[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Getting Transporter combo in Canada

2006-10-21 Thread RF Dude
USPS and ebay rules if you can find an American vendor that will send this way. Bonus if they understate the value of the device. Got my SB3 and had to pay very little taxes (barely into double digits) which includes the $5 Canada Post brokerage fee. But this works for a SB3... admittedly wou

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] On "super regulators" and royalties...

2006-10-21 Thread ezkcdude
Not knowing exactly the regulator topology of the Transporter, other than it is "based on" Walt Jung's widely acclaimed (and copied) designs, I was just wondering whether Slim Devices (or now Logitech) pays any royalties to Mr. Jung. If not, why not? Are Jung regulators considered public domain, o

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter, Inside Out

2006-10-21 Thread Mark Lanctot
WSLam;139975 Wrote: > =) > > Enjoy. > > One advice for all the people waiting for their Transporters. Get some > sleep NOW. Since the Transporter arrives, I have not slept before 4am > every night. It's draining...but so exciting! Y'know - I see what you mean! With me it's the case of liking

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
highdudgeon;148650 Wrote: > For a meter or half meter run of cable...it's silly to think XLR has any > particular advantage. Mind you, I use a lot of XLR gear...but that's > just because it happens to be balanced. (Like my Lavry, for instance). I need to use an adaptor plug (xlr to rca ) becau

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread highdudgeon
For a meter or half meter run of cable...it's silly to think XLR has any particular advantage. Mind you, I use a lot of XLR gear...but that's just because it happens to be balanced. (Like my Lavry, for instance). tomjtx;148648 Wrote: > That is what I thought you meant. The problem is if you u

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
highdudgeon;148636 Wrote: > Actually, I wasn't clear. The deal is that, without analog attenuation, > the thing is really, really, reall loud. So, you turn it way down, and > that gets you, possibly, into a area of degradation. > > Now, if you set analog attenuation, you can keep the digital

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-21 Thread boybees
Patrick Dixon;148620 Wrote: > > Why on earth are people so obsessed with this volume control thing? And why are you testy about people being obsessed with this volume control thing? Seriously, your expertise is a real asset to this forum. If you would be so kind as to answer the couple of foll

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporters in MV?

2006-10-21 Thread radish
Give them a call, you may be able to work something out. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28781 __

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread highdudgeon
Actually, I wasn't clear. The deal is that, without analog attenuation, the thing is really, really, reall loud. So, you turn it way down, and that gets you, possibly, into a area of degradation. Now, if you set analog attenuation, you can keep the digital volume up without blowing your ears

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
highdudgeon;148623 Wrote: > Volume attenuation in the Transporter is digital, happening before the > DAC. If you're running direct to a power amp, then you need some form > of analog attentuation for two reasons: 1) to protect your speakers in > case of some sort of failure (read Sean's posts on

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3/DAC direct to power amp

2006-10-21 Thread JohnSwenson
Well I finally got SlimServer 6.5.0 and firmware 64 installed, the volume control is much better! I can't hear any differnece now when using the digital volume control, 99 sounds the same as 100, just slightly softer. Way to go guys! John S. -- JohnSwenson -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread highdudgeon
Volume attenuation in the Transporter is digital, happening before the DAC. If you're running direct to a power amp, then you need some form of analog attentuation for two reasons: 1) to protect your speakers in case of some sort of failure (read Sean's posts on this) and 2) to maintain your volu

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-21 Thread Patrick Dixon
NewBuyer;148577 Wrote: > Again limiting the question to volume levels from max 100 down to around > 40: > > Does the SNR loss becomes less noticeable to the listener, as the > volume is decreased through this range (i.e. less volume, so less > quality loss perception)? Less noticeable than wha

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread Patrick Dixon
tomjtx;148609 Wrote: > I think I should rephrase my question. > > I have disabled the digital attenuation. > > According to SD this doesn't affect the volume control when listening > through the analouge outs. However is the volume control digital or > analouge at this point? I have no idea wh

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporters in MV?

2006-10-21 Thread eq72521
I'm a long-time customer that just moved to Palo Alto and was seriously considering doing this. I'm curious though if the option is still available given the acquisition by Logitech. If it is, although the page says 9-5 M-F, I'm curious if anyone able to do a demo is ever in on Saturday or Sunda

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
I think I should rephrase my question. I have disabled the digital attenuation. According to SD this doesn't affect the volume control when listening through the analouge outs. However is the volume control digital or analouge at this point? -- tomjtx -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
Thanks Patrick, I have disabled the digital vol. control, so it is at 100 I am using balanced outputs in the analouge so there is no att. adjustment possible, it is fixed at 0db. I was wondering about the TP analouge volume setting if I use a pre-amp. Should I set it at max and use the pre-amp

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Networking Problem

2006-10-21 Thread Tim S
There was another network from one of my neighbor's houses on there. I guess it could have connected to it when failing to connect to mine? I dunno. Doesn't sound like it should work that way. In any case it is working now and sounding really good. Tim -- Tim S

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-21 Thread NewBuyer
Phil Leigh;148489 Wrote: > If you're playing 16-bit source over SPDIF to an external DAC at full > volume it doesn't really matter if the dac is 24 or 16 bit. OK, but what if you are using volume between 40 and 100 (the "no bit loss" range), and thus not always full volume? -- NewBuyer -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-21 Thread NewBuyer
Patrick Dixon;148499 Wrote: > ...by running the SB volume between 40 and 100 and not using a pre-amp, > you swap the SNR loss in the preamp gain stage and volume control, for > a SNR loss in the SB DAC... Again limiting the question to volume levels from max 100 down to around 40: Does the SNR

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread Patrick Dixon
tomjtx;148528 Wrote: > It's not clear in the manual if TP analog att. is digital or not as it > is in the SB. > Could Sean enlighten us. > Also , if it is not digital is full volume setting unity gain? The attenuation is via resistors on the analogue outputs - so it's analogue. You also have the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread Patrick Dixon
Mark Lanctot;148525 Wrote: > I'm not sure if the attenuation circuit affects the digital volume? It doesn't - you set the attenuation to get the digital volume control working in the range from 0db to -30db (as high as possible) at your normal listening levels. Where you set it will depend on th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Networking Problem

2006-10-21 Thread EFP
is it possible there is another wireless network in range with the same name but lacking security? that would explain the successful dhcp but then can't find your slimserver -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Arrived!

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
Got my TP yesterday, I wont repeat whats been said, just affirm all the positives were apparent in my system too (watt/puppies, jeff rowland) I am very happy with the blind purchase, partially guided by the many positive reviews in this forum.thanks guys. I might even break even with

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
It's not clear in the manual if TP analog att. is digital or not as it is in the SB. Could Sean enlighten us. Also , if it is not digital is full volume setting unity gain? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdev

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread Mark Lanctot
highdudgeon;148518 Wrote: > 2. How much digital attenuation am I using...enough to get into > artefacting at low volumes? I'm not sure if the attenuation circuit affects the digital volume? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread tomjtx
you can disable all digital attenuation using the interface in player settings. I am using a pre amp and I wonder where to set the analog volume on the transporter for best sound? Will try direct into the amp to compare. -- tomjtx ---

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?

2006-10-21 Thread highdudgeon
Correction: make that -10db. So, using -10db of internal analog attenuation, I wonder: 1. How much protection am I getting for my speakers? Enough not to blow the system? 2. How much digital attenuation am I using...enough to get into artefacting at low volumes? I haven't played around that m

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Networking Problem

2006-10-21 Thread radish
Let us know how it goes! -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28904 __

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Networking Problem

2006-10-21 Thread Tim S
I don't know what was happening before, but I just went through setup again and now I got the option to setup the security. Odd. Anyway, it should probably work now. I just installed the latest slimserver build and it is scanning my music again so it will be a while before I can try to connect ag

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Another volume control question

2006-10-21 Thread boybees
JohnSwenson;148463 Wrote: > In the SB3 both the regular volume control and the preamp level are done > in the digital domain. The regular is done in the processor under > control of the firmware and the preamp level is done using the > attenuator in the DAC chip itself. I'm not sure how that is s

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Networking Problem

2006-10-21 Thread Tim S
I just got my Transporter and am trying to get it installed. When I set the wireless network settings it doesn't let me enter in the WEP key for the router. Somehow it still says it connects and gets an ip, but then it won't connect to slimserver. My Squeezebox connects just fine and it allowed m

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-21 Thread Patrick Dixon
NewBuyer;148484 Wrote: > > So the idea is, that losing some SNR as you decrease volume between 100 > and 40 won't really matter much, because (after all) the decreased > volume means you probably can't hear/notice this difference - is this > correct?Not really. All volume controls will lose som

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-21 Thread Phil Leigh
If you're playing 16-bit wav/flac at full volume it doesn't really matter if the dac is 24 or 16 bit. A 16-bit DAC ignores the last 8 bits. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?user

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Simple question about SB digital output

2006-10-21 Thread NewBuyer
radish;139268 Wrote: > It is sent down the SPDIF at 24-bit. If the volume control is at 100% > then the bottom byte will be all zeros, a 16-bit DAC will strip the > bottom byte and so it is effectively bit-perfect. > > This is with lossless streaming. If you use the onboard mp3 decoder > then th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of SB3 volume control

2006-10-21 Thread NewBuyer
I'm new to the SB3, and I think this is great information to know about the ~40 volume value. Thanks to all previous posters in this thread! So the idea is, that losing some SNR as you decrease volume between 100 and 40 won't really matter much, because (after all) the decreased volume means you

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Another volume control question

2006-10-21 Thread JohnSwenson
In the SB3 both the regular volume control and the preamp level are done in the digital domain. The regular is done in the processor under control of the firmware and the preamp level is done using the attenuator in the DAC chip itself. I'm not sure how that is split up in the transporter. John