[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-07-09 Thread Heshy
Jack, I take your point and feel a twinge of that nostalgia as well, but some things I DON'T miss AT ALL are printing up and posting a gazillion flyers, taking out ads in the papers you mentioned, calling people up and begging/harassing them to come to your gigs, and (worst of all) sending out

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-28 Thread sandpiper15
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's just say the reason these clubs aren't sold out every weekend > isn't solely because people don't like to go out and hear new music and > it's not only because of any "stigmas" related to Asbury Park. There > ar

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-28 Thread lightgrw
Let's just say the reason these clubs aren't sold out every weekend isn't solely because people don't like to go out and hear new music and it's not only because of any "stigmas" related to Asbury Park. There are far too many businesses around New Jersey (and especially in this area) that don

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-28 Thread sandpiper15
I had no idea. Sounds like these folks never left high school, which is quite telling. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I think I can speak from experience here (as the publisher and > owner of Upstage Magazine for its first four years) -- there

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-28 Thread sandpiper15
Ahh...now we're talking! Maybe a little Georger Porter and Art Neville action? I used to see Leo Nocentelli at the Village Underground in NY. That guy can lay it down. Now I've got to go dig up my Meters bootlegs. ;) Nicole did grow up in Neptune (proper, not City), but she lives on Cookman no

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-28 Thread lightgrw
Well, I think I can speak from experience here (as the publisher and owner of Upstage Magazine for its first four years) -- there is FAR too much politics around here regarding the venues and where they advertise. My publication had an audience that was well within many of the city magazines t

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-28 Thread sharon_b283
They're "private" clubs, not in AP! They have "atmosphere"! Both have a pool table, a fixture in most Black bars/clubs, DJ's with ALL music, Rock, Jazz, and R&B, which includes some Patriotic music! One has a dance hall, for hire, where great dances, receptions, get-togethers, are thrown for old

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-28 Thread sharon_b283
I think so-called Smooth Jazz, ISN'T! Being from New Orleans, I'm partial to Fushion, part Funk and part Beat! Funky-Beat, get it? Dixieland is way too slow for me, except when played in a funeral dirge, which the musicians do, there! I love Quincy Jones, George Duke and Bob James; like that!

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread sandpiper15
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How many ads are now taken out in print? And who reads them? Does an > 18 year old or 21 year old read the Press (paper) or App.com (if you > can find the entertainment section). What's the actual readership of > the TRi

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i-Pod. Text messaging cell phones Need Teen nights. PR How many ads are now taken out in print? And who reads them? Does an 18 year old or 21 year old read the Press (paper) or App.com (if you can find the enterta

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread Jack Pitzer
Another thing that was great about WHTG were the interviews that they did with all the great alternative stars of the day. You'd hear interviews with Smashing Pumpkins, Faith No More, Living Color, Bob Mould...it was like a who's who of who was big at the time. And those bands were playing at

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread Jack Pitzer
I'll take that one step further. I think our entire music scene went downhill after the demise of 106.3. That station really supported local music, and their DJ's also worked in The Green Parrot and other local clubs. Many of us had the good fortune to do interviews with Matt on the station, whi

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread Tom Matthews
The Brookdale station, WBJB - 90.5, has many of the survivors from 106.3 on their airstaff. They play quite a bit of local music and they were promoting the heck out of the Wave Gathering. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just remembered the ot

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread sandpiper15
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The one thing that worries me though is that MM and the city in general seem to be > steering any kind of music scene that we have away from mainstream/rock ect and more > toward safer things like cover bands, smooth

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread Jack Pitzer
I miss Jason's too. I also really miss Sonny's Supper Club on Cookman. Besides having some amazing meals there, I heard some great music in the back room, which was a great place to see a show. About a year ago there was talk about Sonny's coming back, but it seems like all work stopped. ---

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread sandpiper15
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Black Music has NEVER gotten its' due in this town, although it is > highly copied! Quoted for truth. Haven't several members of the E Street Band waxed poetic about the Orchid? I was really hoping Mel Hood was goin

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread Jack Pitzer
Sharon, I am completely with you about the demise of "black music" in AP. Where is the opportunity or the venues to support a scene? Nowhere. I, for one wish there were a scene that wasn't just rock, not just safe smooth jazz and blues, but more like what you described. A real Asbury Park music s

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread Jack Pitzer
Great Post! I agree about Nicole not sounding like Amy Winehouse. I just used that as a point of reference in that Nicole is much more sophisticated then pop music and she's hard to classify, much like Winehouse. Nicole doesn't come with the trainwreck problems that'll probably be the downfal

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread sharon_b283
Chico, is handling that and has always gotten his venues publicized, widely! You have to look at who is doing what! When Chico had Convention Hall, same thing; lots of advanced publicity, etc. Shaking my head and shrugging my shoulders! Ask the powers that be! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread sandpiper15
Regarding whether the city itself is doing enough to "promote" or "tout" these musicians - Did the city "promote" or "tout" Springsteen, Southside and any of the other SOAPers back in the late 60s/early 70s when they were coming up? I honestly don't know, but it would be interesting to research

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-27 Thread Jack Pitzer
Asbury Park doesn't want it's musical heritage to continue beyond Bruce Springsteen. We're headed toward "smooth" everything when it comes to music. This is despite the fact that The Saint, Asbury Lanes and The Stone Pony continue to provide a link to new, original and exciting music, but the ci

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2008-06-27 Thread lindagriggsartist
It is really weird. There was a kind of 'maintain radio silence' about it. But the event itself was wonderful and not hurt by it. The only loser was Asbury Park in that the town missed the chance to brag about it. It's like there's a disconnect between what's really great about the area and wh

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-26 Thread sandpiper15
Fair points all. It was, as I understand it, a privately produced festival. The promoters needed to get the word out. But Heshy's original post raises a separate but equally important point. There has long been an absence of viable alternative print media at the shore. This was brought into stark

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-26 Thread Jack Pitzer
The city was fully aware of the event. It's the 3rd year for the Wave Gathering. Tom Gilmore had it in his weekly newsletter. Scott from the Saint and the Wave organizers did plenty of PR, which is why we had a successful event this year. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PRO

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-26 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It was also missing from the park sign that announces AP events. > I find that to be a sad commentary on a city that was named one of the best places > to see live music in America. > Maybe instead of blasting the ci

[AsburyPark] Re: after the fact rant

2008-06-26 Thread Jack Pitzer
It was also missing from the park sign that announces AP events. I find that to be a sad commentary on a city that was named one of the best places to see live music in America. Since hearing about that USA today article, I can't help but wonder who paid to get that blurb in there? As a musicia