How could this possibly be good for anyone when they can't even sell the
available units they have now (and that's not even counting the proposed
Metropolitan Hotel structure)? And then there's the question of one developer
essentially "owning" pretty much the entire real estate market. Where I
I'll say. Funny thing is that somebody told me that nobody reads this message
board, so
what's posted here really doesn't matter.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote:
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> > Oh, don't be scared. Nothing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Oh, don't be scared. Nothing to worry about here. If anything, this
is one of the tamer
> message boards that i've seen.
He's afraid that city officials and employees will fire him depending
upon what he posts. Nice atmo
Oh, don't be scared. Nothing to worry about here. If anything, this is one of
the tamer
message boards that i've seen. You want to know what the worst one was? The MB
on
NSYNC.com, which I was unfortunately in charge of for about 6 months. No, i'm
not an
NSYNC fan, I just worked for the comp
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
I answered that twice, I have a yellow streak down my back. Sorry I'm
waek.
But why won't you answer my question about revealing who you really
are?
> Are you a superhero in disguise and you don't want to blow your
co
But why won't you answer my question about revealing who you really are?
Are you a superhero in disguise and you don't want to blow your cover?
Jack
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard
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> >
> Once
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
Once they make the deal with Madison Marquet we will see a lot of
action Dan knows they are for real. But a deal still needs to be a
cut.I just hope the Fish don't try to rape and chase them. With them
still hanin
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>
Once they make the deal with Madison Marquet we will see a lot of
action Dan knows they are for real. But a deal still needs to be a
cut.I just hope the Fish don't try to rape and chase them. With them
still hanin
"But the rendering for Entertainment has the words "New Image To Come" when you click on the picture. Has anyone heard anything about this? Are there new plans to be unveiled or have they officially scrapped the original plans?" that phrase has been there for about a year!! nothing new,
Gary,
I also noticed that several weeks ago. I sure hope the original
concept was scrapped. Remember the renderings presented by SOSH
Architects?
Lamp poles shaped like musical notes
Giant Neon martini glasses and shoes on roofs
Fish shaped signs jumping out of facades.
Bizzare color schemes (Oo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have contcted NJ Division of Taxation to look into the
> sales between Partners and the subdevelopers and it has agreed to do
> so. Stay tuned.
Excellent. While they (AP) may have buddies in the State House willing
to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> That's their specialty - tax investing.
But not tax avoidance.
> Where are hey at as to the "revised" agreement and submitting plans
> for Boardwalk improvements.
>
Good question. They have to Sept 2007 for the new roof
That's their specialty - tax investing. Buying Tax credits. Not
developing.
87 days or so to a New Year.
Where are hey at as to the "revised" agreement and submitting plans
for Boardwalk improvements.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "theshortsalepro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The role of master developer, at least in other high profile
> NJ redevelopment projects, is that of a choreographer/solicitor.
>
Well, NJ is a world onto its own, regardless of the legality. MD in NY,
and most o
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Isn't that the rule: Dress for success - or to sucker someone. Look
> good.
>
> They didn't put a dime into their own offices. At least Kushner did.
> And that's not really working, is it, despite the PR.
My father's
I'd bet a lot of MD's soft costs were subsidized
> by grants or low interest loans from the New Jersey Economic
> Redevelopment Agency, Department of Commerce, even the DOT.
>
AND the City of Asbury Park, the DEP and by anyone who buys a beer in the zone.
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The role of master developer, at least in other high profile
NJ redevelopment projects, is that of a choreographer/solicitor.
The MD (master developer) creates the opportunity and positions itself
in the drivers seat The MD doesn't get the whole pie, but seeks as
many pieces of the pie as po
Unfortunately I fear that the majority of folks in Asbury Park ARE happy and do not
comprehend the disfunction of this redevelopment that those of us with a wider knowledge
base observe.
I wonder if they would be happy if they were shown a list of developers TURNED AWAY by Asbury Partners o
> > I may set up a meeting with the
> > principals because I am not sure they realize what the perception
of
> > the community is of them. I think they believe that we view them as
> > saviors. Won't reality be a shock.
Dan,
I really don't think they give a rat's ass what anyone thinks. If yo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Just had lunch with a friend at the Harvard Club who is a partner
> and friend of the principals of Asbury Partners...
...
> I may set up a meeting with the
> principals because I am not sure they realize what the percep
AT LEAST a carousel!! What happened to the old one? I
must have missed that. I for one would like to see a
large dedicated amusements center of SOME kind, and at
least a FEW rides... -al
--- dfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"
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> Are the stores in LB doing well? I ask in earnest.
>
The turing point is doing just fine - year round. Exellent following.
Many of the others are doing well. This will the 1st summer with all
open with SAWA coming on line shortly. More of the aprtments are
rented and all the condos are gone.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> they can stick a 100,000 sq ft "dave and busters" to draw thousands
> with 500k of retail (up from 450,000 sq ft which has been quoted for
> years) and a cheescake factory and a another bar or 2.
>
> They should throw i
they can stick a 100,000 sq ft "dave and busters" to draw thousands
with 500k of retail (up from 450,000 sq ft which has been quoted for
years) and a cheescake factory and a another bar or 2.
They should throw in a carousel. At least the freegold mall has one.
And it has Kohrs. The race track
look at long branch- built it and people are coming so is more $ and
more condos. Ugly as it may be. PEople are there spending $.
Look at multi families in AP to buy and return to single family -
probably best value (if I may use that term).
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> an intersting note in that article, is that Lam notes that "parking
is
> and issue" THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS.
>
Good eyes. I covered that in my second post. I also note that David
Rockwell is one of the best "
an intersting note in that article, is that Lam notes that "parking is
and issue" THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS.
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I am not going to be a wet blanket. Madison Marquette have retail real
estate experience. They build and invest in upscale retal shopping
centers. But that's it. They build fancy strip malls, ala The Grove,
albeit with restaurants. Is that what is envisioned for the boardwalk?
We get a Mall? Do
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" wrote:
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> > why just Keady? are you his brain are you two tag team partners, if
> > you think you have a good idea send it to all five!!!
> >
>
> Because the other four d
"I agree, unless a strong
enough agreement could be fashioned. I have the feeling Fishman will not be
around that long."
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On 2/2/06 5:19 PM, "charlie leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
oh all right. well, i dont know. im pretty sure the ones for the casino were just conceptual ideas.
I could be wrong, but I think A LOT of people thought those w
oh all right. well, i dont know. im pretty sure the ones for the casino were just conceptual ideas.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Likely the only way it'll ever be restored but you can't leave
> ownership with The Fish, and anyone taking on the project needs
> funding or control of some of Larry's lands for compensation.
>
> Neither seems
"
if the Casino were in City hands, that it would put out an RFP from
developers with certain guidelines. The City could use the momentum it
has now to demand such a scenario. We take public comment and have a
panel of judges with representatives from the community, planning
board, TRC, cultural in
some of those sketches were more then renderings
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oakdorf - those sketches were just artist redernings, ideas of what could be. they werent offical plans or architectual plans of anyway. the 5th ave pavillion is a different story, it had gone thru one pass thru, and sent back to get reworked. i dont think it ever came back, beasue talk, and
my guess is Keady is the one who has put enough pressure(in public) to
kick start. Could be wrong.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> why just Keady? are you his brain are you two tag team partners, if
> you think you have a good idea send it to all five!!!
>
Because the other four do not read my email. I resent your comment. I
think Jim Keady has a b
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Didn't Clarke etc do the orginal plans?? Sshowed the "new casino"
and
> new palace "hotel". there were sketches done of a new interior
to
> C.Hall - with a new club (amazing what you see when you're in some
> archi
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> >
>
> What would be ideal was that if the Casino were in City hands, that
it
> would put out an RFP from developers with certain guidelines. For
> instance, to include architectural restoration of the exterior
> (i
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Action must be taken. Why not let the people
> decide what is based for the city rather than developers who have
chosen to
> ignore the properties sold to them for the very reason of
protection? If
> the city had the money t
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Didn't Clarke etc do the orginal plans?? Sshowed the "new casino" and
> new palace "hotel". there were sketches done of a new interior to
> C.Hall - with a new club (amazing what you see when you're in some
> archite
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Didn't Clarke etc do the orginal plans?? Sshowed the "new casino" and
> new palace "hotel". there were sketches done of a new interior to
> C.Hall - with a new club (amazing what you see when you're in some
> archite
Didn't Clarke etc do the orginal plans?? Sshowed the "new casino" and
new palace "hotel". there were sketches done of a new interior to
C.Hall - with a new club (amazing what you see when you're in some
architects office), plans were done for a new 5th ave pav (many
renditions) while ugly,
apoojo- what part of the plan am i missing, i havnt looked at them in a really long time acutally.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> "AS A COMPLEX CONVENTION HALL AND PARAMOUNT COULD PROBABLY
> MAKE MONEY..IF DESIGNATED HISTORIC BUILDINGS "
>
> isnt convention hall already designated a historic building, or is
that just the casino? i
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skip, if i understand you right. i didnt just step
off the figurative boat. ive been invovled in asbury
park for trhe last 6 years, and know most of whats
going on. i was just stating a statement, felt like
typing something!
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they really don't care, and are just in it for the money"
Wow; and you heard it here! The difficulty for those of you who hope
Fishman will do the right thing, is understanding that, here we have a
guy who, figuratively, just got off the boat.
He's never built anything, never developed anythi
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