[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-22 Thread inguz
"Flatness": DRC creates a correction filter against its target curve (flat, by default), but often a flat target can sound thin and, well, flat. So my flatness filter looks at the frequency response of the correction filter and inverts it, over ten steps; theoretically so that with flatness=0 th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread highdudgeon
The incinerator totally kicks booty. I'm a phatboy. It's all brain waves. tomjtx;156853 Wrote: > Are you sure that product isn't from a parallell universe? The 3rd brane > perhaps? > > As in the membranes of paralell universes known as branes. > In the 3rd brane there is a company called Phat

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread tomjtx
jhm731;156849 Wrote: > Behold already has a devise that does A/D directly in the tonearm's > headshell: > > http://www.behold.eu/page.php?en336200 Are you sure that product isn't from a parallell universe? The 3rd brane perhaps? As in the membranes of paralell universes known as branes. In the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread jhm731
highdudgeon;156845 Wrote: > Digital turntables totally rock. I hear Linn is coming out with one > that has analog and digital outputs, with BNC, AES/EBU, TOSlink, and > coax outputs. The cartridge uses brain waves. Behold already has a devise that does A/D directly in the tonearm's headshell:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread opaqueice
chinablues;156694 Wrote: > I find your responses on cables to be quite excellent, marrying as they > do, an element of physics with an elequence of writing. Then again, > I've never been into the crystalline nature of copper. R, L and C I > can understand. But I'll be the first to admit, my ears

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread highdudgeon
Again, it is brain waves -- all brain waves. If we all squint our eyes and concentrate at the same time, your system will 1) sound great or 2) blow up. Either way, you will come to closure ; ) tyler_durden;156803 Wrote: > You missed the point. It sounded great until I started thinking that I

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 into TacT - how good can it get?

2006-11-22 Thread krochat
P Floding;156840 Wrote: > Are they nicer than the VU meters you can get on the SB3? Beats me - I don't know how to configure them, and need the one display to tell me what I'm listening to. You can see the Transporter VU meters on the last (fourth) video at http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-en

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread opaqueice
georgem;156696 Wrote: > I think it is a great and inexpensive opportunity to spend 50 on ps +100 > on mod +25 for shipping and make up an informed opinion on such a > controversial topic. People without interest in audio (99.999% of the > population ?) roll their eyes even if you mention this, a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 into TacT - how good can it get?

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
krochat;156792 Wrote: > Folks, > > I've now had a Transporter for a week and have done some testing with > it and the SB3 into my TacT system (see signature). In all cases, the > Transporter and SB3 were synchronized as to volume and source > material. > > There are a large number of permutatio

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 into TacT - how good can it get?

2006-11-22 Thread krochat
jhm731;156831 Wrote: > Are you're going to send the Transporter back for a refund? I'm going to keep it another week to give it a fair shake (you know, it case it wants to "break in"). If everything's the same after that it will be returned. So far, I really like the VU meters and have hardly u

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-22 Thread highdudgeon
Your speaker placement is funky, to say the least. I left this in another post but it warrants repeating here: begin by using Allison rules for speaker placement. There is plenty about this on the Web and Mr. Allison did the math and knew his subject. It boils down to this: 1. Take a measurem

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 into TacT - how good can it get?

2006-11-22 Thread jhm731
krochat;156792 Wrote: > Folks, > > I've now had a Transporter for a week and have done some testing with > it and the SB3 into my TacT system (see signature). In all cases, the > Transporter and SB3 were synchronized as to volume and source > material. > > There are a large number of permutatio

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread adamslim
P Floding;156817 Wrote: > my own cable Was it fun to make? -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
adamslim;156819 Wrote: > Was it fun to make? Sure. More like "interesting" than fun.. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread adamslim
tyler_durden;156803 Wrote: > Or maybe the people conducting the test actually changed something as > part of the test. Schrodinger's cat is dead. No, wait, Schrodinger's cat is alive. No, wait. -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
adamslim;156815 Wrote: > Touche ;) > > Although, I have spent about 1/20th my total hi-fi spend on cables. I > think this makes me below average, although am willing to stand > corrected. Rest assured my Nordosts are far from the monofilaments or > whatever their latest wheeze is I tested the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-22 Thread totoro
rbl;156805 Wrote: > Many thanks guys > - finally the volume is much lower. I guess this comes from the fact > that you can't boost frequencies since you may get clipping in the > digital domain, so you have to lower the volume of everything else to > achieve the same effective result? > I had e

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread adamslim
P Floding;156780 Wrote: > Hey, that must be why you have Nordost cables!? ;-) Touche ;) Although, I have spent about 1/20th my total hi-fi spend on cables. I think this makes me below average, although am willing to stand corrected. Rest assured my Nordosts are far from the monofilaments or w

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: REDGUM Amps with Transporter...?

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
truckfighters;156799 Wrote: > well, yes harman kardon sucks. > > but there is exactly one amp which surpassed all thoughts. the HK PM > 665. > > it is still considered as a very high-end amp these days. there are > even high-end people who sell new stuff, who claim that you would have > to spen

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread richidoo
georgem;156696 Wrote: > ..people readily accept 2000+ year old legends as facts that we will be > celebrating in few weeks.An opportunity to objectively evaluate a > controversial topic under $200 makes a great xmas gift. Hey, 2000 years from now, people will believe that a linear power su

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread tyler_durden
jhm731;156729 Wrote: > If your system sounds like crap, try another digital source or get a > turntable and some LPs. You missed the point. It sounded great until I started thinking that I might unwittingly be involved in a test. Or maybe the people conducting the test actually changed somethi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-22 Thread rbl
inguz;156556 Wrote: > Also check the "Flatness" setting in the plugin. Flatness 10 should > give the "flat" in-room response. Many thanks guys Inguz - I tried setting flatness to 10 and that definitely helps - certainly some of the high end has come back, although the sound is still very "thum

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread totoro
>From my experience, speaker placement, room behavior, and room correction make a pretty huge difference. I'll probably get either a dac or a transporter at some point, but I will not do it until I've finished with my room and found it lacking. Already started using room correction (inguz). This

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: REDGUM Amps with Transporter...?

2006-11-22 Thread truckfighters
well, yes harman kardon sucks. but there is exactly one amp which surpassed all thoughts. the HK PM 665. it is still considered as a very high-end amp these days. there are even high-end people who sell new stuff, who claim that you would have to spend 3000 eur or more to surpass that thing. we

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 into TacT - how good can it get?

2006-11-22 Thread krochat
Folks, I've now had a Transporter for a week and have done some testing with it and the SB3 into my TacT system (see signature). In all cases, the Transporter and SB3 were synchronized as to volume and source material. There are a large number of permutations, and I've tried many of them. I gues

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 -getting better with battery power

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
ezkcdude;156786 Wrote: > I also think you don't need the "pre-regulator". Just run the 6V > straight into the SB3. It should be fine, as long as the current > capacity is large enough (>1A). I would imagine the SqueezeBox uses LDO > regulators, anyway. Not sure. When I experimented with using a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: REDGUM Amps with Transporter...?

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
truckfighters;156408 Wrote: > well the amp RGi120ENR is around $3000 USD, had luck and got it > cheaper... > > I had a modded HK PM 665 before where I just used the main in directly > out of the transporter (no preamp). > > This old PM 665 is still considered to be very good sounding, although

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 -getting better with battery power

2006-11-22 Thread ezkcdude
I also think you don't need the "pre-regulator". Just run the 6V straight into the SB3. It should be fine, as long as the current capacity is large enough (>1A). I would imagine the SqueezeBox uses LDO regulators, anyway. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3->E

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Music in your car

2006-11-22 Thread regalma1
The simple statement that 70 dB of audio noise from the car will reduce your listening to the remaining 26 dB of SNR on the CD is just way to simplistic. Think about it. If you could only pick up 26 dB you could barely hear your music. The human ear is extraordinarily capable of picking up sounds

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
adamslim;156630 Wrote: > I agree. We live in a strange world where people prefer to spend really > large sums of hard-earned money, rather than spending the time to try > out important 'tweaks' like speaker placement, contact cleaning and > isolation. Odd. Hey, that must be why you have Nordos

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Music in your car

2006-11-22 Thread regalma1
It looks like a great idea, but it seems to be limited to only OEM systems. I wouldn't be willing to give up my Alpine head unit. The original Acura unit doesn't come close to it. -- regalma1 regalma1's Profile: http://for

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 -getting better with battery power

2006-11-22 Thread P Floding
genoaz;156764 Wrote: > What if you just use four NiMH rechargable batteries, straight in - no > regulators. [EMAIL PROTECTED] volts/2500 mAh. I wonder how that would sound? Probably fine. If you can get larger capacity ones that's even better. You probably want to parallel the battery with a d

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 -getting better with battery power

2006-11-22 Thread genoaz
What if you just use four NiMH rechargable batteries, straight in - no regulators. [EMAIL PROTECTED] volts/2500 mAh. I wonder how that would sound? -- genoaz genoaz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?use

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Recommended inexpensive Linear PSU Wallwart for SB3?

2006-11-22 Thread stamsyl
I saw it on Ebay. (item # 180054037839) 8$... A picture of it there shows a 5v. 2amp. output. Is it a linear PS? Regulated? Could it be even better than the usual WM075... ones ? Any help on this would be appreciated. -- stamsyl -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Active Speakers for Conservatory

2006-11-22 Thread Mark Lanctot
lanierb;156738 Wrote: > Another option on speakers is the Onix XLS speakers from www.avs123.com > (currently $219). Watch out, there's an annoying cybersquatter there (don't you hate that?) Try www.av123.com -- Mark Lanctot

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Active Speakers for Conservatory

2006-11-22 Thread lanierb
davidmoore2607;154748 Wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for the info so far. All very enlightening. A number of thes > speakers have been past the wife test and failed. Current least > despised option from her are a pair of B&W LM1, which though not active > could be paired up with a Sonic Impact T A

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread jhm731
tyler_durden;156721 Wrote: > One of my friends who was over for dinner last night said something that > makes me suspect that I am involved in an audio comparison test. He > said "hey Tyler, how's that squeezebox workin' out for ya?". > > I am now stressing about being part of a test and my s

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread highdudgeon
Whatever you do, don't think about it. Think about a blank wall. Brain waves will upset the delicate balance of quarks and muons in your Squeeze Box, thus rendering your test -- Kafkaesque although very real -- a complete waste. tyler_durden;156721 Wrote: > One of my friends who was over for d

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread tyler_durden
One of my friends who was over for dinner last night said something that makes me suspect that I am involved in an audio comparison test. He said "hey Tyler, how's that squeezebox workin' out for ya?". I am now stressing about being part of a test and my system sounds like crap today. I'm afr

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread highdudgeon
Contact cleaning. Cheap. Easy enough for my 89 year old grandmother. Effective. adamslim;156630 Wrote: > I agree. We live in a strange world where people prefer to spend really > large sums of hard-earned money, rather than spending the time to try > out important 'tweaks' like speaker placem

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread georgem
opaqueice;156680 Wrote: > Atkinson is hardly the one to invoke in the context of blind testing. > > The point is this - if the difference is so subtle (in -his- system) > that he can't tell the difference in a blind test where it takes a few > seconds to switch, then maybe he doesn't want to s

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter into poweramp?

2006-11-22 Thread TCM
Michael16oz;150554 Wrote: > What do people think of flying mole Power amps... > > thanks Michael I'm still curious about this. I'm thinking about getting a similar setup as the OP - has anybody tried the Flying Moles? I haven't yet figured everything out about volume control. The moles have a "

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread chinablues
opaqueice;156682 Wrote: > And don't forget we're talking about, say, a 10-gauge speaker wire > carrying a current of around an amp. Not exactly a major stress. I find your responses on cables to be quite excellent, marrying as they do, an element of physics with an elequence of writing. Then ag

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread georgem
richidoo;156573 Wrote: > The wart is a switcher with little EMI shielding. It has been suggested > that noise from the little devil contributes to the problems noted by > the PS zealots (like me).. On a scope the output seems to be OK, so > part of the problem could be radiated switching noise. S

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter into poweramp?

2006-11-22 Thread Mark Lanctot
richidoo;156672 Wrote: > Yikes! I wonder if his SB was bone stock. Surely Slim got hold of the > failed unit for analysis? Should be easy to see what went wrong in > hindsight. The problem goes away with reprogramming the CPLD (press and hold '1' while power-cycling). The theory was that the DA

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread opaqueice
chinablues;156618 Wrote: > > I am an instrumentation & control systems engineer (EE) in the > petrochemical business. We have many electronic systems still working > today that were installed in the 60's & 70's when electronics replaced > pneumatic instrumentation. Power supply electrolytic cap

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread opaqueice
richidoo;156677 Wrote: > > You'll have to ask John Atkinson why people go to extreme lengths to > test devices for comparison. Ask him why people spend extra thousands > for such minute differences, and why his very successful magazine is > based on that desire. Some people can hear it, some peo

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread richidoo
opaqueice;156601 Wrote: > Whoa there, hang on if the difference is so subtle a few seconds > can erase it from memory and prevent us from being able to distinguish > it, why should we care about it? I agree, which is why I said that if his system is really good he won't need an experiment t

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter into poweramp?

2006-11-22 Thread richidoo
Mark Lanctot;156668 Wrote: > - had been going on for hours according to neighbours. Yikes! I wonder if his SB was bone stock. Surely Slim got hold of the failed unit for analysis? Should be easy to see what went wrong in hindsight. Well, sh** happens, maybe a surge got it, or his cat. Or maybe

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread richidoo
Break in time is the time that it takes for your brain to replace the old sound with the new sound as its standard. If you switched back to your old setup after breaking in the new, you would have to adjust to that all over again, but you would not think of it as break in. Switching back to the ("

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter into poweramp?

2006-11-22 Thread Mark Lanctot
richidoo;156576 Wrote: > Stability and noise should not be a concern, so a preamp is not > necessary for attenuation or protection, anymore than you would need > one for a DAC or CDP w/VC. There are some rare failure modes where the Squeezebox can send out full-range, 100% power white noise, the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread chinablues
cliveb;156655 Wrote: > You sure this was photons? Wouldn't there be trillions of them (unless > he drank his cuppa in a darkroom)? If you're talking about particles > from outer space (cosmic rays), it'd be things like muons that you'd > want to count. > Who knows, a lot of water under the brid

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Music in your car

2006-11-22 Thread Nikhil
regalma1;156505 Wrote: > I know that this is a bit off the subject, but it does relate to my > Squeezebox. I want to convert to lossless compression for use at home. > And I would like to carry it over to my car. I estimate it would > require around 200 GB of storage. The biggest player I can fin

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread cliveb
chinablues;156646 Wrote: > Too many years ago, an EE Professor at Strathclyde Univ where I was > studying Electrical Engineering, used to wire himself up to some sort > of electronic counter & count the number of photons that would hit him > as he drank his cuppa. You sure this was photons? Would

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Music in your car

2006-11-22 Thread jjazz
You should check out a carputer. I am going to add one to my car next year: http://www.mp3car.com/ -- jjazz jjazz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5552 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread chinablues
adamslim;156631 Wrote: > You mean space aliens are making my hi-fi sound worse? Bummer! Too many years ago, an EE Professor at Strathclyde Univ where I was studying Electrical Engineering, used to wire himself up to some sort of electronic counter & count the number of photons that would hit hi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Music in your car

2006-11-22 Thread Robin Bowes
regalma1 wrote: > Before I plunge into this I will be doing some A-B compartive listening. > If I can't hear the difference then I won't bother. The little bit I > have done so far with the SqueezeBox indicates to me that there is a > brittleness or shrillness with MP3 at highest bit rate that isn'

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-22 Thread adamslim
chinablues;156618 Wrote: > photon impingement on P-N junctions from outer space You mean space aliens are making my hi-fi sound worse? Bummer! -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out

2006-11-22 Thread adamslim
highdudgeon;156589 Wrote: > This is a much more expediate, and much less expensive, way to improve > one's sound. Throwing money at electronics that are, for all intents > and purposes, extremely excellent in performance but not taking the > energy to think about something so basic as speaker pl

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: How to test linear power supply

2006-11-22 Thread Greg Erskine
hi krochat, As you are only doing this to make yourself happy do whatever you like. I have a preference of continually swapping between pieces of equipment. Sometimes swapping after a few minutes, a few hours, days or weeks. regards -- Greg Erskine