[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-12 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Like most of your positions, they are too extreme. Smell the coffee > brewing. Dan, That comment about me has me wondering and bothered at the same time. G

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > Is there a new Tommie (sic)? > > I'm curious as to what the old one was like ;-) > > Seriously though, you haven't noticed? I'm a new man! > must be

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a new Tommie (sic)? I'm curious as to what the old one was like ;-) Seriously though, you haven't noticed? I'm a new man! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.y

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The only one being extreme is you by characterizing my intent without > having been at the meeting os asking for clarification if there was > some doubt. I reacted to your post here which, prusuant to your introducto

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Like most of your positions, they are too extreme. Smell the coffee > brewing. If you think that a police department in a city that has a > large population of specific immigrants should not have someone with > proficien

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread fancypaaantz
Amen to that! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > Since Maureen mentioned my comments at the Council meeting I see that > > its stirred up a small debate. > > > > Allow me to clarify what my

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since Maureen mentioned my comments at the Council meeting I see that > its stirred up a small debate. > > Allow me to clarify what my point was, and it is very Asbury Park related. > > First off- the Police department

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread asburycouple
I think that's a great idea - and count me in. Seriously. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Should read "who's" with me. > > We'll let someone besides me handle the typing classes. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" >

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread fancypaaantz
What a spirited debate we are having. Education is always a great idea! I would be willing to teach English - although I have no education experience :) Mario would probably be a better candidate. In the meantime, if a certain significant percentage of the population speaks another language, in

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread justifiedright
Should read "who's" with me. We'll let someone besides me handle the typing classes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott you've given me a business idea. > > Why don't we start an Americanization School? > > Non-political. Teach grade s

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread justifiedright
Scott you've given me a business idea. Why don't we start an Americanization School? Non-political. Teach grade school level history, seminars on schools, taxes, law, food, pop-culture, and how to take and pass the test for citizenship. Market it to Governments, Corporations, Schools and so

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread oakdorf
-how about the BOE offering english classes to families or we could just create that private service, lease space from the BOE or some other building in AP, and get fed funds to do it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/grou

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread oakdorf
...fyi... someone sent me an email correcting my statement that signing is universal. Thanks ): Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change setting

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread fancypaaantz
It is their children who will learn English and have the opportunities. There are different types of immigrants who come to this country. There are professionals, from all different countries, who come to take a job. Chances are, these folks already speak English very well. There are folks who

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread asburycouple
>From a moderate democrat to a conservative replublican - I will stand with you and protest against those who would fight a company helping their immigrant employees (or non-employees) learn english and become citizens. See you at the rally! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread justifiedright
It's a great point you make. I have a winderful picture hanging in my office. It is from 1928. About 3 to 4 feet wide. It's 150 Immigrants being sworn in as citizens at the White House. President Coolidge did the swearing in. My grandfater is in the picture, having been sworn in that day.

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread asburycouple
My intention there was not to point the word "villifying" at you - you have not in your posts and Tom I apologize to you if you feel I implied that sepcifically regarding you. It was more of a general statement because many in this country do. Aside from that, there are two points I was making

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread wernerapnj
Just a small deviation from Asbury park to the argument that other countries accommodate English via dual signage etc therefor America should reciprocate for other languages also... Some info found on the web: "English is the primary language of more than 400 million people and is the second

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So perhaps rather than simply > villifying those who can't speak the language an effort can be made > to provide an opportunity to learn English? Who is doing the villifying? Who is clamoring for opportunities to

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "fancypaaantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey- if we are going to mandate English, what do we do with deaf people who can only sign? Signing is a universal language - but few people ever learned it. Try turning off the sound of the TV (not a bad idea) and

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Exactly. Prompting them to learn English benefits them, not just > us, which is why it's never xenophobic to askit of them. It's > compassionate. > when my daughter took french in school, I had hoped that some

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread fancypaaantz
No, but if a Korean person was murdered and the only witnesses to the crime were Korean family members who only speak Korean (actually not unusual in Bergen County), there would at least be a Korean interpreter who would help the police interview the witnesses. And, if there was a town that ha

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread asburycouple
On one hand I agree with you both - everyone should be strongly encouraged to learn English in this country. That said, as a marketing professional I have worked with clients who focus on the Hispanic community and one of the popular misconceptions is that people come here and don't want to l

[AsburyPark] Re: English in Asbury Park

2008-01-11 Thread justifiedright
Exactly. Prompting them to learn English benefits them, not just us, which is why it's never xenophobic to askit of them. It's compassionate. Wow, Werner and I agree. I guess if you live long enough you'll see everthing! ;-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTE