--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL
> > PROTECTED]>wrote:> > jim,> I am glad to see that you are as appalled by
> > the t
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>
> > jim,> I am glad to see that you are as appalled by the treatment of the >
> prisoners as i am. i have actually been involved in discussions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> >
jim,> I am glad to see that you are as appalled by the treatment of the >
prisoners as i am. i have actually been involved in discussionswith > some that
feel that the prisoners got what was coming to them.> > th
jim,
I am glad to see that you are as appalled by the treatment of the
prisoners as i am. i have actually been involved in discussions with
some that feel that the prisoners got what was coming to them.
the point i was trying to get at was that his orders may have very
well come from up th
Before anyone says it, I'll do it myself; it was an ignorant thing
to say. Sorry, woke up in the middle of the night thinking about
that damn Triangle and couldn't get back to sleep. My Mr. Hyde
republican side has control today.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Skip,
Love your moxie, but the rest of the world sucks.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "SkipDragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> At a time when Americans are said to be motivated by "moral
values"
> the rest of the world wonders "the America we used to know and
love
> is slowly disa
At a time when Americans are said to be motivated by "moral values"
the rest of the world wonders "the America we used to know and love
is slowly disappearing before our eyes". Though many Americans
believe the land of the free continues to attract immigrants due to
its freedom, the United S
excellent point. this is one area that i have always tried to make
clear in discussion about the war. Support for the troops serving is
not mutually exclusive with questioning the war.
i would hope that we, as a country, are all in agreement that the
treatment of vietnam vets, with way to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> >
Jim,> I see your point of view, but can i ask your take on the current >
situation with Spc. Charles Graner Jr and his current conviction > stemming
from the 'abusegate'. I dont want to stir the pot (yeah > right)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> >
Jim,> I see your point of view, but can i ask your take on the current >
situation with Spc. Charles Graner Jr and his current conviction > stemming
from the 'abusegate'. I dont want to stir the pot (yeah > right)
Jim,
I see your point of view, but can i ask your take on the current
situation with Spc. Charles Graner Jr and his current conviction
stemming from the 'abusegate'. I dont want to stir the pot (yeah
right) on terrorists noit being normal POW's. My concern is more
directly linked to someone
john,
for what its worth, i value your input. While you and i have butted
heads before, it was never over a lack of respect for you.
Please keep up challenging my point of view, and i will return the
favor
tony
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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on this whole topic, i have to say that dissent is a duty, when
authority impinges on ones rights.
here are some germane quotes for thought..
tony
"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security.
They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security,
comfort,
Hesh,
I dont hear anyone (at least anyone here) saying that bush is
hitler. But ,for your own sake, please dont downplay the rights
milestone that the patriot act and the patriot act 2 are(as well as
mandate for the national id card, both of which were bundled in the
recently passed securit
John,
As rhetorical as the answer may be, i would have to say that i
would opt for him excercising his rights. We hear all the time about
how it is critical to support the troops because they are fightiong
for our right to free speech. Why on earth would they be exempt from
the same rights
Hesh, that's one hell of a red herring "that the rest of the
planet
ought to learn to get along with us as well, and not try to destroy
us for whatever reason", it never ceases to amaze me how broadly
paranoia grips this nation. Despite America's great, and
seemingly
endless, talent for fash
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Just when we were all wondering what this has to do with Asbury
> Park, the truth comes out.
>
you have to ask the person who brought it in the Almighty Jimmy Keady.
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your
Just when we were all wondering what this has to do with Asbury
Park, the truth comes out.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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For some one to cometo me & ask for a soliders address that served
in Iraq just so he can write him & then I see him speaking out
a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On
1/13/05 10:20 PM, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > > >
wow...this is a scary sentiment..here is a guy who was honorably> > discharged,
did his duty which caused him emotional distress,> > and you are wis
I'm sitting this one out. Hopefully, the one thing we have learned
from the Vietnam era is to give our unilateral support and help to
those who put themselves in harms way despite our personal feelings
about the particular conflict.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99"
<[EMAIL P
It's amazing. People on here take potshots at a government I helped
to elect without one peep, yet I bring a healthy skepticism to a
counter-revolutionary group, and I'm branded everything from selfish
to a Nazi sympathizer. (which is humorously ironic to this history
buff, as nazism was a SO
In a message dated 1/14/2005 8:48:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
given the choice between him exercising his rights & your safety & your pursuit of happiness being ensured, which would you choose?
I cannot speak for Tony to whom your email was addressed, so I will spea
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Helping Veterans - Legacy and Result
On 1/14/05 12:26 PM, "Tyler, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hesh - You make good points. But there are countervailing issues. I think there can be consequences from failing to make analogies to Nazi Germa
On 1/13/05 10:20 PM, "Tony Tedesco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> wow...this is a scary sentiment..here is a guy who was honorably
> discharged, did his duty which caused him emotional distress,
> and you are wishing a terrorists fate on him. all for taking
> advantage of the same rights whi
Title: RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Helping Veterans - Legacy and Result
Hesh - You make good points. But there are countervailing issues. I think there can be consequences from failing to make analogies to Nazi Germany as well. For example: It is estimated that 800,000 people have been
Skip,
While I do agree with your point that we need to learn to get along
with everybody on the planet (which also means that the rest of the
planet ought to learn to get along with us as well, and not try to
destroy us for whatever reason), the extent to which you're willing
to stoop to cri
Tony,
given the choice between him exercising his rights & your safety &
your pursuit of happiness being ensured, which would you choose?
The FBI has documentation that the main source of funding for VVAW
was the KGB. I highly doubt the Soviets were interested in our civil
rights & democracy
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "SkipDragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Legacy and Result of the Actions of VVAW
> The reason that "generation of veterans [was] spit upon, shamed,
> and
> discriminated against" is the direct result of government run
> amuck. Should we "relive newsree
Legacy and Result of the Actions of VVAW
The reason that "generation of veterans [was] spit upon, shamed,
and
discriminated against" is the direct result of government run
amuck. Should we "relive newsreel footage of [another]
overloaded
helicopter retreating in shame from the US embassy in
wow...this is a scary sentiment..here is a guy who was honorably
discharged, did his duty which caused him emotional distress,
and you are wishing a terrorists fate on him. all for taking
advantage of the same rights which you would argue he was there
protecting and enabling for us at home..
Support his efforts? Why? So this generation of veterans can be spit
upon, shamed, and discriminated against like the 2.5 million
veterans of 30 years ago, which is the legacy & direct result of the
actions of VVAW? So we can relive newsreel footage of an overloaded
helicopter retreating in s
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