A huge difference in being drafted and volunteering.
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, sharon_b283 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: sharon_b283 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 7:12 PM
Thank you
Thank you for clearing up, what I was trying to say. Yes, flags are
waved when he sings of something so American, that in spite of it,
(the war), we'll still wave it, not because the government was right;
they weren't with Viet Nam or these 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan!
In my opinion, it's what
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Baseball games are not inherently about ideas.
>
The idea is to win, not how you play the game.
For fans, it's about how much you can drink, curse, scream and toss
beer at each other at $8.00 - even in front o
"The song was in part a tribute to Springsteen's friends who had
experienced the Vietnam War, some of whom did not come back; it also
protests the hardships Vietnam veterans faced upon their return from
the war.
The song's narrative traces the protagonist's working-class origins,
induction
Baseball games are not inherently about ideas.
On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:18 AM, arcman210 wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music
> is,
> > especially folk music. Bad analogy.
>
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre"
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> tommy, writing about the working class IS political. i would argue
> everything is political...not in the smarmy, manipulative, position
> juggling, ulterior motive use of the word...but in that how we live
> togethe
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold
> closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story,
>about
> a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings
tears
>
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is,
> especially folk music. Bad analogy.
Therse is some cross over - like when A-Rod wasn't going to play for
America in the World Baseball tourn
Just easier than retyping my view here.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
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> Did you just link to yourself to support your thesis?
>
> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, justifiedright wrote:
>
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"
wrote
ARCMAN!...I dont; know what springsteens intentions are with music, no
one does. you don't. you can't. to me, his willingness to express
opinions says hes just living his life and expressing himself..
and "better off than any of us will ever be" i don't know that.
and i don't live in that defe
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their
> mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter
> like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know
>
athletes are making too much money to say anything. people keep their
mouths shut for money. it should be obvious that a singer/songwriter
like Springsteen is a little more of a thinker than say..i don't know
can't name a sports person. nothing against physical achievement.
he is expressing himse
As Edwin Starr sang, "War, what is it good for, Absolutely NOTHING"!
I'm with you!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
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> If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave
> a "Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great!" speech, you'd love i
JR, What about the song Bruce wrote, when the 3M plant in Freehold
closed? What about the song from the movie, Philadelphia Story, about
a gay man who contracts aids and fights to keep his job. Brings tears
to my eyes, just thinking about the cruelty of the heart this film
evokes. Bruce sings of
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music
is,
> especially folk music. Bad analogy.
>
So athletes cant have opinions too? You're saying only "artists" are
the enlightened ones who have
The idea of "Shut Up" was introduced by your side. It's OK for you
guys to say it but no one else? Schwet. Must be nice.
On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:17 AM, arcman210 wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You should just shut up.
> >
> >
Baseball is not inherently about communicating ideas like music is,
especially folk music. Bad analogy.
On Oct 7, 2008, at 9:10 AM, arcman210 wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > no offense arcman but how much you respect him
Plus: It does seem you have a kind of microphone: A newspaper column
and your incessant political posts here.
On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:06 AM, justifiedright wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent
Did you just link to yourself to support your thesis?
On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, justifiedright wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about
> them?
>
> Actually he became the "working
I did not introduce that word in the conversation, but just wondered
what it would feel like.
On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Gabrielle Obre wrote:
> with all the "ass" in this post i couldn't help think of Anthony De
> Mello. He was a Jesuit priest who wrote a book called "Awareness: The
> Perils
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
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> You should just shut up.
>
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote:
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I like how its okay for you to just tell people to shut up because you
dont want to hear their political views that dont agree wi
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him
> and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive
> beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone
> re
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
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> Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate
or
> not hate.
>
> I've never said "Shut Up and Sing" about a single performer ever.
I
> could care what any of those Right Wing performers t
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
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> Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent or career.
John why do you personalize things with other members of the group like
the above? That doesn't help you convince people of anything.
You can do better.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about
them?
Actually he became the "working class hero" by not singing about
politics. He sang about something else entirely:
http://tinyurl.com/4fwpqj
with all the "ass" in this post i couldn't help think of Anthony De
Mello. He was a Jesuit priest who wrote a book called "Awareness: The
Perils and Opportunities of Reality". Its basically about getting over
ourselves and one of the greatest lines is "I'm an ass your an ass".
and well, its pretty
Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or
not hate.
I've never said "Shut Up and Sing" about a single performer ever. I
could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say,
mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That
information an
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he
gave
> a "Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great!" speech, you'd love it.
>
A "Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great!" speech would be politics too, you
one-
John man you are harsh sometimes. i totally understand your anger and
exasperation with the republicans. take heart in the fact that many on
that side are being very critical. some long time republican is
quitting due to his distaste for his own party. virginia i think.
i agree they wouldn't be co
The Right only feels this way when the singer isn't supporting
Republicans. Lee Greenwood doesn't get the shut up and sing
treatment. Ted Nugent doesn't get the shut up and sing treatment.
Nor does Gloria Estefan, Amy Grant, Frank Sinatra Jr., Pat Boone,
Ricky Martin, Michael W. Smith, Jes
If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave
a "Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great!" speech, you'd love it.
On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:24 PM, arcman210 wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
You should just shut up.
On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote:
> Good points, arcman210.
>
> I actually feel bad for Oprah. I think she tried her best to
> support Obama without being combative, but someone should have said
> to her "There is no way to do this without alienating some
Don't see his concerts any more.
Shut Up and Stay Home.
On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:57 PM, arcman210 wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine.
> >
> > He can committ microphone abuse; I can't.
> >
You're no one. Oh, well.
On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:40 PM, justifiedright wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen
> >concert.
> > That makes all the difference in the world.
>
> If
Hey: Tommy: Shut Up and Lie in Court.
On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:37 PM, justifiedright wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an
> attempt to
> > silence their free speech, you shou
Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent or career.
Bruce should say whatever he likes. And if you don't like, it just
shows how right he is.
More power to him.
BRUUUCE!
(Back to Ted Nugent?)
On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:07 PM, justifiedright wrote:
> No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the sa
But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally.
I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought "shut up and sing" for
even a
heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a concert, a rally, or anywhere
become
"ranting"
Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he als
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210"
> wrote:
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> > I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on
> > how to vote.
>
> You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in
>
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on
> how to vote.
You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in
that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of
the
Good points, arcman210.
I actually feel bad for Oprah. I think she tried her best to
support Obama without being combative, but someone should have said
to her "There is no way to do this without alienating some of your
fans."
I think her support for Obama was more of a Chicago thing than
an
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine.
>
> He can committ microphone abuse; I can't.
>
> He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose
> (music).
>
> When he then uses the mic fo
> Remember Gabbi it's only unconstitutional if the government trys to
> silence Bruce Springsteen's free speech, not if I do it.
>
> Shut up and sing, Bruce.
>
ok sorta fair...then all i have is my grandmothers rule of no "shut
up". we could say all sorts of things (obviously) but no shut up a
Oh please. He was an invited guest to the rally. A political rally, not a Bruce
concert.
Did you listen to the clip? It wasn't abusive in any way.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote:
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> >
> >
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen
>concert.
> That makes all the difference in the world.
If I were to announce my own political rally for next week, how many
people would show up and
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to
> silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech
> rights of corporate "persons". which, interestingly, the ACLU has
> defende
Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert.
That makes all the difference in the world.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine.
>
> He can committ microphone abuse; I can
if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to
silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech
rights of corporate "persons". which, interestingly, the ACLU has
defended.
you can find interesting info at http://reclaimdemocracy.org/
--
No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine.
He can committ microphone abuse; I can't.
He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose
(music).
When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's
microphone abuse.
Bruce should shut up and sing.
--- In As
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3hegep
>
Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and
everybody
else.
That's part of what America stands for.
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