you for your efforts in the face of lacking support.
Public service is a thankless job.
I know...
Werner
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> In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:20:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre"
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Can anyone generate a summary of who-has-what in regards to the
Oceanfront redevelopment ?
In the formative years there were many LLCs created by APartners.
Things have gotten more complex today making it virtually impossible
to determine who we, the public, are actually dealing with.
Perhaps i
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