CFP Wrote:
> This thread took a dive into incredulity a few pages back.
>
>
>
>
>
> when it was proposed WAV sounded better than FLAC :P
We here have been over this before, and unless you simply search the
archives, I suggest we start a new thread if you'd like to discuss it.
(S
I assumed the transmitter was hard wired. Now we learn that it probably
has a microphone pickup. I bet it's a fluke.
Just try the experiment a few more times and you will find that muting
the DAC makes no difference at all. Ideally, have someone else change
the setting on the flip of a coin so t
So, I've been following the discussions, reading and investigating the
specs, thinking about what I know and think about Slim Devices and how
I rate their competence and honesty, etc., etc., etc., and, naturally,
I have to think to myself: what about the cottage industry of
modifiers?
After all,
Transporter.
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sleepysurf Wrote:
> I posted my doorbell chime extender observation solely because, IMHO, it
> offers *objective* proof that *something* has changed.
Yep. To tell the truth, when I first read your post, I thought the
whole situation was extremely bizarre. But after thinking about it for
a whil
This is the silliest tweak I've heard (or should I say haven't heard)
yet. I tried it and couldn't hear any difference. Is there any reason
at all that this setting should change the digital output?
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andy_c Wrote:
> Q for sleepysurf: Is there a cable connecting the analog out of the SB
> to your preamp?
>
> If so, try the experiment with this cable disconnected.
>
> If there is no such cable, or the problem persists when the cable is
> removed, try using TosLink between the SB and Benchmar
pfarrell Wrote:
>
>
> Isn't the actual, delivered slope, or triggering voltage, constant
> with a connection that is made and left in place for a few million
> cycles? let alone the months that more real world users keep their
> gear connected?
I'm not sure if I follow you. I was not suggest
I decided that if I ran across a CD I just couldn't bear to rip I'd just
throw it out. I ended up pitching maybe 3 out of ~650.
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Whenever digital audio gets mentioned, it seems talk of jitter is not
far behind. Can someone provide for my reading pleasure a reasonably
scientific experiment or white paper that measures the audibility of
jitter, especially pertaining to the ranges commonly associated with
decent audio gear (i
seanadams wrote:
Precisely right... and maintaining the slope of those transitions
matters a lot if you care about jitter.
What? You mean real world wiring doesn't instantantously
keep the square wave, with infinite slope, moving down the wire? :-)
Isn't the actual, delivered slope, or trigge
andy_c wrote:
By most standards, the SPDIF signal is just barely in the RF world, or
at least not in serious RF mode. There are only 1.5 mega bits per
second, just above the AM radio band.
Just to nitpick a bit, the bandwidth in the analog domain is determined
by the required rise time of the
andy_c Wrote:
> Just to nitpick a bit, the bandwidth in the analog domain is determined
> by the required rise/fall time of the pulses, not by the number of
> pulses per unit time. Since the rise/fall times must be short compared
> to the pulse width (time duration of a single bit), the equivale
pfarrell Wrote:
>
> By most standards, the SPDIF signal is just barely in the RF world, or
> at least not in serious RF mode. There are only 1.5 mega bits per
> second, just above the AM radio band.
>
> There is also the minor detail that no wire with RCA connectors on it
> can be 75 ohm, which
andy_c wrote:
PhilNYC Wrote:
Here's a good article describing why you should use a 1.5m digital
cable
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue14/spdif.htm
Yikes. ... [snip] .. engineer knows that the
information in that linked article is completely false.
The referenced article smel
Well, I may have called it the wrong name, but I do know he's worked on
some stuff for Intel involving long distance data transmission systems
(or something like that). Perhaps the fact that Intel was never really
successful in that market says something...? I'll tell you that having
met Steve a
A transmission line engineer for Intel? That's too funny. There really
is no such thing as a "transmission line engineer" per se. That's like
being the proverbial Maytag repairman. People that work on things like
radar systems or wireless products that work in the GHz range must know
their tra
andy_c Wrote:
> Yikes. Any RF engineer that knows his transmission line theory and has
> experience with transmission line measurements knows that the
> information in that linked article is completely false.
FWIW, the author of the article (Steve Nugent) was a transmission line
engineer for
PhilNYC Wrote:
> Here's a good article describing why you should use a 1.5m digital
> cable
>
> http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue14/spdif.htm
Yikes. Any RF engineer that knows his transmission line theory and has
experience with transmission line measurements knows that the
informatio
PhilNYC Wrote:
> Yep, it certainly sounds like nonsense...no question about that. And I
> have never tried any of the Bybee products separate from my Dodson DAC,
> so I couldn't tell you any A/B-comparison-type experiences. But Ralph's
> engineering resume speaks for itself, and there's all sor
opaqueice Wrote:
>
> Anyway, we're at risk of falling very far off topic...
Yep...and despite taking an interest in learning how things work (or
don't work), the ultimate test is whether you like the sound or not...
:-)
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Dan Banquer found an EMI problem with the Squeezebox in this thread
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=30075.0, using an AM
radio tuned in between stations to pick up the noise.
In this thread
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=30207.0, he did more
experiments and
I've tried the Wireworld SuperNova 5 glass toslink cable and found it to
be very good. Still prefer my coax, but the SuperNova is 1/2 the price
of my coax cable and is 95% of the performance...
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This thread took a dive into incredulity a few pages back.
when it was proposed WAV sounded better than FLAC :P
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Has anybody done comparisons between the Coax and Toslink ? I have found
that my Sound Professionals Glass Toslink beats my Zu Ash coax on my
Philips 963SA DVD player into my Panasonic XR55. My Squeezebox has
arrived today and I think I will either conneting the Zu Ash or
switching the glass tosli
Yep, it certainly sounds like nonsense...no question about that. And I
have never tried any of the Bybee products separate from my Dodson DAC,
so I couldn't tell you any A/B-comparison-type experiences. But Ralph's
engineering resume speaks for itself, and there's all sorts of published
research
PhilNYC Wrote:
>
> Btw - I wouldn't discount the Bybee stuff. For 30+ years, Ralph was
> head of General Dynamics' "Black box" division, designing military
> systems (missle guidance, etc). Quantum purifiers were originally
> developed for military systems purposes, so Ralph has a long history
I've had long conversations with Ralph Dodson about whether a transport
should make a difference or not with the DA-218...and the bottom line
is that even with all the high-tech buffering and reclocking he does,
the transport still does make a difference. Talking to other engineers
in the industr
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digital-source Ive ever owned. Plus, Vinnies customer service is
second to none.
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PhilNYC Wrote:
> I use a Dodson Audio DA-218 DAC
>
> (Note: I'm also a Dodson dealer)
I hate to spoil the party (not sure for whom, however) but from
dodsonaudio.com:
"Input signal jitter is eliminated by first clocking the input signal
into a storage memory, then re-clocking the stored input
LHawes Wrote:
> Phil would you mind telling us what you are using?
>
> Larry
I use a Dodson Audio DA-218 DAC
(Note: I'm also a Dodson dealer)
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PhilNYC Wrote:
> I am not using a Benchmark DAC, but the difference is very noticeable to
> me.
Phil would you mind telling us what you are using?
Larry
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PhilNYC Wrote:
> I didn't notice that he was using the TosLink. Pure speculation here,
> but I would have guessed that muting the analog out would likely not
> have as much (at all?) of an effect on the Toslink out. Muting the
> analog out is essentially lowing the power demands of the power su
opaqueice Wrote:
> I'm not exactly sure what you mean by room compression, but I'm guessing
> you mean non-linear response of the air to compression versus
> rarefaction. If so I think that's an extremely small effect, and if
> you want with some thought I can give a numerical estimate on how sm
Phil Leigh Wrote:
> what about room compression? - surely you want to use a typical
> listening volume rather than getting the air in the room into an "air
> brick" state? (I realise it would have to be VERY loud to do that but
> even so...)
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by room compression
samplesj Wrote:
>
> Maybe try a coax connection instead too.
I didn't notice that he was using the TosLink. Pure speculation here,
but I would have guessed that muting the analog out would likely not
have as much (at all?) of an effect on the Toslink out. Muting the
analog out is essentially
samplesj Wrote:
> Thank you for the wonderful tweak.
>
> I'm not sure why it matters, but yes setting that preamp mute made a
> difference in my system too. Its much cleaner sounding now so I'm sure
> I could crank it louder without problems too.
>
> Here is an interesting question. Of the pe
andy_c Wrote:
> Ahh, you're right. I hooked it up through the analog output of the SB
> and verified that the analog level stays the same until the streaming
> is stopped (not just paused) and re-started. This makes the test
> harder to perform.
>
> After changing the technique to re-start the
what about room compression? - surely you want to use a typical
listening volume rather than getting the air in the room into an "air
brick" state? (I realise it would have to be VERY loud to do that but
even so...)
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PhilNYC Wrote:
> Andy, when you changed the setting to 63, did you stop the music and
> then re-start it? As mentioned previously, you might have to stop
> streaming to the SB in order for the setting to take effect.
Ahh, you're right. I hooked it up through the analog output of the SB
and ver
I've got NO idea what is going on here, but the difference is clear - my
hand was resting on my subwoofer (where my mouse lives) when I changed
the settings and restarted the track and I could easily feel increased
vibration in the top of the sub cabinet...something is definitely
different.
GreenMan Wrote:
> Why would you try to play as loud as possible? Wouldn't that
> artificially generate echo that wouldn't otherwise be there at ordinary
> listening volume? Wouldn't that skew the results for equalization at
> listening volume? (Alas, I'm no longer a teenager. Max volume is not
>
PhilNYC Wrote:
> Andy, when you changed the setting to 63, did you stop the music and
> then re-start it? As mentioned previously, you might have to stop
> streaming to the SB in order for the setting to take effect.
>
It would be great if those who hear a difference would try it blind.
Just
andy_c Wrote:
> I tried this and noticed no change whatsoever. My system uses a stock
> SB2 going into a Berhinger DEQ2496, then a Benchmark DAC1 using TosLink
> for both digital connections. I have a laptop on a table right next to
> my listening chair, so I can change the setting of the analo
aberdeencomponents Wrote:
> Phil
> Not as good as your refrence transport? You need to go to the
> Tacthackerforum, and tell them how it is!
> I got something that "might" give yout tport a run, hint..?
> O
I stopped arguing with Tact owners long ago... ;-)
Sure, what's the hint? My reference
opaqueice Wrote:
> Hugh (Inguz) had some nice step-by-step instructions posted somewhere to
> get you started. Basically, you record the sweep played through a
> speaker on one channel using the mic, and you record the analogue out
> of your SB or DAC on the other channel. Then you do the same
I tried this and noticed no change whatsoever. My system uses a stock
SB2 going into a Berhinger DEQ2496, then a Benchmark DAC1 using TosLink
for both digital connections. I have a laptop on a table right next to
my listening chair, so I can change the setting of the analog
attenuation without m
I've just tried it too (despite usual initial scepticism) and a quick
listen to Johnny Cash - American V showed a real (and audibly
reversible) "improvement"!
What is going on?
I'm going for a lie down and then more listening...
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PhilNYC Wrote:
> I just tried this...very cool. Lower noise floor, reduced harshness in
> the vocals and cymbals...still not where my reference transport is, but
> I'm pretty surprised that the gap closed as much as it did.
> Interesting...
Phil
Not as good as your refrence transport? You need
samplesj Wrote:
> Thank you for the wonderful tweak.
>
> I'm not sure why it matters, but yes setting that preamp mute made a
> difference in my system too. Its much cleaner sounding now so I'm sure
> I could crank it louder without problems too.
>
> Here is an interesting question. Of the pe
I think this is the pre-cursor for going down that mad road of cable
swapping, brass cones, and other tweaks... ;-)
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Strange
I actually heard a difference...
The voices seemed not so in my face, a little further back, behind the
speakers, (I like the in your face effect) so not so good, but they
sounded so much more real :)
Harsh sounding tracks I actually listened to all the way through, which
never usuall
Thank you for the wonderful tweak.
I'm not sure why it matters, but yes setting that preamp mute made a
difference in my system too. Its much cleaner sounding now so I'm sure
I could crank it louder without problems too.
Here is an interesting question. Of the people that can hear an
improveme
Thanks for the info, good idea, I'll have a play with the software...
Lawrence..
rick's cafe Wrote:
> Although Transporter is a new product think it is safe to say as follows
> :
>
> 1) no limit on number of files - other than the size of your hard drive
> storage
>
> 2) Yes it will requi
GreenMan Wrote:
> Thanks. I think the only thing I'm missing that I want is a decent
> outboard dac. Contemplating Benchmark Dac1, Bel Canto, Scott Nixon, or
> a LiTE dAC-ah.
People have all sorts of feelings about these things. I owned a Lavry
DA10 for a while and had a Bel Canto DAC2 on loan.
opaqueice Wrote:
> There's a gadget that sits "on" the doorbell, and is activated when it
> rings and sends the wireless signal.
ok, I see!
I didn't see that link to the actual extender!
Quite a novel product!
Then it seems almost certain that it is the audio itself that triggers
the doorbell.
I love mine but it is a RWA SB2 not SB3. I was tempted by the Bolder
mod as well as the RedWine but bottom line from all the comments I've
read there is not much difference between the two in terms of sound
quality. However, RWA has one thing that was really big for me, it is
battery powered. S
P Floding Wrote:
> The doorbell sends a wireless signal to the extender. The extender
> doesn't listen via a microphone (although that would be a very novel
> approach).
There's a gadget that sits "on" the doorbell, and is activated when it
rings and sends the wireless signal. I would have thou
Q for sleepysurf: Is there a cable connecting the analog out of the SB
to your preamp?
If so, try the experiment with this cable disconnected.
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lozcs Wrote:
>
>
> - Is there a limit to the number of files the Transporter will
> catalogue?
>
> - Does the transporter need server side software installed or can it
> just read SAMBA shares?
>
> - Does it have a web interface for control?
>
Although Transporter is a new product think it
Hi,
I've been using an Audiotron to stream my music for about the last 4.5
years.
My music collection is now more than the Audiotron will catalogue and
therefore play (limits at around 27k depending on filename and tag
info) so I'm looking for a replacement.
The Transporter looks ideal but I ha
Same improvements for me with the analog mute trick.
Thanks for this usefull tip !
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opaqueice Wrote:
> So let me make sure I understand - this chime extender thing is a
> microphone that sits by the doorbell and listens for the doorbell
> chime, and when it hears it sends a signal to the remote unit (which
> makes a sound). You're saying if your music is playing certain notes
>
opaqueice Wrote:
> So let me make sure I understand - this chime extender thing is a
> microphone that sits by the doorbell and listens for the doorbell
> chime, and when it hears it sends a signal to the remote unit (which
> makes a sound). You're saying if your music is playing certain notes
>
>
> Any tips? I should be trying this in the next few days and any
> suggestions would be appreciated.
> Steve
Hugh (Inguz) had some nice step-by-step instructions posted somewhere
to get you started. Basically, you record the sweep played through a
speaker on one channel using the mic, and you
sleepysurf Wrote:
>
> Now, this begs the question (for Sean I suppose), WHY does this work???
> It certainly sounds like there could be a permanent software fix for
> this issue.
So let me make sure I understand - this chime extender thing is a
microphone that sits by the doorbell and listens f
opaqueice Wrote:
> ... makes a very significant improvement in sound.
That's good to hear!
> In my experience the hardest part of DRC is getting a good measurement.
Any tips? I should be trying this in the next few days and any
suggestions would be appreciated.
regards
Steve
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GreenMan Wrote:
> I haven't had a chance to try this out yet. Has anyone done anything
> with the Inguz tools?
I've been using Inguz's plugin since an early alpha version a few
months ago. Due to lack of time and lots of travelling, I haven't
upgraded yet to the more recent versions, but the on
> In short: go for it -- run that SB3 straight to the amp! Don't worry
> about attenuation! Save some money! Enjoy the music!
I don't disagree, however I feel more comfortable with the attenuators
since they are relatively cheap and a software glitch could be
uncomfortable. My redundant preamp vo
I was hoping that someone would tell us how they went.
I have all the software set up and running. I got an Alesis io2 audio
interface off ebay (the Tascam was out of stock). I am just waiting on
a microphone. I am not 100% sure how to do the measurements (exactly
what am I measuring?) but I gue
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