Hinge.
oh all right. everyone has their own oppinons. your not alone in what your
thinking by far. but i think red bank has things for everyone, its not just
retail. thats my opinion. before the big red bank craze in the 90s, red bank
was retial before too? but not as popularized, m
Chuck, It's not that i'm knocking Red Bank. It just doesn't have the vibe that
I like.
I know it's successful.
I spent tons of time in RB. I had an office there, I worked at the 2 Rivers
Times, did work at
Count Basie Theater.
I know i'm in the minority with my opinion, which is fine.
All I can
"This it where AP has failed - trying to copy other's physical
development instead of following the path of least resistance and using
the techniques of building on one's own heritage and unique assets"
isnt asbury parks downtown very similar to red banks downtown? at one point,
asbury pa
"Werner how about Long Branch? The similarities between their
beachfront and ours are many. Pier Village, where I went with my
family last weekend, is working very well.
Why do you think it wouldn't work in AP?"
im sure werner will asnwer, but im reading this now, so here goes. i think
t
"Jack I understand and respect your feelings as stated above. But with
thousands of people going to Red Bank everyday even in the winter,
doesn't that suggest the Red Bank model is a good one?"
anyone who knocks red bank, in my oppion, has no idea what a downtown is
sopose to look like the
werner -
your shoot down the idea of "bizzare" and abstract versions of everday street
scapes. how would that not attrract people? isnt that what you want? a
destination point? it would sure give the waterfront a different look, and
more reasons for people to travel there. then o
hinge -
i agree, that would be bad. when everything starts looking teh same, no
matter where you go its bad. construction of buildings alone are whats been
bothering me these days. for the same price, youd think they can make them
look a little different. different doenst consist of MO
Well I must say, despite the nostalgic hold the Asbury of old still has on me,
I think that
this is one of the most lucid, best thought out posts i've seen in awhile about
the future of
Asbury. Good job.
For me, i'll just never understand why the powers the be in AP let all of the
"old" go...
I think the biggest challenge I have Werner is that the waterfront
area's history from the era you rightfully site as the history is
just that - history. Unlike Cookman, where much of the
infrastructure remained and could be reused, there is not so much
left. Rather than a real historical red
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> But perhaps Werner you are more referring to the status as a major
> high-end tourist mecca - which end for AP in the 50's and for LB well
> before that if I'm not mistaken.
Exactly, And this points out the proble
I also remember going to Long Branch when I was a kid (mid-late 70's -
wow I feel old now), visiting the haunted mansion, etc... It was
well into it's decline but was still a very fun place to go. AP was
in a simliar state by then and you could argue all day about which
one was dead first, dep
Werner I guess we are going to disagree somewhat here. My own
recollection from my 20's was that Long Branch, while certainly not
as grand as it once was, still had a good tourist economy. I was
there quite often, delivering ice there all day and going back for
fun at night. Asbury's tourism w
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> Werner how about Long Branch? The similarities between their
> beachfront and ours are many. Pier Village, where I went with my
> family last weekend, is working very well.
>
> Why do you think it wouldn't work
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
You had no problem anouncing to the group that AP cops were swarming
your house and that it was a setup by the city.
How is this relevent to the subject line?
> If you want to know about my personal life
> there i
How is this relevent to the subject line?
If you want to know about my personal life
there is direct email, or just call me.
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hey Werner, how was your encounter with the State Police yesteday?
> Were they looking for
> I only want good for AP. I have much to loose otherwise.
you dont care about asbury dan, you just care about your investments,
if thats the case i hope the market goes bust...you really are a bennie
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> --- In AsburyPark
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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>
Hey Werner, how was your encounter with the State Police yesteday?
Were they looking for a body in you truck?? How many tickets did you
get? I guess the City was behind that too.
Werner how about Long Branch?
Werner how about Long Branch? The similarities between their
beachfront and ours are many. Pier Village, where I went with my
family last weekend, is working very well.
Why do you think it wouldn't work in AP?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Jack I understand and respect your feelings as stated above. But
with
> thousands of people going to Red Bank everyday even in the winter,
> doesn't that suggest the Red Bank model is a good one?
>
Tommie, Yes
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All I can see is Pier Village come to Asbury, just in a different
>configuration.
> And, while the influx of retailers would probably give a boost to
>AP, my main worry is the
> character of Asbury is going to disappear. Fo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe the contingencies
> are the same as I have laid out - MM saying to Partners " do what
>you
> are supposed to do and then we'll see"
Ding Ding Ding! Give that man a prize! Very perceptive of you, Dan
the Man! L
Werner is 100% correct with this post below!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what
the 'planned'
> direction was.
>
> The plan was not to 'attract people year round' is was to create a
year-
> rou
when you talk about having convention hall being a destination. what exaclty
do you mean? are you talking about higher things, more then what its been used
for in the past? (before the whole redevelopment stuff started) i think its
just something that is there, everyone knows its there. the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The 'visitors should go elswhere' mentality.
Who needs us bennies. Sure like our re tax payments though.
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Werner,
> Is this for real;
> "I suppose most folks have never seen the rendering
> of the interior of the 'new' Casino as a 3 level shopping mall."
> Where can one go to see that? If this is in fact the direction they
> are
Arhythmick,
The BC Hotel was pre-existing and had made a comeback over the years
in spite of the lack of redevelopment. Its size and use made it
undesirable for condemnation. The same for the Empress, it was being
rehabed as a gay enclave. They were written into the plan to be saved
unless emi
Werner,
Is this for real;
"I suppose most folks have never seen the rendering
of the interior of the 'new' Casino as a 3 level shopping mall."
Where can one go to see that? If this is in fact the direction they
are going in, where the hell are the going to put parking for that?
I wonder what kinda
Werner,
Based on your understanding of not wanting to attract people why do
you suppose there were several hotels included in the design?
Thanks
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what
the 'planned'
>
Werner,
Based on your understanding of not wanting to attract people why do
you suppose there were several hotels included in the design?
Thanks
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what
the 'planned'
>
Fred, You are incorrect in your assumptions as to what the 'planned'
direction was.
The plan was not to 'attract people year round' is was to create a year-
round residential community. Visitors were not calculated into the mix
as evidenced by the planning board testimony. Parking for visitors w
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
The plan is to attract people year round, I for one don't want year
round attractions. Come labor day I want all visiters out. Do we
really need tons of traffic year round? But that's what everbody
wants. To make it a pla
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Your source is wrong. Tell him I said so. MM laid out some
> conditions that are currently being met. Once completed, MM starts
> their work.
>
> From your recount of your source's info, it became clear that i
But what are your feelings about the artists rendering of the redevelopment?
Do you see them creating a mall by the sea with very little sensitivity to
preserving what
little is left of Asbury's heritage?
Maybe i'm very much in the minority on this, but I figured I'd put it out there.
All I can s
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >Sounds like you have bigger and deeper hears than me. I hope
you're
> wrong for all of our sakes.
I only want good for AP. I have much to loose otherwise.
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, g
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
> MM is in as soon as the contingencies are satisfied by Asbury
> Partners.
What you state sounds like a contract. All information to date is there
is no contract. Do you have any info to the contrary? Perhaps
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple"
> wrote:
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> >Sounds like you have bigger and deeper hears than me. I hope you're
wrong for all of our sakes.
Let's hope this is not the future of these condo proj
Your source is wrong. Tell him I said so. MM laid out some
conditions that are currently being met. Once completed, MM starts
their work.
>From your recount of your source's info, it became clear that it was
all made up when your source started to make MM sound like a social
justice organiz
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Let's hope this is not the future of these condo projects here...
>
I also heard that RDR is defaulting on the its loans and BOA may move
for foreclosure. Not a pretty picture in AP. There is widespread
stockhom s
Let's hope this is not the future of these condo projects here...
Failed Condos Spur Rise in Vacant Apartments
By ALEX FRANGOS
January 5, 2007; Page A2
The U.S. apartment market ended 2006 with a surprisingly large
increase in the number of empty apartments, due to a combination of
rising rent
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>... Anyone with real estate experience shakes their
> head at what has been going on here for the past 5 years.
>
As are those with planning, preservation, restoration, urban
revitalization, engineering and economic bac
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