Like a bad dream, turning into a nightmare! Not surprised at all. but
looks like their hand, was caught in the cookie jar!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From the Coaster:
>
> Raffetto said certain architectural features were required to be
> preser
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Congrats to the Coaster for running this story. It is nice to
know we have a local news opperation keeping an eye on things. Also
a big thank you should go to the historical society for bringing
this to focus. A
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Like Reagan at Iran-Contra.
>
bring back ollie north
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Hope is right.
Where is the attribution for this major piece of news?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> i dont remeber who said it last week, but someone on here implyed
the casion was being restored and that i should stay better u to date
on what is going on. becasue i wasnt aware things had changed. and
i
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rolemover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Razing of historic 1929 landmark slow but steady
> Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 11/17/06
> BY NANCY SHIELDS
> COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU
Ah, at least some progress. I hope it turns out well.
> Asbury Partners appears
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard
> wrote:
> >
> > it looks like the casino demolation will be taking place anyday
now.
> i was just over that way today. they are removing the copper
roofings
> over
I totally agree with your post. Even those who still live here,
can't afford to. Sad, isn't it? The only people who are excited,
are those with a vested interest, have power and money! Like
everything else, money talks! You know the rest. Very fine post,
indeed.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogr
I still can't understand how a small town, like this is the "lure", for
this type of behavior. There are few bars left down on the beach and
the new ones, are too upscale, for these folks. They dress funny, like
they don't belong, so why here? Just curious and I'm glad they're
gone. AP has
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
First of all what you see is a concept drawing it means really
nothing until approved by the TRC Planning Board Council and Werner.
I will say it again if Madison Marquet comes aboard, and all of the
boards approv
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was down at the boardwalk, and it looks like the Casino renovation is going
> to be a big
> affair. There's an architectural drawing next to it, and it looks like the
> building is going to be
> restored to it's origin
thanks justifyed. im behind on lots of stuff. there was tiem when i knew everything! i knew about the 5th ave pavilloni though. must have missed the part about convention hall so infact the whole building is staying? even the eastern end? the window arrangement looks different, its m
how much was the sign - $1m?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> justifyed -
>
> where are you getting your information from?
It was me Chuck. I'm getting it from City Hall. Did you not notice
the Dispute Resolution Agreement? There was no schedule before then.
Pursuant t
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and as for the hookers, it seems like they've pretty much gone
away. On the block
> where I live, there were everywhere, but it's been awhile since i've
seen them lurking
> around. Maybe they only come out in the war
justifyed - "However, this first round is supposed to be just the roof. I don't think there is a schedule yet for the total restoration, at least none that has been released." where are you getting your information from? did something change with the plan, that im ont aware of? the pla
"Looks like Convention Hall is getting a big scrubbing inside. It's nice to see some work going on there, and it looks like the workers are doing a pretty good job." yeah, its looking good. but then agan, they did this last year, or the year before? they do paint every once and a while. t
Nice post.
I completely agree about preserving the musical legacy that put Asbury on the
map.
Cities like Austin TX get a huge chunk of change every year because of their
SXSW festival.
It seems to be a no brainer to do the same sort of thing right here in AP.
Bring back the concerts on the beach
Dear Friends of Asbury:
As far as the Casino goes, it's probably one of the last recognizable Landmarks left in Asbury Park, and well worth saving. This past summer I have visited Asbury quite a few times, I went to the car show and even walked the Board Walk for the first time since 1973. Its t
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Louis Navarette and I were just starting to work on the idea of a
> world-wide competition for design when all of a sudden he up and
> moved (selling his house to some nice family from Brooklyn).
Ha, ha, good
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> //Don't mean to start a flame war over the mertis of the Casino.
Not to worry, my knuckles are still sore from beating the pee (Allan?)
out of you yesterday.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> Well you know Asbury...
>
> It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention
> center that loses money - we have to have two.
>
CH is empty because morons are running it. The tax credits alone fro
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jack I'll take your advice and go down to see it and give it a
chance.
My problem with the Casino is more about what I saw as a blown
opportunity.
CH is a nice enough building to perserve history with. I thought in
the Cas
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jack I'll take your advice and go down to see it and give it a
chance.
My problem with the Casino is more about what I saw as a blown
opportunity.
CH is a nice enough building to perserve history with. I thought in
the Cas
Tommy,
You should take a walk down there and look at the drawing.
It looks pretty wonderful to me.
In my opinion, if they bring it back to it's original glory it'll be a big
improvement to the
boardwalk. My only concern is what are they going to put inside the buildings?
Just out of curiosity, wh
Hi Chuck,
I'm not usually negative about the beachfront.
One quirk that I have is my disdain for the Casino. I think we
should dump it and build something wonderful there.
/I know I stand completely alone on that.
//Don't mean to start a flame war over the mertis of the Casino.
--- In AsburyP
Looks like Convention Hall is getting a big scrubbing inside. It's nice to see
some work
going on there, and it looks like the workers are doing a pretty good job.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Well you know Asbury...
>
> It's not enough for u
"Well you know Asbury...It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention center that loses money - we have to have two." yet everything is negative on this board. why is that? something happens, and its always negative? even if its something good that is happening?? its t
"I hope the city has an approved plan and timeline for the rebuilding otherwise it should not be touched" there are 2 large wooden signes on the southern and eastern sides of the building. a few hand out copies for the public too. there appears to be a plan, but has it been approved yet? i
Well, maybe we'll get lucky and that won't be the case.
At very least, we'll have an attractive building there instead of the
ruin it has become.
Hey, does anybody know of any photos of the inside of the powerplant
building, or The Metropolitan Hotel?
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justif
Well you know Asbury...
It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention
center that loses money - we have to have two.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was down at the boardwalk, and it looks like the Casino renovation
is going to be
I hope the city has an approved plan and timeline for the rebuilding otherwise it should not be touched
- Original Message From: charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 5:35:16 PMSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: casino dem
"Sure they're not doing that to pay their tax bill?" yeah, im pretty sure thats not the reason.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> it looks like the casino demolation will be taking place anyday now.
i was just over that way today. they are removing the copper roofings
over the bow windows, and a few copper panales from around the
windows.
In reference to Tommy's
comment:
Napolidon and SiCiLian
Napoletano and Siciliana
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mmends reading Zinn. >
4. Calls for Keady's resignation, in print and on the web.
#4. Now That's pulling something.
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Date:
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Napolidon and SiCiLian
>
They are, you were adopted from a couple in Calabria.
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In reference to:
I think you miss (once again) the nuance of
what Werner is saying.
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Napolidon and SiCiLian
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > justifiedright@ wrote:> >> > Stop stretching so far you're going to pull something.> > > > The MOU was an agreement to later change the plan.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you miss (once again) the nuance of what Werner is saying.
> The Plan is the only lawful use of the land. A contract can't
> dictate the use of the land contrary to what the lawful use is. That
> is the cart befo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Stop stretching so far you're going to pull something.
>
> The MOU was an agreement to later change the plan. You know that.
>
But it specified land uses to a degree in advance of changing the plan.
You can't
Stop stretching so far you're going to pull something.
The MOU was an agreement to later change the plan. You know that.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> wrote:
> >
> > Werner, you are pretty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Werner, you are pretty good at setting up straw men and knocking
> them down. You said:
>
> "That Duany was the primary source of creating our Redevelopment
> Plan is still being cited as a good reason to accept
Werner, you are pretty good at setting up straw men and knocking
them down. You said:
"That Duany was the primary source of creating our Redevelopment
Plan is still being cited as a good reason to accept it without
question."
Primary source? Here is my quote:
"The actual status of Duany, co
In reference to Werner's
comment to Tommy:
Have you become "blind" again?
:-)
Again?
From
my reading of triCity columns, "sight" (insight) never
returned.
;-)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Werner on the other hand will make no distinction between his
> personal preference and standards by which the building is judged.
Why are you making assertions about me as if they were fact?
I provided several re
I simply made clear before I gave my opinion, that people understood
my opinion is not a standard or rule by which to judge the building.
That's for clarity. Why is that schizo?
Werner on the other hand will make no distinction between his
personal preference and standards by which the buildi
There is something a bit schitzophrenic about what Tommy wrote.
First, he says that personal preferences about a buildings historical status,
then he writes
his personal opinion, linked to a statement about it having no historical
importance.
Weird...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernera
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Leaving the question, John where's the contract?
There's no need to start me on Loffredo's feebled attempt to justify
giving away the Triangle. That's nother issue. Focusing on the Casino
for a moment, I think it is
relief=bulldozer
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Lincoln thought "you can not fool all of the people all of the time",
obviously he'd never been to Asbury Park.
Not 6 months ago Asbury's own John Loffredo justified the gifting to
The Fishman of yet another valuable resource as a quid pro quo for
Larry's promise to restore, not replace, the Cas
"For Skip to enjoy"
"?Casino building on the beach, a structure which is beyond repair but
will be rebuilt in a reasonable facsimile." [then] "?Asbury Partners
is looking for some relief from the historic standards imposed on
rebuilding and restoration." What the hell happened to Loffredo's
"
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> One of my friends has a booklet from when the CH was built - I have
to
> get it from him and scan it. Real neat. He bought it from the Burns
(or
> Bradshaw?) estate sale a few years back. Only one I've seen.
In
Dan,
One of my friends has a booklet from when the CH was built - I have to
get it from him and scan it. Real neat. He bought it from the Burns (or
Bradshaw?) estate sale a few years back. Only one I've seen.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A Focal Point of Asbury Park's Entertainment and Lifestyle on the
> Waterfront The current Casino building, constructed in 1929 to
> replace the original structure which was destroyed by fire, was
> designed by architects
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/16/05 12:07 PM, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> For Skip to enjoy
> >
> > I am sure he will have something to say. It would be
On 6/16/05 12:07 PM, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> For Skip to enjoy
>
> I am sure he will have something to say. It would be nice if true and
> sooner rather than later. BTW, I hear through the grapevine tha
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For Skip to enjoy
I am sure he will have something to say. It would be nice if true and
sooner rather than later. BTW, I hear through the grapevine that Asbury
Partners is looking for some relief from the historic stan
oh all right. they probably havnt made everything
yet. there are more concrete leg forms in convention
hall. so i expect more to be made soon.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "Anyone notice that there
> are benches on only half of the bw?"
>
> the boardwalk has always had benches on one half, the
> east side. although there might have been a few
> scattered on the west side as well, altho
"Anyone notice that there
are benches on only half of the bw?"
the boardwalk has always had benches on one half, the
east side. although there might have been a few
scattered on the west side as well, although always
far less beasue of lack of space (beasue of buildings!)
_
joe,
where's your point (other than on the top of your head)?
Using yuour mentality, I could counter that there are people walking
the streets looking to score heroin, and there are those on the
sidelines telling them 'to just say no'. I won't, because it's
ridiculous.
I havent heard anyon
bring down the house.
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: casino...boardwalk etc.
> Catching up on the forum. Had a crowd down to AP this weekend. They
> had to listen to my
"I guess you can either go through or sit on the side lines and complain."
Joe, I gather, since we all know you've nothing to complain about, you
went through. Was it a memorable experience?
If so, why not write a short note pointing out the highlights of your
tour? I'm sure it would be an in
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was quite interesting to see a group of people literally
waiting in line to be the first ones through on Saturday. I guess
you can either go through or sit on the side lines and complain.
Someone's got to do both. ~
Catching up on the forum. Had a crowd down to AP this weekend. They
had to listen to my bitching about Fishman et al. You've said it
all. There were crowds on the bw which was good to see and plenty of
people were walking through the casino, even as early as 7 AM all
weekend. I noticed the city
"For the casino to be restored, much less CH
I don't think there
would be a bank
that would fund a restoration
what makes one think a
much more difficult restoration would ever occur."
Hopefully it's part of the deal, if not Loffredo assures us that if we
give the triangle to The Fish, he'll
an idea for the casinostick a carousel back in it. THAT should been
in the deal. May not bring in the big $ for THAT space - but the total
impact would bring in multiples of that space.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The question is whether Asbury Partners will want to possibly earn a
> little less (than the shopping malls) to do something great for the
city or
> whether they will strictly be looking at their bottom line. I
believe
> so
I hope that the Casino is restored. There is a video out now by the
country music band Rascall Flats (or something similar) that is
filmed in and around the Casino. It's on the Country Music TV channel
from time to time. It was filmed last year and seems to look even
worse in the video than
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The most recent number I have heard is $(50-85)K per unit.
Yes, I based it on the sales to Kushner and Paramount which were
negotiated in 2002. I assume they are higher now.
> Lets not forget that they can also sell
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Didn't someone (Aaron?) say at the Dec 15 meeting that the Casino
> would require $30+ million in environmental remediation? Have you
> ever seen an expert report estimating these costs?
There is no documentation, th
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