[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread sbjaerum
Dean Blackketter asked: > Another proposal moved the 8 to 16 bit threshold from -35db to -30dB. What's the right value for this? The reason why I suggested to stop the modified gain calculations at -30dB is that below this value repeated values start to appear. In the list below, the patch is use

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbe Questions

2005-11-14 Thread jp1
Would appreciate any and all assistance on the below questions. I'm a bit swamped, but definitely want to upgrade. thanks much jp Which format is best to import in? Lossless or WAV? (FLAC vs. Itunes lossless, vs Windows Media lossless or uncompressed WAV?) From what I’ve heard FLAC is best, but i

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Signal Strength -- Ideal

2005-11-14 Thread highdudgeon
Firstly, I'm not having connectivity problems on the order of dropped connections. Sometimes, however, the connection does seem to freeze up or an annoying thing happens where I might press one or more buttons on the remote, the machine freezes, and then quickly cycles through them. In other wor

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread ob_kook
Off-Topic: Your mention of "wall of sound" and references to noise makes me think of the band My Bloody Valentine. www.allmusic.com has this to say about them: "My Bloody Valentine redefined what noise meant within the context of pop songwriting...Though My Bloody Valentine rejected rock & roll

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread Pat Farrell
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 20:02 -0800, Mike Anderson wrote: > Noise is also a lot harder to compress than pure tones. My time series > professor used to argue that if you look at the frequency spectrum of > rock and roll, it looks a lot more like noise than classical music > does! Wise guy. Actually

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread Pat Farrell
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 19:35 -0800, ob_kook wrote: > I use EAC + FLAC and was getting averages aroung 60%, so I think you are > definitely in the ballpark. I think mine are a tad better, but I have a lot of jazz and classical which are rumoured to compress better than pop. > You can set the lev

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread Mike Anderson
tass Wrote: > The style of music can definately affect how well files compress. I've > noticed on the highest compression of FLAC that pop/rock/normal(?) > music compresses high 60s to mid 70% ratio. Things like classical music > that have a lot of low-volume, silent or single instrument sections

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread ob_kook
I use EAC + FLAC and was getting averages aroung 60%, so I think you are definitely in the ballpark. You can set the level of compression in the command line of EAC if you use FLAC as the external compressor. The tradeoff is that the higher the compression, the longer it takes. I have read sever

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Import method in Itunes for best possible sound quality?

2005-11-14 Thread Pat Farrell
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 18:37 -0800, jplatner wrote: > can you specify what storage you recommend for say...700-1000 CDs in > either FLAC lossless or WAV? I'm not sure I understand what you are asking, I can't see the start of this thread. The sound quality between FLAC and wav/PCM should be identic

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Import method in Itunes for best possible sound quality?

2005-11-14 Thread jplatner
can you specify what storage you recommend for say...700-1000 CDs in either FLAC lossless or WAV? thx -- jplatner jplatner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2320 View this thread: http://forums.sli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Card

2005-11-14 Thread Pat Farrell
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 14:05 -0800, bgrounds wrote: > I just ordered a Squeezbox version 3. What > sound card to you recommend? Or are you saying that the sound card will > not affect the sound of the Squeezebox? Right, A Squeezebox is a computer, display and soundcard and NIC. It replaces the wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread dean blackketter
On Nov 14, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Patrick Dixon wrote: Given that the Squeezebox has a 24 bit output, the rounding error should be down at around at 138-144dB, not 90-96dB and I have a hard time believing that the effect would be as obvious as you state at that level. This is simply incorrect -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Card

2005-11-14 Thread bgrounds
Thanks for the quick reply. I just ordered a Squeezbox version 3. What sound card to you recommend? Or are you saying that the sound card will not affect the sound of the Squeezebox? -- bgrounds bgrounds's Profile: http://

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound Card

2005-11-14 Thread Pat Farrell
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 13:51 -0800, bgrounds wrote: > Will it make a difference what sound card I have in my system as far as > ripping and listening quality? For ripping? none at all. For playing, since this is a Slim list/forum, I assume you have one. They are tons better than any consumer sound

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound Card

2005-11-14 Thread bgrounds
Will it make a difference what sound card I have in my system as far as ripping and listening quality? -- bgrounds bgrounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2314 View this thread: http://forums.sl

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread Patrick Dixon
> Given that the Squeezebox has a 24 bit output, the rounding error > should be down at around at 138-144dB, not 90-96dB and I have a hard > time believing that the effect would be as obvious as you state at > that level.This is simply incorrect - the rounding error is at the 16th bit > of a 16-b

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread sbjaerum
dean Wrote: > I'm not entirely sure I understand the problem well enough to say > that this patch is correct. > > (I realize that there has been some listening tests done and you like > > it better, but I want to also make sure it's correct.) > > Given that the Squeezebox has a 24 bit outpu

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread skyrush
Patrick Dixon Wrote: > It's worth holding for this! Is the patch in any nightlies yet? if so, which version and which firmware version? I agree that if it affects audio quality, it's important. To be clear, I assume that at 100% volume the problem does nto exist...correct? -Joe -- skyrush

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread dean blackketter
I'm not entirely sure I understand the problem well enough to say that this patch is correct. (I realize that there has been some listening tests done and you like it better, but I want to also make sure it's correct.) Given that the Squeezebox has a 24 bit output, the rounding error shou

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread Patrick Dixon
It's worth holding for this! -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17269

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread netim3
I'd certainly like to see this patch incorporated. -- netim3 netim3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17269 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread dean blackketter
6.2.1 is likely to go out today, sorry it didn't make it. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sound Quality w/ Latest Firmware

2005-11-14 Thread Patrick Dixon
I have filed this as bug 2557 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 As things stand, the patch above (which I have tested and works well) is not considered important enough to make it into 6.2.1 So if you think different, you'd better vote for it and/or add you comments fast! -- Pa

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC

2005-11-14 Thread highdudgeon
Actually, while the Benchmark does trumpet (and performs) exceptional performance in terms of jitter management...my understanding is that it does not buffer the incoming stream. IE, it manages internal jitter. The new lavry unit (due out in a couple of weeks) buffers the incoming stream and eff

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC

2005-11-14 Thread highdudgeon
I use Harbeth Monitor 40s -- which are also huge studio monitors (most common in BBC studios, actually, and the technology was developed in concert with the BBC) and feature just about the flatest frequency response on the planet. ATC is also of this calibre. -- highdudgeon ---

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread radish
tass Wrote: > The style of music can definately affect how well files compress. I've > noticed on the highest compression of FLAC that pop/rock/normal(?) > music compresses high 60s to mid 70% ratio. Things like classical music > that have a lot of low-volume, silent or single instrument sections

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread tass
The style of music can definately affect how well files compress. I've noticed on the highest compression of FLAC that pop/rock/normal(?) music compresses high 60s to mid 70% ratio. Things like classical music that have a lot of low-volume, silent or single instrument sections can compress much be

RE: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread Malcolm Wotton
Your compression ratio (45.5/64.74 = 70%) seems a but high - that said most of my FLAC compressed files have a compression ratio around 55% so you're not too far off. I use FLAC.exe to compress my files with the maximum compression setting. Malcolm PS I do know that the type of music can affect

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - Did it Compress Correctly?

2005-11-14 Thread flidget
I've just created my first .flac files to see what difference (if any) I can hear through my Slim v2 and Arcam AVR300, via a digital connection. What shocked me, was that after running Exact Audio Copy (EAC) which called WACK, configured to compress using FLAC, I found that a CD image of 64.74Mb