1. Thanks. I dont need more more work. Between my own tenants,internet projects
and commercial real estate I'm involved with I've actually been passing leads
off. But ill make time.
2. Werner is right as far as the design goes. The city had a architectural
review committee. I have pics of the
1. Thanks. I dont need more more work. Between my own tenants,internet projects
and commercial real estate I'm involved with I've actually been passing leads
off. But ill make time.
2. Werner is right as far as the design goes. The city had a architectural
review committee. I have pics of the
1. Thanks. I dont need more more work. Between my own tenants,internet projects
and commercial real estate I'm involved with I've actually been passing leads
off. But ill make time.
2. Werner is right as far as the design goes. The city had a architectural
review committee. I have pics of the
We all love to hate on developers but can we honestly blame them for wanting to
maximize the amount they can build? At the time, the compromise to get rid of
those streets wound up being a good one because it brought in more ratables
than it would have otherwise.
The superblock that was crea
That is good news...
The same issue exists for Kingsley Street - The plan currently makes retail
optional. Considering that the seasonal weather has such a large effect on
Ocean Ave it would be prudent to mandate retail/ entertainment uses along
Kingley which is sheltered from the harshness of
I attended the planning board presentations on the project and Phase 2 is to be
a duplicate of Phase 1 except for a retail component along Grand Ave, with
different architecture.
Hopefully the Phase 2 design will be revisited.
My point was that the Redevelopment Plan was largely ignored.
A cre
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote:
>
>
> As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on
> Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed
> come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it was
> de
I wouldn't go as far as to say the design of the stump field will be the same.
Just because the foundations are layed out a certain way doesn't mean the
building that gets put up has to look or function the same way. The stumps
site will almost certainly contain retail on Cookman (too lucrative
I love Rollins...saw him at the paramount a few years back. Don't
have a TV though
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Oh god I love that man. [Carlin]
Then you'll probably appreciate Henry Rollins, on IFC usually 11 PM Fridays
(but 2nite at 11:10) Unfortunately competes with Bill Maher, but if you're
"affluenza" enoug
My thoughts, exactly! Great post!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Oh god I love that man. I remember watching him some time ago and I
> started to realize that he was lecturing. not just being funny,
> though he always is. he was calling us on our bul
Did he ever age or what? I should talk! I can play ME back from gray
to Black hair too! Amazing, what I saw on the link provided...Food
for thought and reflection. I never saw myself as old, until I look
at my military ID! I have a "thin" me with jet black hair and a "fat"
me with silver hair!
Oh god I love that man. I remember watching him some time ago and I
started to realize that he was lecturing. not just being funny,
though he always is. he was calling us on our bullshit. yeah
preaching never works. i worked in a vegan organic restaurant for
years and there IS such a thing as
In a message dated 11/1/2007 1:45:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only Americans and some other westerners
could need this much storage. and joke about it.
Some critics call it Affluenza. I prefer those like Carlin who use
humor rather than those who preach about it.
If h
The woman in the article cracks me up. Only Americans and some other
westerners could need this much storage. and joke about it.
Fun game to see how sustainable you live
http://sustainability.publicradio.org/consumerconsequences/
I live in less than 500 sq feet, eat almost entirely organic, no
Phase 2 should be stopped somehow. There can't be another building with the
same design as phase 1 right next store. thats horriable.
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Anybody catch the Ledger Business page today? Big story about Kushner
selling 1800 apartments, consolidate his dealings into an upscale NY-
Trump wannabe. Funny thing is the story never mentions Wesley Grove -
too incidental? Or does he intend to unload it as an apt. complex?
Just musing here...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "charlie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wesley grove phase two is accross the street from one. The
> trinagle lot, previous moonstruck building. How many phases are
there
> in the project? 3? Phase three will be west of phase 1?
> I really hope p
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Professionally designed landscaped garden areas
> - Brick, stucco and Hardi Plank® exterior
>
> from their website
>
I think they forgot;
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Went by yesterday, looks no different on the townhouse side. I saw a
guy sweeping up little piles of dust in the gutter!!!
Wonder what they'll say if you call back and inquire. Let me
guess, "closings in two weeks". --- In
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>
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If that was true, why did they go before the planning board with
phase 2?
>
Land WITH approvals is worth a ton more then land without approvals.
That's another whole way of investing - buy land or groups of
propertie
If that was true, why did they go before the planning board with phase 2?
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Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 1:31:30 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
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"Good idea about calling. I'll do it tomorrow on my lunch break and
report my findings here."
ill stop into the office in person. we can compare our stories and see if we
get the same one
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" It just seems strange to methat it's still not finished, and there is hardly
any activity going on there at all."
oh ok. i thought you were talkng about nyc, sorry. yes, it is strange that
its not done. i strongly suspect their waiting on something. so now their
working on outside th
i dont know. maybe its an asbury park thing maybe. now that i think about
it, the new mariot (sp) hotel that went up near me. off route 66, near the
home depot in neptune. that seemed to have gone up pretty fast. not sure how
it was built, or maybe there werent as many underground tactics
"Why doesn't someone stop in the sales center and ask or call."
a ha! good idea. istead of everyone spectulating whats going on, what isnt.
i'll stop in tomororw, if i get a chance. i think its too late to call now.
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Good idea about calling. I'll do it tomorrow on my lunch break and
report my findings here.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I go buy it everyday. ZIPPO happening.
>
> The "sheetrock" shortage was a couple years ago.
>
> Why doesn't someone stop i
do you have a job hingy? you need a new hobby...this board is
consuming you...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, not projects in NYC, in New Jersey...in Edgewater and Cliffside
> Park. Not only were those projects completed faster, but they were
> also u
No, not projects in NYC, in New Jersey...in Edgewater and Cliffside
Park. Not only were those projects completed faster, but they were
also up against much more significant geological challenges. Edgewater
is literally below Cliffside Park, which is up on top of the
Palisades. There were housing pr
I go buy it everyday. ZIPPO happening.
The "sheetrock" shortage was a couple years ago.
Why doesn't someone stop in the sales center and ask or call.
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"I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived
in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from
NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less
time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my
window."
so your co
I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived
in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from
NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less
time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my
window.
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"Hey, i'm just calling it like I see it. I've lived in AP in direct view of
Weasley Grove for a year
now. That project should've been completed by now. Every morning when I walk my
dog
near there, I see maybe a handful of workers, mostly doing nothing. For a
project like that
to take more the
"Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not forget
how worng his sources are."
oh ok, thats the answer to the question i just asked in my last post. i
think its clear their waiting on a certain company to do the drywall and
interior work. EVERYTHING else possia
"I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy
work being
done to give the impression that something is going on"
interesting idea, but im not sure thats the case. new developer taking over,
or the same one, i think the work is going as fast as it can. the w
"Busy Work" is what is done when there's nothing to do. It's just a way to
justify having
workers. Give them something to do so they can be paid for it.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson
> wrote:
> >
>
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hinge you say work has stopped. Then someone says they are working.
Now it is busy work?
> Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not
forget how worng his sources are.
>
Was I wrong a
looking to bail. Lets not forget
> how worng
his sources are.
>
>
>
> - Original Message
> From: Hinge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 3:00:10 PM
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at
m
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 3:00:10 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy
work being
done to give the impression that something is going on
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie l
I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy
work being
done to give the impression that something is going on
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground fl
if its true that a new owner of operation is coming into the picture. it would
be good to start over, haha. at lest the ocean grove side. but we all know
that will never happen. no developer in their right mind would tear down
something brand new like that. and i doubt theyd edit it any. t
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> >
> Maybe because once they get a CO they start paying taxes. Just a
> thought
Not sure that's the deal. I think They have to sell it to pay taxes.
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"So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over
construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again?"
is that a joke? im guessing it is. clearly, the allegded buyer would
continute the project. just like the c8 "buyers" started off with plans
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
Maybe because once they get a CO they start paying taxes. Just a
thought
"I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground
floor weeks ago are still broken. "
>
> i agree, something
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> i agree, something is clearly causing the delay.
It's that old Italian disease - funzalo
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It's also really ugly to look at from the
> Ocean Grove side.
Some genuis thought people WANT to look at the seaview towers and M & K
that buy now should be getting cleaned up - not a chain link fence.
The whole thought process fromt he boardwalk into cookman/lake ave has
to be rethinked. So
I think the worst part of Wesley Groves design are those courtyards on the
southern side.
Everything is way too close together, and everybodies windows look in on each
other. No
privacy at all unless you want to draw all the curtains. It's also really ugly
to look at from the
Ocean Grove side
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take
over construction? Or
> do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again?
>
I said from day one,knock it down and start over. Makes Pier Village
l
>
> Rumors months ago that they were trying to unload the whole project.
>
And you think people are sitting on contracts.
At least not at original sticker prices.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take
over construction? Or
> do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again?
I would asume that the buyer would have to step into the shoes of
Westm
So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over
construction? Or
do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote:
> >
> > It's been abo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's been about a week since I mentioned a work standstill at Weasley
Grove. Last night, I once
> again took a closer look. There is definitely nothing going on there.
I also noticed that the
> same broken windows I notic
What the hell is Weasley Grove? The Brain Surgeon strikes again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's been about a week since I mentioned a work standstill at Weasley
Grove. Last night, I once
> again took a closer look. There is definitely nothing going
"Hardiplank is one of the preferred materials for some of the folks I know who are rehabbing their homes. They frequently do not use it however, because it is so expensive. If indeed Westminister is using Hardiplank then the "quick buck, hit and run" theory seems not valid." very true joe!
"Shame on me for doubting your powers, didn't know about "Hardiplankfiber-cement exterior siding", add it to the mountain of crap I don'tknow; is that what Wesley Grove is using? I'm sticking with (for Charlie) the project is a quick buck,hit and run." hopefully your kidding, when you say t
i think dfsavgny did a good job explaining what the product is, so theres no point in me going over it again. the product is not a higher grade of vynl like you say, its not vynle at all skip. its better, as listed in the pros by dfs.. home depot doenst have it, but lowes does, if you wa
"Well, that's the name of the game to make a profit. I will reserve opinion on design until I see the entire complex laid out, although I think 750 units in that area is somewhat dense and perhaps not the best use of the land from a citizens viewpoint." i agree with that. but when theres a
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hardiplank is one of the preferred materials for some of the folks I
know who are rehabbing their homes. They frequently do not use it
however, because it is so expensive. If indeed Westminister is using
Hardiplank th
At 8:38 PM + 1/31/06, Skip Bernstein wrote:
>"Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for doubting
>my powers."
>
>Shame on me for doubting your powers, didn't know about "Hardiplank
>fiber-cement exterior siding", add it to the mountain of crap I don't
>know; is that what Wesl
"Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for doubting
my powers."
Shame on me for doubting your powers, didn't know about "Hardiplank
fiber-cement exterior siding", add it to the mountain of crap I don't
know; is that what Wesley Grove is using?
I'm sticking with (for Charlie) t
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Dan claims the siding to be "substantial composite material", don't
> know what that might be (doubt Dan knows either)
Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for
doubting my powers.
Hardiplank f
`"you for example skip
took pictures
then you came back on here, and
bad mouthed almost every feature about them. "...then throw-up cookie
cutter vinyl sided crap and the short-sighted wil applaud your good
taste. [not quite my quote]" you were already talking crap, of what
you thought you so cl
everything statead so far about them are oppions, everyone has different ones. it doesnt mean anything is wrong with whats there, it just may not be wht you personaly would have liked. there are a lot of people that like them (not one in particular). the people that are spending all the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Wesley Grove is a fast buck project of cheaply designed, run of the
> mill cookie-cutter townhouses. They sit on dirt acquired for
> $4,000/unit, it is my understanding that Kushner was/is an insider,
> participat
"
a closer
You can take issue with the design, grouping and the use,
however, it is not true that they are being built in a substandard
manner or with cheap materials. The windows are all good quality Pella
exterior trim and clapboards are not aluminum or vinyl, but a
substantial composite materi
"Are you sure? Because our experts STOCK TIP SKIP, Werner and a few others beg to differ." fred - the main things that have been said over the last few days were matters of opinions. claiming the roof agles were wrong, windows are too small, not layed out right, sidewalks. these are opti
"Are you sure? Because our experts STOCK TIP SKIP, Werner and a few others beg to differ." fred - the main things that have been said over the last few days were matters of opinions. claiming the roof agles were wrong, windows are too small, not layed out right, sidewalks. these are opti
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Are you sure? Because our experts STOCK TIP SKIP, Werner and a few
others beg to differ.
Considering the discussion of this development over the past fews
> days, I decided to take a closer look myself this morning.
Charlie,
I've not placed your name or
email address on my site.
Skip Bernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
charlie
leonard
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:35
PM
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: wesley
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Shot Wesley Lake townhouses this morning from Lake Ave., sorry Charlie
> they're drek.
>
> Sharon, as to the puke mustard yellow color, there is good news,
> that's the wafer board sheathing; the bad news, wafer bo
"Shot Wesley Lake townhouses this morning from Lake Ave.,sorry Charlie they're drek." you dont have to appologize to me, everyone has their own oppinions! and most likly, there going to be different! ..and if your going to quote me, try to use the whole thing, not just the part that "loo
skip - remove my name and email address from your site as soon as possiable. thanks.
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Shot Wesley Lake townhouses this morning from Lake Ave., sorry Charlie
they're drek.
Sharon, as to the puke mustard yellow color, there is good news,
that's the wafer board sheathing; the bad news, wafer board sheathing
is the cheapest crap available for that job.
The roof lines are bad, the w
"As I said in the past, all of cookman faces the wrong way. Cookman should be the service street, not Lake." i remember a while ago when you said that. it would make sence, and seemingly seems like a good idea. but you cant really do that, when you consider cookman ave is the only street t
As I said in the past, all of cookman faces the wrong way. Cookman
should be the service street, not Lake.
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what you say is a good example of why many people
accuse you of
causing problems thru out the board. every response you give, usally
leads to to a pointless battle
"they dont look too bad" meaning,
THEY DONT LOOK TOO BAD. they are already built, you cant take them
away now. it makes sence
skip - what you say is a good example of why many people (not necessarily me!) accuse you of causing problems thru out the board. every response you give, usally leads to to a pointless battle (the ones that go too far off topic, and never find their way back). Im far from short-sighted. the
werner and the board - i agree, they dont look the best that they could have been, but they are in fact there now. the roof lines, dormers, and angles you speak of are a matter of oppinion i think. no architect would design something that wasnt proportioined right, or look odd. i dont
i miss the palace building too, but its still kinda sad, how everyone only waited a few years, if that, before the trucks started rolling in.
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"Had some more work completed along the o front - who at least
started, you would of seen "phase I" sold out."
And elephants would by now be flying; unfortunately, Larry isn't that
kind of developer.
When you pay pennies on the dollar, when all you know is drek, you
build or create more of the
agree 100% on the "inside sales". How many who purchased iuntend to
live there or purchased as a hopefully flip?
Had some more work completed along the o front - who at least started,
you would of seen "phase I" sold out.
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"Math help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740?"
Once you dump the insider deals, 1/3 of one; and that guy is only half
way there.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> MAth help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740?
>
> "They are part of the Wesley Grove project
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> MAth help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740?
>
> "They are part of the Wesley Grove project being built by Westminster
> Communities, which eventually could see 740 residences on several
> blocks."
>
> " Sixty-one more res
MAth help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740?
"They are part of the Wesley Grove project being built by Westminster
Communities, which eventually could see 740 residences on several
blocks."
" Sixty-one more residential units condominium flats and
duplexes are being constructed in a four-story
"The townhouses on Wesley lake dont look too bad. Also, keep in mind
when you drive down lake ave., your looking at the "back" of the
townhouses. Lake ave wont be a main road, onces its closed off a
block outward east (assuming that still happens)."
Terrific, Larry's joke on the water now passes
This is not correct:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The townhouses on Wesley lake dont look too bad.
> Also, keep in mind when you drive down lake ave.,
> your looking at the "back" of the townhouses.
They are guite terrible architecturally, the
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