[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: To DAC or not to DAC

2006-08-20 Thread highdudgeon
Or just buy a transporter, for heaven's sakes. Bybee filters...? Please. -- highdudgeon SB3->Nuforce 9.02->Harbeth Monitor 30s/Skylan stands and Quad ESL-988s. Simple and satisfying. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forum

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Tried the 63.0 (mute) attenuation thing........

2006-08-20 Thread andy_c
I tried this tweak and even my wife can tell the difference over the telephone!!! And I'm not even married!!! :-). -- andy_c andy_c's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3128 View this thread: http://

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: To DAC or not to DAC

2006-08-20 Thread davidcotton
You could always try the cheaper elpac psu + mods while its around. Why not try listening to the stock sb2 first though, to see if you like it as is? -- davidcotton davidcotton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/mem

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread JohnnyLightOn
CFP Wrote: > You're right. Perhaps one day science can tell us how computers work. Science can explain how a computer works because it's relatively easy to figure out. The problem comes when some scientists become arrogant, probably as a result of fear or insecurity, and claim that something i

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods

2006-08-20 Thread CFP
seanadams Wrote: > Not really. It's like putting a grapefruit shooter on an Acura, or > upgrading your plug wires, or all the other hundreds of ways you can > pour money into it for little (or quite often negative) benefit. > > The system as a whole is designed from the start for some level of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread Hiroyuki Hamada
I would set it at 63 and try a good quality EQ device or a software. Hiroyuki On Aug 20, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Deaf Cat wrote: Would you believe I actually find the attenuation on 0 preferable to 63... Oh yes. Yes, I do find things sound more real with the 63 att especially with regards to voic

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread Robbymagman
Skunk Wrote: > Set it to 31.5? That is absolutely hilarious! :D But who knows, it might actually work! I must say that I have been following this thread and am quite amazed that my simple "mute" suggestion (and I have to side with those that have found a noticable improvement) has generated

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread ezkcdude
PhilNYC Wrote: > So now ezkcdude is a believer in this tweak... ;-) Well, let's say it's a step in the right direction. At the very least, it's nice to see someone actually characterizing what they hear, and not just saying "it's better". -- ezkcdude SB3->Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC->M

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread PhilNYC
Deaf Cat Wrote: > Would you believe I actually find the attenuation on 0 preferable to > 63... Oh yes. > So now ezkcdude is a believer in this tweak... ;-) -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com Phil

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread Skunk
Deaf Cat Wrote: > > What I want to know is how do I get the realness when on 63 and keep my > forwardness/footappingness? > Please, any one know ?? :) Set it to 31.5? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread Deaf Cat
Would you believe I actually find the attenuation on 0 preferable to 63... Oh yes. Yes, I do find things sound more real with the 63 att especially with regards to voices which is rather good. However, things seem generally quiter and more distant (even when turned up), but more Real:-D I'v

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread PhilNYC
ezkcdude Wrote: > Then I don't believe the effect is real! We're not talking about an > objective measurement with an indisputable value. I wouldn't have any > argument if you told me the tweak lowered jitter, for example. How can > I argue with that? With a subjective measurement alone, though,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods

2006-08-20 Thread blackbear
seanadams Wrote: > > ... > The system as a whole is designed from the start for some level of > price/performance, and it can't be greatly exceeded by swapping out a > few parts. Sure, if you really know what you're doing you might be > able to squeeze out a fraction of a dB here or there, but

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods

2006-08-20 Thread seanadams
blackbear Wrote: > One could argue, though, that at 10 cents, ANY improvement would be > cost-effective. Not really. It's like putting a grapefruit shooter on an Acura, or upgrading your plug wires, or all the other hundreds of ways you can pour money into it for little (or quite often negativ

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods

2006-08-20 Thread blackbear
seanadams Wrote: > It's been covered before, but basically we already get the data sheet > specs of the KE grade by using the K, so it's unlikely to make a > cost-effective improvement. It is quite likely that they are the same > part - it's common practice to mark different grades or speeds of a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread cliveb
Phil Leigh Wrote: > Computers are deterministic systems; for a given set of inputs a set of > outputs can be accurately predicted... I'm sitting here in front of a Microsoft-based computer, and I just can't follow the logic of your statement :-) -- cliveb Performers -> dozens of mixers and ef

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Is jitter an issue with the SB? Would a Benchmark DAC1 fix it?

2006-08-20 Thread Patrick Dixon
deadkenny Wrote: > You may get jitter during the DAC stage but the very short distances > signals have to travel would mean jitter is essentially zero.But what about > the inherent jitter in the local clock? No clock is perfect. It's not really about the distance, it's more about the way you p

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods

2006-08-20 Thread Patrick Dixon
blackbear Wrote: > > The stock SB3 has less than 100pS jitter on the coax output. Have > anyone seen measurements on any of the modded versions? > We did some J-test plots for the SB+ vs a stock SB3 http://www.at-view.co.uk/sb2_jitter.htm Jitter isn't just a number so "xx"ps is not always very

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor

2006-08-20 Thread Phil Leigh
CFP Wrote: > You're right. Perhaps one day science can tell us how computers work. Well that's kind of the whole issue in a nutshell. Computers are deterministic systems; for a given set of inputs a set of outputs can be accurately predicted, measured and confirmed as factual/correct. An audio

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods

2006-08-20 Thread Skunk
What's up w/ electronics catching on fire lately? Don't forget to add some Bybee filters while you're in there soldering! -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: ht