--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Right you are, I tend to think in present terms regarding the plan.
> The plan we have = current plan...The original plan = 1991 plan.
>
> I continue to believe the current plan was not arrived at legally.
>
> Wer
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> No to the 1991 plan, I can't find it. You said in your post
> the "original" plan. Since 1984 was superceded by 1987, and the
> latter by 1991, the "original" is 1984, or at least that is what one
> would reasonably as
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Dan,
>
> It appears that you are making the same error that was was made by
the Council and
> others when the Carabetta bankruptcy was settled. That is, using
the wrong plan. The
> 1984 Plan is irrelevent as it w
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check the 1984 plan I sent you. It's around page 62 or so. The map
> shows high density residential on both the Marine Grill (probably the
> portion that goes west of OA) and the Triangle.
>
Dan,
It appears that you are ma
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Dan, The "real" Marine Grill site, the one East of Ocean avenue at the
> foot of Deal Lake, was not even part of the original redevelopment plan.
>
> Recall that the eastern boundry of the Redevelopment Area is Ocean
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the 1984 plan envisioned high density residential on both the
> triangle and marine grill sites.
Dan, The "real" Marine Grill site, the one East of Ocean avenue at the
foot of Deal Lake, was not even part of the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The Triangle is clearly visible in the second image. What most people
do not realize is that
> the parcel was never developed or contemplated for development. it
has, as far as I can
> determined, been public prope
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> -got to back even further to the mid 70's when the first deal to sell
the boardwalk was
> hatched to a guy from Red bank named robert Oberst or something
close. I don't have docs,
> but perhaps werner could help pin do
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> from Peter lucia's amzing ap site:
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> http://homepage.mac.com/peterlucia/noweverthen/asbury/ap2fold/ap2.31.html
>
> the old triangle and marine grill.
>
The Triangle is clearly visible in the second image. What most peo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> -somewhere there was a once some proposals to develop the marine grill site.
> At some
point
> in time, the DEP and or the city denied the proposal. I'll think about it.
> Maybe it wound up
in
> the shredder.
>
The p
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> the 2002 agreement and the master plan don't even agree over the
marine grill site.
>
> Besides, in any other town, as it should be here - this is WETLANDS.
Take the example from
> Shark River and other little piece of
-got to back even further to the mid 70's when the first deal to sell the
boardwalk was
hatched to a guy from Red bank named robert Oberst or something close. I don't
have docs,
but perhaps werner could help pin down the time frame - 76-78 around there.
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the 2002 agreement and the master plan don't even agree over the marine grill
site.
Besides, in any other town, as it should be here - this is WETLANDS. Take the
example from
Shark River and other little piece of water - 300' from the water THEN start
your setbacks.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> -somewhere there was a once some proposals to develop the marine
grill site. At some point
> in time, the DEP and or the city denied the proposal. I'll think
about it. Maybe it wound up in
> the shredder.
>
I have it, i
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
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> There is going to be consequences to lying to the public
> > if that is what occurred.
>
> HA, HAHA, HAHAHA, AAA, ROTFL, LOL
>
> No consequences yet to
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-somewhere there was a once some proposals to develop the marine grill site. At
some point
in time, the DEP and or the city denied the proposal. I'll think about it.
Maybe it wound up in
the shredder.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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There is going to be consequences to lying to the public
> if that is what occurred.
HA, HAHA, HAHAHA, AAA, ROTFL, LOL
No consequences yet to the many lies and misrepresentations handed to the
public regarding
the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Did any of the appraisals note that in their report of the triangle.
>
Are you kidding? They didn't even include the street vacation areas
which the sales agreement clearly defines as enlarging the premises. In
the en
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Dan,
>
> That "problem" may have impacted the original plan to build on the
Marine Grill site. I just
> don't remember the details. I was a still a dumb kid then working
on getting married.
>
> So you mean to say that
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