Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread jlmatrat
There are a lot of debates and assumptions about the way these USB audio boxes are clocked. My understanding is that the operating systems fetch a sample rate in the file header, then manage to create some clocking at this sample rate, and eventually pushes out the data bits through the USB to a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dog/Remote/Bad

2007-04-06 Thread empty99
bobschneider;193096 Wrote: > For my other gear, I just trained the dog to walk over and adjust the > controls from the faceplates, with her snout. Unfortunately, I can't > do this with my SB3, since it doesn't have any controls on the > faceplate. Time to talk to the wife about getting a Transp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
jlmatrat;193091 Wrote: > Regarding the Lavry dispute, one sure could expect some perfect plot > from any digital output, if the product was really and totally immune > to jitter. What amount of jitter can be left in order to be recognized > as immune to jitter? I don't know. Well, from the descr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dog/Remote/Bad

2007-04-06 Thread bobschneider
jdbaker;193041 Wrote: > This might seem obvious, but do not let your dog get a hold of your > remote. A while back my Airedale puppy chewed on my SB3 remote, The > remote had a few chew marks but seemed to work fine. Last night the SB > just went haywire, long story short I finally figured out th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread CardinalFang
opaqueice;193078 Wrote: > But for the moment I'm happy - upgraditis will set in later :-). I just haven't been able to get the SB2 that I have up to where my CD player is in terms of audio quality. Every time I spin a disc it just reminds me that there is something not there and I do think it's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread jlmatrat
opaqueice;192976 Wrote: > ...you seem to have proven that the Lavry DA10 is [b[not[/b] immune to > input jitter, contrary to the claims of the manufacturer: there is a > clear difference between the SB3+DA10 result and the Terratec+DA10. > > There were recently some debates on another forum o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
Fair enough. I agree about the interface - SS is just not very good. They need a nice graphical remote to bypass it, or at least a bigger display - something like a little flat screen that plugs into the SB4 (so you can remove it if you don't want it) and displays album art. Even better if i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-04-06 Thread Mark Lanctot
Jaco;193008 Wrote: > So, here's my feature request for the Transporter: please, please add > HDCD decoding! It would be quicker to figure how to rip CDs to take advantage of HDCD as outlined in this thread. Microsoft seems to have little interest in HDCD. HDCDs are still being produced, but wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24 bit wavs?

2007-04-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Anne;193023 Wrote: > I converted a cd to 24/96 wavs in dbpoweramp and played it on SB3. The > files were HUGE, over a gigabyte an album and its just throwing money > at harddisk manufacturers Yes - there is zero point in converting CD to anything but 16/44.1 - aside from the HDCD issue which

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dog/Remote/Bad

2007-04-06 Thread Mark Lanctot
Funny story. Not funny for you I guess! Perhaps one of the buttons got stuck down due to, umm, puppy slobber. I find when this happens it's almost impossible to get the remote working again. There's a residue that gathers around the rubber behind the faceplate that's impossible to remove. --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dog/Remote/Bad

2007-04-06 Thread jdbaker
This might seem obvious, but do not let your dog get a hold of your remote. A while back my Airedale puppy chewed on my SB3 remote, The remote had a few chew marks but seemed to work fine. Last night the SB just went haywire, long story short I finally figured out the remote was constantly sending

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread CardinalFang
darkglobe;192411 Wrote: > Have you considered the racket a laptop actually makes? Mine is very quiet - the fan only comes on if it is doing some serious processing and playing back music isn't that stressful. As far as USB DAC goes, I don't see why it should be prone to losing data if it is us

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you have Bi-Wiring speaker terminals? Try this out!

2007-04-06 Thread Ben Diss
Excellent. So I'll: 1. Use a test tone and measure SPL. Then try: a. jump neg side b. jump both neg and pos c. disconnect one side of bi-wire and leave jumpers attached. 2. Listen to various test tracks under my normal conditions and three stated above. I'll report sometime over the weekend

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24 bit wavs?

2007-04-06 Thread Anne
I converted a cd to 24/96 wavs in dbpoweramp and played it on SB3. The files were HUGE, over a gigabyte an album and its just throwing money at harddisk manufacturers -- Anne Bryston B-100 SST, Squeezebox 3, Stax Signature II, Martin Logan Aeon I. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread jlmatrat
SoftwireEngineer;192869 Wrote: > > Also, you did not tell us your subjective opinion of the sound of the > modded SB2 vs the SB3 with or without the Lavry (?) It's difficult to explain, and I don't lke the usual talk about air, clarity, authority, soundstage, and the like. Regarding the Lavry,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
PhilNYC;193011 Wrote: > > So the question I had was which File Type was being used when making > this comment...ALAC->FLAC or ALAC->WAV? He just said that he wasn't > using ALAC->MP3, but didn't specify whether he was using FLAC or WAV. > If he was using ALAC->FLAC (the default setting), then

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?

2007-04-06 Thread PhilNYC
opaqueice;193002 Wrote: > > The issue here was different - it was whether you hear a difference > between ALAC->WAV and WAV->WAV, or between ALAC->FLAC and WAV->FLAC. > The comment being discussed was an assertion that "but I found that reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-04-06 Thread Jaco
I've been planning to upgrade to a Transporter, but by doing that I'll be losing the ability to play my HDCD's as they were intended - damn! Ok, I can always connect the digital out of the Transporter to a DAC that can decode HDCD, but then I'll have to remember which of my CD's are HDCD encoded :

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-04-06 Thread Jaco
I've just verified that ripping with EAC using FLAC works for HDCD - yay! My setup consists of an SB3 with a Denon 3805 A/V amp. The 3805 has the ability to decode HDCD. The digital output of my SB3 is connected to the digital in of my Denon 3805, that is, I'm using my 3805 as a decoder and DAC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
PhilNYC;192999 Wrote: > It depends on how you have the File Types set up in Slimserver. You can > have it convert Apple Lossless files to either FLAC, MP3, or WAV, and I > believe the default converts it to FLAC. > > I do perceive a slight but noticeable improvement in sound quality when > usin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you have Bi-Wiring speaker terminals? Try this out!

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
Ben Diss;192997 Wrote: > That's an interesting thought. Since I'm biwired I should be able to > connect a bridge between the high and low side at the speaker and > listen for a difference in sound. If biwiring makes a difference I > should hear it, right? > > -Ben Ideally you would disconnect

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you have Bi-Wiring speaker terminals? Try this out!

2007-04-06 Thread PhilNYC
Ben Diss;192997 Wrote: > That's an interesting thought. Since I'm biwired I should be able to > connect a bridge between the high and low side at the speaker and > listen for a difference in sound. If biwiring makes a difference I > should hear it, right? > > -Ben One interesting thing to try

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?

2007-04-06 Thread PhilNYC
opaqueice;192974 Wrote: > That's an extraordinary claim - my understanding is that SS converts > apple lossless files into WAV *at the server side* before streaming it > to the SB3, and therefore the packets the SB3 receives, and the > processing it has to perform, are *identical* whether your mu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you have Bi-Wiring speaker terminals? Try this out!

2007-04-06 Thread Ben Diss
opaqueice;192977 Wrote: > If you draw a little schematic circuit diagram you'll see that the > bi-wired configuration is identical to the single-wired if the wires > are ideal, but if you replace them with (very small) resistors to model > the fact that they aren't perfect, there is a slight diff

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?

2007-04-06 Thread CardinalFang
opaqueice;192974 Wrote: > That's an extraordinary claim - my understanding is that SS converts > apple lossless files into WAV *at the server side* before streaming it > to the SB3, and therefore the packets the SB3 receives, and the > processing it has to perform, are *identical* whether your mu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Fast Fourier Transform question

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
Hmmm... could be this: if the FFT uses the *other* definition than the one in the wiki, which is to put a 1/sqrt[N] in front of both the transform and its inverse, then a bandwidth-limited signal (say a pure sin) would have an amplitude twice as large for the 4096 as for the 1024 (4/sqrt[4]=2).

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-04-06 Thread killie99
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Firmware on Multiple SB3's ?

2007-04-06 Thread Patrick Dixon
I'm glad you've got it working for you. I personally can't hear any difference between fw15 and the latest fw (aside from the obvious volume control behaviour), but if it works for you, then it's fine by me. It's just a shame that open source and open minds don't go hand in hand really. -- Pa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you have Bi-Wiring speaker terminals? Try this out!

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
haunyack;192854 Wrote: > Sounds reasonable. > What about the crossover effect? > Does it present different path characteristics for the 2X2 cable > connection? > If you draw a little schematic circuit diagram you'll see that the bi-wired configuration is identical to the single-wired if the wir

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Benchmark USB DAC1

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
These are very very interesting plots - for one thing, you seem to have proven that the Lavry DA10 is [b[not[/b] immune to input jitter, contrary to the claims of the manufacturer: there is a clear difference between the SB3+DA10 result and the Terratec+DA10. There were recently some debates o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?

2007-04-06 Thread opaqueice
Shuggie;192970 Wrote: > I'm sure all the above is theoretically correct, but I found that > reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was noticeably > poorer than WAV or AIFF, even after checking that Slimserver was not > transcoding ALAC to MP3 etc. So, I can understand that ALAC is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?

2007-04-06 Thread Shuggie
I'm sure all the above is theoretically correct, but I found that reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was noticeably poorer than WAV or AIFF, even after checking that Slimserver was not transcoding ALAC to MP3 etc. So, I can understand that ALAC is not a compromise per se, but th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?

2007-04-06 Thread Nikhil
Its a highly subjective question, and I think you will get a range of replies on this one, but I think an unmodified SB2/SB3 comes close to an entry level NAD type CD player. Of course with tweaks and modifications, or with an external DAC, it can end up sounding much better than a far more expens