[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in

2006-11-23 Thread chinablues
CardinalFang;156895 Wrote: > I don't think we're talking about cables wearing out as such, but there > is degradation due to corrosion and UV light on insulators for example. > The question is, is this a positive or negative effect? If you are > carrying AC power to a motor, it really doesn't mat

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread highdudgeon
Please tell me that your grammar (and spelling) here is a joke of some kind. Really, Senor Floding, give the thing a rest already. Oh, that's a New York-ism. New York City is a really big place a few hours flight from London. Macy's, Central Park, and my ex-girlfriend, to say nothing of the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread highdudgeon
Ucorrect me if I'm wrong, even though I'm not, but you're the one who, in an odd moment of coolness, admitted to taking things too personally on these forums. Then, you proceed to insult everyone around you -- while they maintain a sense of humor (oh, sorry, "humour" -- I know that, being

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2006-11-23 Thread Cleve
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread andy_c
tomjtx;157127 Wrote: > In Jesuit High School we had a priest who taught the spectrum of > sexuality according to Chardin. > In high school if you felt her up under the shirt this was anti > evolutionary and you were contributing to the de evolution of the human > race, holding up our ascendance t

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Aztek
Geez - end the thread - what an absolute load of bunk!!! -- Aztek Aztek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3784 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29972 __

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread Skunk
tomjtx;157125 Wrote: > Where would I find the above music(in our brane). > It's been remastered recently, so try your local retailer. Speaking of moderation, my original pressing of this disc includes Qu'ran, which was taken off subsequent pressings and the remaster as well, due to religous c

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
according to the theologian, Tielhard de Chardin, we are all evolutionary beings on the road to evolving to a state of pure energy, a oneness with the universe. a godhood, so to speak. Unselfish acts are evolutionary, selfish acts are the opposite. If I reach godhood first I will smite you all.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
Yo P. Don't stop posting, we're having too much fun -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29967

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
tyler_durden;157119 Wrote: > In the spirit of the upcoming holidays, may I suggest "My Life in the > Bush of Ghosts" and maybe Material's "Seven Souls"? > > Does anyone in this brane still call it pot? > > TD Where would I find the above music(in our brane). In Spain it's still chocolate, bu

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;157123 Wrote: > My tendency to call names with no provocation? > > Look back on the thread. You had already gotten snotty with me early > on, with the comment about the "stupid" women. I didn't bite. > > Then you called me incapable of logical thought. Go ahead and look at > the thread

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;157117 Wrote: > You're assistance as a point of reference for "the truth" is, I think it > will be safe to say, invaluable to all of us. Not to mention your > hilaruious and, thank God, never ending little stories that really make > me laugh! Best of all, though, must be your tendency t

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
tyler_durden;157118 Wrote: > I have comtemplated a while and now understand the real question to be > answered here. I put it to you thusly: > > Is God an audiophile? > > TD Is Harry Pearson God? -- tomjtx tomjtx's P

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
tomjtx;157114 Wrote: > Got back from the judges home, fine wine, fine food (thank you for the > correction, Tyler). But still no pot. Guess I'll have to use the pucks > to score some in the 3rd brane. > > Listening to Tony Bennet and Bill Evans , next up is Danger Mouse's > Grey Album, then some

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
I have comtemplated a while and now understand the real question to be answered here. I put it to you thusly: Is God an audiophile? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?us

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;157116 Wrote: > Your "humor" is even more pathetic than your ability to construct a > coherent, cogent argument. Hardly surprising, I guess. You don't seem > to have made a lot of friends today... I wonder why. You're assistance as a point of reference for "the truth" is, I think it will

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;157115 Wrote: > I have already thanked you once for your infinite wisdom, and was really > worrying about not getting an opportunity to thank you again. But, now > when you have enlightened me so much more I get the sought-after chance > to thank you. Thank you so much for these snippet

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;157073 Wrote: > Whatever happened in the 70s or 80s between these warring factions > you're so concerned with was completely irrelevant to an argument about > snake oil in the here and now. > > It's as simple as that, although you seem to believe otherwise. I have already thanked you on

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
Got back from the judges home, fine wine, fine food (thank you for the correction, Tyler). But still no pot. Guess I'll have to use the pucks to score some in the 3rd brane. Listening to Tony Bennet and Bill Evans , next up is Danger Mouse's Grey Album, then some Manu Chao...love that

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
we are all going to hell because we have had too much pleasure listening to music in this barren existential life. The karmic balance must be restored. Unless your an agnostic like me , we get it all. -- tomjtx tomjtx's P

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread highdudgeon
Dude (as we say in America, which is cool, because American English is the ascendant version in the world), You have to relax. Take up drinking, get a girlfriend, listen to music, do something. (Today, I almost did all three. I drank, I listened to music, I hung out with my wife -- who used to

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread andy_c
tyler_durden;157098 Wrote: > I see no problem with this. It has room for Fudd's first law of > opposition: "If you push something hard enough it will fall over". Hmmm. How can we best illustrate the stubborn consistency of this eternal principle? -- andy_c --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
Skunk;157104 Wrote: > Seeing as how you have helped so many others get on with Inguz DRC and > avoid the earthly pleasure of Tact- I will grant you access. > > Ps- sorry about the bad news Sean. :) thanks. Hopefully that thread will help some people. I think you might have me mistaken me for s

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Skunk
totoro;157103 Wrote: > Compared to a corporate executive, no. Seeing as how you have helped so many others get on with Inguz DRC and avoid the earthly pleasure of Tact- I will grant you access. Ps- sorry about the bad news Sean. -- Skunk -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
Skunk;157102 Wrote: > Are you rich? It's easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle > than a rich man into heaven! Depends on whose standards you use Compared to a peasant on the side of a mountain in Sulawesi (just to pick a random place), yes. Compared to a corporate executive, no.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Skunk
totoro;157100 Wrote: > Yikes. Is there any wiggle room on the amount? > Are you rich? It's easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven! -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevic

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
Skunk;157097 Wrote: > To me the effect of music itself is the religion. One could become > enlightened in a drum circle, or at a rave/concert, or even in front of > a nicely set up stereo. > > Audiophilia on the other hand, is more of an hedonistic hobby of > accumulating attachments. > > If

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
Skunk;157097 Wrote: > > If you have spent over $2,500 on your stereo, you're probably going to > hell... Are you kidding? God is filthy rich. Look at all the preachers he got collecting money for him on TV. He won't think anything of $2500 spent on a stereo. In fact, he'll probably sneer at

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Skunk
To me the effect of music itself is the religion. One could become enlightened in a drum circle, or at a rave/concert, or even in front of a nicely set up stereo. Audiophilia on the other hand, is more of an hedonistic hobby of accumulating attachments. If you have spent over $2,500 on your st

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Wombat
Religion? Audiophile? A God? There are people that believe in "it/him" and there are people that donĀ“t. Some are still waiting for a proof. Some will be converted when they heard "it/him" for the first time. There are charlatans that proclaim their beliefs for their own interests. Some get sick to

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread adamslim
Siduhe;157052 Wrote: > Congratulations. There was a moment when it all could have descended > into insults, exclamations marks and hyperbole. I've seen it happen on > a number of other forums with less cause. Yeah but it sure as hell got off-topic. How was that then? -- adamslim SB3 and S

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread SteveEast
andy_c;157085 Wrote: > Ah yes. Your post got me thinking about the how the theory of gravity > has been refuted by "intelligent falling". See the link below. > > http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512 Love it! Steve. -- SteveEast SB3=>wires=>stuff=>more wires=>speakers. -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread andy_c
CardinalFang;157078 Wrote: > I think some of the debates get very close in nature to some of the > creationism discussions - "since there are gaps in the fossil records, > evolution is flawed", goes the argument, a kind of reverse proof based > on destroying alternative rather than providing evid

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread georgem
stevo;157075 Wrote: > Audiophylology? Or is it Audioology. > > There are other sorts of religions out there - look at stock trading > industry. Everyone is trying to sell the secret of endless money > supply, the *holy grail*. They actually refer to the holy grail in many > instances - the perfe

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread CardinalFang
I think some of the debates get very close in nature to some of the creationism discussions - "since there are gaps in the fossil records, evolution is flawed", goes the argument, a kind of reverse proof based on destroying alternative rather than providing evidence. Or in audio terms, since there

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread stevo
Audiophylology? Or is it Audioology. There are other sorts of religions out there - look at stock trading industry. Everyone is trying to sell the secret of endless money supply, the *holy grail*. They actually refer to the holy grail in many instances - the perfect trading system. Many search

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;157039 Wrote: > Well, I thank you for showing interest in my postings, and for putting > things so eloquently. I'm now confident that you know everything there > is to know, and I don't really see the point in adding anything further > to the conversation. > > Furthermore, I realise th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-23 Thread stevo
I don't suppose some decent curtains might not help? I changed speakers and have had some difficulties getting any benefits yet, although I have only run one sweep and haven't spent the time on this yet. I had a really hollow horrible sound until I ran the Normal.drc (http://www.inguzaudio.com/Ro

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread ezkcdude
Whatever happened to tone controls? Oh, yeah, they're called cables now. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3->EZDAC->MIT Terminator 2 interconnects->Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)->Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier->Speltz anti-cables->DIY 2-

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread Siduhe
Gentlemen, Congratulations. There was a moment when it all could have descended into insults, exclamations marks and hyperbole. I've seen it happen on a number of other forums with less cause. Instead, you've made me laugh out loud. Let me offer a non-audiophile view. I love music, don't h

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
P Floding;157036 Wrote: > > tomjtx;157032 Wrote: > > > > > > So you actually drink with your ears? > > I guess there has to be a first for everything...> > > > It's one of those alternate universe things. -- tomjtx t

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
tyler_durden;157041 Wrote: > > tomjtx;157032 Wrote: > > > > > > You sir are no audiophile. If you were you would know the only correct > > adjective to use in describing wine is "fine" as in "fine wine", "fine > > cigars", and "the finer things in life". > > > > You are hereby banned from fu

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
There, you see. This is what religion leads to. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29972 __

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-23 Thread rbl
Great stuff and once again thanks very much everyone. Still wondering if anyone has an opinion about just attaching some absorbant material to the back of the speaker itself? Would have thought that is the most efficient way of stopping any back reflections? -- rbl -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
tomjtx;157032 Wrote: > > P Floding;157028 Wrote: > > Do I detect a distinct smell of irony? It's hard to tell in the general > > fumes. > > > > And I'm not even drinking yet. Wait till I have that great wine(it has > > to be a GREAT wine , because I am an AUDIOPHILE) with thanksgiving > > dinne

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;157030 Wrote: > Your straw man is the guy (apparently from the 70s) who supposedly > believed that all amplifiers sounded the same or something based on his > engineering knowledge. You keep arguing with him and winning, at least > in your own mind. > > Out here in the real world, you've

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
tomjtx;157032 Wrote: > > P Floding;157028 Wrote: > > Do I detect a distinct smell of irony? It's hard to tell in the general > > fumes. > > > > And I'm not even drinking yet. Wait till I have that great wine(it has > > to be a GREAT wine , because I am an AUDIOPHILE) with thanksgiving > > dinne

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
P Floding;157028 Wrote: > Do I detect a distinct smell of irony? It's hard to tell in the general > fumes. > > And I'm not even drinking yet. Wait till I have that great wine(it has > to be a GREAT wine , because I am an AUDIOPHILE) with thanksgiving > dinner. You might want to wear shades for a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;157010 Wrote: > What, more exactly, is my "straw man"? > > Claiming that differences can't be heard, period, because one cannot > hear them in one's own system is the real lack of humility. (Or lack of > capability for logical thinking, perhaps.) Your straw man is the guy (apparently

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
P Floding;157021 Wrote: > I'll make an exception just for you. I am honored. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
tyler_durden;157025 Wrote: > I am now on the side of the original poster. This thread has gone so > far off-topic it has to be stopped! Have you people no shame? No > taste? No couth? Where are your audiophile credentials? > > I call on the moderator to lock this one down, ASAP. As Barney

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
I am now on the side of the original poster. This thread has gone so far off-topic it has to be stopped! Have you people no shame? No taste? No couth? Where are your audiophile credentials? I call on the moderator to lock this one down, ASAP. As Barney Fife would say.. "Nip it in the bud!"

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
and let's not forget about: StenchmarkDac1 GravyDac10 (especially popular at Thanksgiving) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/s

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Listener
adamslim;156910 Wrote: > Often consumerism is considered to be the replacement of religion in > these modern days we live in, and it strikes me that audio might be the > quintessence of this. ... > Thanks for suggesting an amusing train of thought. Bill -- Listener -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
P Floding;157018 Wrote: > Well, thanks for making my case so much stronger. > Very nice going. It's OK to say I made your case stronger in YOUR mind. But ,please, not in any objective way. I mean, you are a subjectivist and can make no further claim,right? -- tomjtx --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
tomjtx;157019 Wrote: > It's OK to say I made your case stronger in YOUR mind. But ,please, not > in any objective way. I mean, you are a subjectivist and can make no > further claim,right? I'll make an exception just for you. -- P Floding --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
tomjtx;157017 Wrote: > Just to clarify: > > Some in string theory posit the existence of multiple universes aka: > multiverse. > > They are layered membranes known as branes for short.(parallell > universes) > > These branes are layered like the meats and cheeses in a sub > sandwhich. > OK, y

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
Just to clarify: Some in string theory posit the existence of multiple universes aka: multiverse. They are layered membranes known as branes for short.(parallell universes) These branes are layered like the meats and cheeses in a sub sandwhich. OK, you QM scientists, I know this a very watered

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
tomjtx;157002 Wrote: > Who are you to define who is or is not an audophile? > How do you determine this? > Do you have some tweak we don't know about that allows you to get into > the homes or brains or ears of the posters? > > Wait, your from the 3rd brane, right? They have that technology in

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;156995 Wrote: > My point is that you are making an argument by analogy, which isn't a > valid argument. > None of the sceptics I know are actually of the "we know all there is > to know, and if this doesn't fit with our theory, it must be wrong, > empirical evidence be damned" sort you see

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-23 Thread Pat Farrell
rbl wrote: > Finally I tried searching on various permutations of "acoustics and > evans-corning 705 or 703" and nothing came up - I must be missing > something? I think it is Owens Corning. But first check out Ethan Winder's Real Traps. They are nice looking and reasonably priced -- Pat http:/

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
tomjtx;157005 Wrote: > Don't forget the necessary hot, young girlfriend. You just can't listen > without one. They suck up too much money that is better spent on luxury automobiles, watches, and fine wine... but I suppose if she comes from the right family... TD -- tyler_durden -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
oops. it's owens corning. sorry http://www.atsacoustics.com/item--Owens-Corning-703-Case-of-6--1004.html -- totoro squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-23 Thread rbl
Many thanks for all the helpful tips - I had better do some more experimenting since frankly the bass is pretty thin at the moment (the 988s often sound thinner than my old ESL57s). Behind the 988s are windows (starting about 2ft off the ground) and a radiator so a little awkward to treat those, b

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread highdudgeon
And Brane Waves. Notice, this is a very American audiophile concept. Tom was very kind in introducing it to us. Note the peculiar audiophile spelling. Almost as peculiar as "colour" and, shockingly, "centre." But, yes, you can tell the audiophiles apart by their good looks, deep pockets, wit,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
tyler_durden;156998 Wrote: > So now we need to define who is and who isn't an audiophile... > Let's see, there's taste (chocolaty, with cinnamon overtones and a > smooth finish, I think), talent, superior intelligence, extraordinary > hearing acuity, good-looks (thanks, P Farrell), wealth (prefer

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
P Floding;156997 Wrote: > Well, in case you haven't noticed, I can take a lot personally. > I just know for a fact that a lot of people who could have contributed > will not because they will get about 10 replies from non-audiophiles > hanging here with nothing better to do than slag people off.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
P Floding;156997 Wrote: > Well, in case you haven't noticed, I can take a lot personally. > I just know for a fact that a lot of people who could have contributed > will not because they will get about 10 replies from non-audiophiles > hanging here with nothing better to do than slag people off.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
tyler_durden;156994 Wrote: > So now we should limit ourselves to 6 letter words and > subject-verb-object grammar because someone who isn't a native English > (or American) speaker may not understand what is written? Hm. > > > > Maybe some noob (rhymes with boob, I think) will see that th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;156982 Wrote: > I haven't said anything about anyone in particular, as far as I'm aware. > So there is no need to attribute anything of what I have said to > anyone. > > As to the "X believed Y"-stuff I'm not sure what you are trying to say. > All I'm saying is that history shows that

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
P Floding;156969 Wrote: > I guess it all depends on one's definition of "connection". > In addition one has to take into account the possibility that posters > do not have English as their first language -no matter how weird and > unlikely this may seem to some. So now we should limit ourselves

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
tyler_durden;156949 Wrote: > Would you like to see how religion benefits society? Have a look at > this: > http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html > > I'd bet there are corresponding effects in audio... > > TD Very interesting article, thanks for the post. -- tomjtx --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread highdudgeon
P Floding, It is a fact, I believe, that SD is based in the US and that most posters on this forum are from the US. I have no objection to some British humor or holiday cheer; kindly indulge ours. We speak the same language and a joke is, generally, a joke. I have lived in London and never ha

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Mark Lanctot
P Floding;156976 Wrote: > I forgot to mention the context, which was 1970's hifi. > Of course subectivists have been wrong many, many times. But we > shouldn't forget that in most cases there hasn't been any alternative > scientific model around. Ah, OK. I wasn't sure what you were referring to

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
P Floding;156969 Wrote: > I guess it all depends on one's definition of "connection". > In addition one has to take into account the possibility that posters > do not have English as their first language -no matter how weird and > unlikely this may seem to some. > > Let's say a new member asks a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tomjtx
P Floding;156939 Wrote: > Is it? > It certainly isn't a holiday here. > Which brings up the other aspect of endless wisecracking: It tends to > narrow the public to a geografically and culturally close group. Come on P, aren't you taking this too seriously? Humor is much more pleasant than a fl

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - odd results

2006-11-23 Thread highdudgeon
Are your speakers against a solid back wall? Then it will work -- more or less. Allison rules have more to do with box speakers. As for dipoles, dealing with the rear wall is absolutely essential. Any dealer worth his salt, and Quad themselves, will tell you that ESLs need to be four to six fe

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;156981 Wrote: > Who exactly did I slag off? > > As far as dismissing some of these things, if a manufacturer spouts > pseudo-scientific crap at me about a product, the thing has no known > technical or engineering basis behind it, and I haven't even been shown > that it actually works at

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;156978 Wrote: > Well, FYI, I'm a sceptic too. I just don't belive slagging people off > for not being scientifically trained will be any way forward > what-so-ever in educating anybody. Also, I don't think it is good > scientific practice to dismiss things per default just because it >

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;156977 Wrote: > Oh, that was clever. > > This may be hard for you to believe, but it _is_ possible to be an > audiophile (ie, interested in good sound) while still being a skeptic. > Furthermore, such audiophile skeptics have every bit as much right to > gather information, express themse

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread Pat Farrell
tyler_durden wrote: > Audiophile forums are populated mainly by highly > intelligent people with discriminating tastes and excellent finances And we are better looking than the average person. Happy Thanksgiving to all -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;156971 Wrote: > But have you made it your mission to let all (stupid?) women who buy > these product know what utter fools the are? I guess a discussion group > for such products would be just the place if you had... Oh, that was clever. This may be hard for you to believe, but it _is

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
Mark Lanctot;156973 Wrote: > In light of the discussion, instead of asking you to prove this > statement, could you give examples? I mean, the Earth sure seems flat, > doesn't it? A subjectivist would tell you it's flat, and it did seem to > make intrinsic sense until the science evolved to fin

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;156960 Wrote: > Some tweaks really _do_ contravert known science (little stones that > magically make your room better). Some don't. > > And I'm not asking you to prove anything to me unless you try to sell > me something. :) > > Again, most sceptics with any engineering background are

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread Mark Lanctot
P Floding;156955 Wrote: > Looking back in history we now know that the people who told off > "subjectivists" has in most cases been proven wrong, once the > measurements and evidence gathering had caught up with "just > listening". I only wish the nay-sayers would learn from history, and > show j

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;156961 Wrote: > Yes, and I don't take them seriously. I _do_ take actual pharmaceuticals > seriously. Quite a difference, really. But have you made it your mission to let all (stupid?) women who buy these product know what utter fools the are? I guess a discussion group for such products

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
tyler_durden;156962 Wrote: > I think you are expecting all responses to a topic to be of a specific > nature, and that you are not accounting for the variety of ways in > people express their opinions. Some are confrontational and say > "you're full of c**p" and others express themselves more el

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread jhm731
tyler_durden;156949 Wrote: > Would you like to see how religion benefits society? Have a look at > this: > http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html > > I'd bet there are corresponding effects in audio... > > TD Here's some more light reading: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.11/

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: I want the best sound quality AND ahi-style jukebox interface on my flat screen

2006-11-23 Thread FZfan
I just skimmed the post so please don't flame me if I missed something... I use both my Sony PSP hand held and my laptop to control my SB3 and Transporter. There is an extensive step by step thread but it's basically opening up your browser of choice and setting up a favorite that looks something

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread richidoo
georgem;156946 Wrote: > Shouldn't the proponent of a particular tweak have a moral (or even > legal) obligation to provide credible evidence that their product does > makes a diferrence, especially when they charge $1000 per foot? Buyer beware is always preferable to regulation. Slimdevices, mo

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
P Floding;156889 Wrote: > Several interesting discussion threads have been taken "off-line" by > interested audiophiles due to the massive presence of > nothing-better-to-do people constantly posting posts ridiculing the OP > or anyone who wants to reply. This forum is dying from lack of > modera

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
I think you are expecting all responses to a topic to be of a specific nature, and that you are not accounting for the variety of ways in people express their opinions. Some are confrontational and say "you're full of c**p" and others express themselves more eloquently, often indirectly, by prese

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
P Floding;156955 Wrote: > "Known science"? > I don't think anyone ever has to "prove" why they have certain > preferences. It is just absurd to demand from people to "prove" > opinions. Sure, one can point out that there seems to be no scientific > support for certain views, but going from there

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread totoro
adamslim;156950 Wrote: > I agree, but what is proof? The seller says, "I can hear these are > better", and he is convinced, but you can never replicate that (a > requirement for a proof) as you can't use his ears. Therefore you have > to use your own ears; this is where the self-doubt and delus

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
totoro;156948 Wrote: > I concur. Especially in cases where the known science says something > different than the tweak purveyors, it's up to those purveyors and > their proponents to show that their tweaks actually work, not the other > way around. > > As the old saying goes, "there are two side

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread P Floding
adamslim;156947 Wrote: > Surely we are all idiots? Anyone who has a personal value system that > places slightly better sound quality above, say, getting some wells dug > for some poor village in Africa (or at least, votes that way with his > wallet) is at best an idiot, and at worst indirectly

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread adamslim
tyler_durden;156949 Wrote: > Would you like to see how religion benefits society? Have a look at > this: > http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html > > I'd bet there are corresponding effects in audio... > > TD As you earn more money, you are less happy as a society (paraphrase of ite

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Moderator, where are you?

2006-11-23 Thread radish
There are moderators around, they just don't advertise themselves (no "Moderator" tag for example). The current policy is to allow the conversation to go however it does and basically not intervene. The specific problems you mention are restricted to the audiophile forum as far as I can tell, an

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread adamslim
georgem;156946 Wrote: > Personally I do not understand the logic that argues "the benefit of the > doubt". Shouldn't the proponent of a particular tweak have a moral (or > even legal) obligation to provide credible evidence that their product > does makes a diferrence, especially when they charge

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?

2006-11-23 Thread tyler_durden
Would you like to see how religion benefits society? Have a look at this: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html I'd bet there are corresponding effects in audio... TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: h

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