[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I haven't read the plan in detail, but I gather from previous posts on > this board that the Master Developer has, on several occasions, failed > to meet their end of the contract (deadlines, etc). In light of that

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap" > wrote: > > > every building which > > anyone had an interest in preserving was included in the waterfront > > redevelopment plan. Once the area was included in t

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > every building which > anyone had an interest in preserving was included in the waterfront > redevelopment plan. Once the area was included in the plan, the > jurisdiction and control fell to the Master Developer.

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wondering - were there ever any serious offers to buy and restore > the Palace? Saving something like that requires both good intentions > and the financial resources and business plan that will fund it's > re

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Just wondering - were there ever any serious offers to buy and restore the Palace? Saving something like that requires both good intentions and the financial resources and business plan that will fund it's restoraton and deliver profits once that's done. I don't remember hearing of any real in

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

Just wondering - were there ever any serious offers to buy and restore the Palace? Saving something like that requires both good intentions and the financial resources and business plan that will fund it's restoraton and deliver profits once that's done. I don't remember hearing of any real in

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dougandcathy_mcqueen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I had the money, I'd love to preserve all of the buildings in > Asbury Park. But the fact is, I don't, and when market realities > dictate what gets done and not done, unfortunately money talks. > > That

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Oak: Since you aren't an engineer or scientist, there ARE methods OUT there, that would dispute your need for 6 cylinders! All of the ideas proposed back in the mid 70's, when the 1st oil crises occurred, back in 74' (under Nixon), had consumers clamoring for 4 cylinders back then. Bought my firs

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >to see some dude going 75 MPH on the parkway in his vanity > hummer getting about 8 MPG. > > I agree there. If I didn't think I had to, I wouldn't. I've been driving a rentla car the past couple days on a 1/4 tank. -

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I think if you're going to use an SUV for more then just a single person driving around by themselves, without hauling things, then it's fine. But, many people just seem to think bigger is better when it comes to the vehicles they drive. It's kinda pathetic to see some dude going 75 MPH on the

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>Don't own an SUV. I think if my wife WEREN't driving an SUV when her and another car collided a few weeks ago, she'd be gone. So now that it was totaled, I spent the better part of today looking at optionss a

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the fact alone that this artist has provoked you all in talking about art, I think is a success story. Also, you cannot compare the graffiti on the side of a building that is neglected, to your front door at home. The Baronet is not a public building, it is privately owned by developers that h

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I'm sorry I didn't see it. I did see "graffitti" on the walls of the Alamo, messages left by those who later died there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not all street art is malicious. > In London, there's a famous street artist named Banksy. > He'

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

"Money talks and nostalgia walks" You know what that says to me? The America and Asbury Park you are projecting is an empty, soulless place where money is the only thing that matters. That kind of attitude makes me want to run screaming from our mess of a country as quickly as possible. Even th

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

Even with a historical program that designates the buildings, unless you have the money, they will not get saved in a emerging city like AP. They money and demand just isn't there! Places like Cape May, Spring Lake and even OG have a demand for older buildings, so the developers can be forc

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

If I had the money, I'd love to preserve all of the buildings in Asbury Park. But the fact is, I don't, and when market realities dictate what gets done and not done, unfortunately money talks. That said, the other avenue to counter market forces is a historic preservation program that actuall

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Main street for example. > Asbury Ave. > now that's real social commentaryAP is a city within a city. While driving down AP Ave about 5 last night, windows down, on cell not paying any attention. Red light at Mt

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"Meanwhile, the graffiti (even if it is social commentary) continues to leave Asbury stuck with the downtrodden look that it has had for years, which leads residents and visitors to beleive that this place can't overcome its past." While we've had graffiti problems in the past, there is much more t

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Not all street art is malicious. In London, there's a famous street artist named Banksy. He's known all over the world, and I see a parallel between the art on the Baronet and what Banksy does. The brilliant part of the Baronet art was that it was done before the demolition happened on 4th ave.

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Did you see the art in question? It wasn't like typical graffiti at all. I agree with most of what else you had to say though. Personally, I think we should dress up Larry Fishman and his band of demolition "artists" in orange jumpsuits and parade them around the city to show people who destroyed

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

Social Commentary: Yes Art:Maybe Illegal:Definitely To say that it's not malicicious to destroy someone else's property (even public property) by spraypainting on it without their permission is ridiculous! Why do people think its OK to graffiti on public property w

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But, it wasn't painted on my front door. It was social commentary about Asbury Park. Not malicious. I have little doubt that the person who created it is a bona fide artist. I wish I would've taken a picture of it before it got covered up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTE

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Cool stuff. Here's an interview with a local "graffiti for hire" artist. http://www.artscap.org/node/29 I'm hoping to find a place with some windows to give him a try. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPa

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote: > > > > The graffiti was art, not just any old graffiti. The first time I > saw it, viewing it for about 2 > > > Here's one example: http://www.iht.com/articles/20

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kinda like "Wash Me", huh? I'm feeling you! They should repair the > windows too, of this Jewel by the Jersey Shore. My kids saw the > original "Bad News Bears", one of my first loves, tatum-o-neal... ---

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Kinda like "Wash Me", huh? I'm feeling you! They should repair the windows too, of this Jewel by the Jersey Shore. My kids saw the original "Bad News Bears", right there! It's now a classic on TCM and I bawl, when I watch it, because the little actors portraying this hard-up baseball team, exem

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The graffiti was art, not just any old graffiti. The first time I saw it, viewing it for about 2 > Art it may be, but if it were painted on your front door - would it be art or graffiti? I agree that graffiti is ar

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, juicy jenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess that "they" read the message that the public art piece was trying to convey..I have never seen anything fixed on that building since they have taken it over. > Its amazing that they chose to paint the side of the

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The graffiti was art, not just any old graffiti. The first time I saw it, viewing it for about 2 seconds as I drove by, I thought the same thing. Then I stopped and took a real look at it. It was art, and social commentary. Also, I don't know if anybody remembers what The Baronet looked like befo

Re: [AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

Only time will tell what happens with the buildings.  I hope the bowling alley gets to stay though.  Every town needs one!  Fix it up, let MM modernize it, but keep it for sure! Sadly though, I don't know if the painting of the Baronet has anything to do on weather it's staying or goin

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

Paint is cheap compared to fixing the broken windows. That's why I have little hope that the Baronet will be saved. I fully expect to drive by one morning to see the demolition underway. Also, we all know that "they" read this message board. "Nobody" is making any effort at all to give us a plan th

[AsburyPark] Re:baronet graffitti cleaned up

I guess that "they" read the message that the public art piece was trying to convey..I have never seen anything fixed on that building since they have taken it over. Its amazing that they chose to paint the side of the building instead of fix all the broken windows in the front.. Maybe someone s