Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread crooner
The Stereovox cable is the other way around. It is terminated with true 75 ohm BNC connectors with optional lock-in RCA adapters. It was designed by the same engineer that devised the famed Illuminati D60 cable. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread mswlogo
Pat Farrell;199012 Wrote: > mswlogo wrote: > > Adding BNC to RCA adapters can only make it worse. > > It would probably work fine but you're defeating the purpose of > having > > the BNC connectors in the first place. > > I don't think anyone would use two RCA to BNC connectors on a single > ca

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread Pat Farrell
mswlogo wrote: > Adding BNC to RCA adapters can only make it worse. > It would probably work fine but you're defeating the purpose of having > the BNC connectors in the first place. I don't think anyone would use two RCA to BNC connectors on a single cable. Typically you use one when you have som

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread mswlogo
Pat Farrell;198969 Wrote: > Anne wrote: > > I have ordered the dac upgrade for my Bryston, it has 2 Toslink and > 2 > > idpf (or whatever) inputs. > > Thought I should go for this digital cable : > > http://www.deko.no/produkter_studio.htm#XV2 > > comes with bnc connectors but bnc to rca adapters

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread SuperQ
Please listen to this talk by Bruce Schneier. He explains the basics of DRM very well. http://www.ima.umn.edu/multimedia/winter/m6.html "Bits are designed to be copied, DRM can't work" http://www.ima.umn.edu/recordings/Public_Lecture/2000-2001/feb_12_01/schneier-128.mp3 I should go dig up the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread tyler_durden
You want to know what would boost music sales? Record companies getting into the music business instead of the plastic disc business. I would like to be able to buy full catalogs by particular artists. I'd like that to include lyrics, album and related art work, guitar tabs/sheet music, etc.,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread opaqueice
Pat Farrell;198969 Wrote: > > There is no such thing as a digital cable. All cables send voltages > down > the wire. When you send a digital signal down a wire, the receiving end > > senses just the major transitions. Analog signals are sensed high, low, > > and in between. > In fairness, t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread opaqueice
Pat Farrell;198972 Wrote: > > What I find amazing about this whole topic, aside from the massive > misunderstanding of technology by many posters, is the economics of it > all. Thirty years ago, people said no one would pay for TV, since it > was > free over the air. Now something like 85% of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread Pat Farrell
willyhoops wrote: > but the important point i am also trying to make is that DRM will only > take off if the content is superior to what we get from ripping a cd > ourselves. eg distribute 24bit recording compressed to to give file > sizes as big as flac but with vastly superior sound. also very ri

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread Pat Farrell
Anne wrote: > I have ordered the dac upgrade for my Bryston, it has 2 Toslink and 2 > idpf (or whatever) inputs. > Thought I should go for this digital cable : > http://www.deko.no/produkter_studio.htm#XV2 > comes with bnc connectors but bnc to rca adapters are included > Maybe just a cheap vid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread mswlogo
jonte0;198261 Wrote: > You can rule out: > 5) Using Wifi instead of wired (e-net wires have tons of nasty stuff on > them). > > as there is no exctraction of any timing info from ethernet. Then of > cource there could be other electrical aspects of ethernet but as it is > transformer coupled, th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread crooner
Anne;198954 Wrote: > I have ordered the dac upgrade for my Bryston, it has 2 Toslink and 2 > idpf (or whatever) inputs. > Thought I should go for this digital cable : > http://www.deko.no/produkter_studio.htm#XV2 > comes with bnc connectors but bnc to rca adapters are included > Maybe just a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tried the Mac Mini directly to the DAC

2007-05-01 Thread CardinalFang
Nikhil;198747 Wrote: > Can you elaborate please? I thought SlimServer wasn't supposed to cause > clipping or any other modifications to the files other than transcoding > if required. I have a problem that some tracks that I have recorded in Apple Lossless play back fine on iTunes, but have audi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread Anne
I have ordered the dac upgrade for my Bryston, it has 2 Toslink and 2 idpf (or whatever) inputs. Thought I should go for this digital cable : http://www.deko.no/produkter_studio.htm#XV2 comes with bnc connectors but bnc to rca adapters are included Maybe just a cheap video composite cabel will

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread crooner
Indeed. It is a true 75 ohm connector and designed to maintain a constant impedance. This is what I plan to use in my DAC and SB modifications. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread Anne
Maybe a bit OT, but isnt bnc superior as a digital connector ? -- Anne Bryston B-100 SST, Squeezebox 3, Martin Logan Aeon I. Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread crooner
I hope Meridian doesn't rip off Slim's ideas and then promote them as their own, taking all the glory. That would suck big time! -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vander

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread adamslim
ncpl;198385 Wrote: > I, and a few others, tried to extract a few thoughts on SB's etc whilst > chatting with the powers that be at Meridian back in February. They > didn't make much comment either way. > > Do you have any other insight? > > Ultimately, I would like to see them put some of thei

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread EFP
darn pirates. why can't they get it through their heads that they should be thankful for the chance to trade hard plundered booty for imaginary goods when you buy an album at least you have something physical. forget about the fact that what it costs to buy at the store does not begin to represen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread AndyC_772
So... measurements aren't everything. That's not news - just look at the specs of any valve amp. The first rule of choosing hi-fi is to trust your own ears. How the product works, and what measurements can be made from it, may be of academic interest to potential buyers - but it's only the design

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread AndyC_772
Lessons about DRM we can learn about the Squeezebox: - if DRM were universal, small start-ups like Slim Devices would have a major obstacle to overcome in getting hold of the keys (hardware, software, licences... whatever) to play music at all. Therefore, it's highly unlikely we'd even HAVE a Squ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 to a spare receiver

2007-05-01 Thread tomjtx
ankita;198920 Wrote: > thanks for the quick reply. sb3-yamaha receiver by coax and then how do > I connect receiver to anthem preamp since I want to play through anthem > to my revel speakers. so I would imagine yamaha receiver acts as a DAC. > do you think I'm better off connecting my sb3 direct

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 to a spare receiver

2007-05-01 Thread ankita
thanks for the quick reply. sb3-yamaha receiver by coax and then how do I connect receiver to anthem preamp since I want to play through anthem to my revel speakers. so I would imagine yamaha receiver acts as a DAC. do you think I'm better off connecting my sb3 directly to anthem preamp. thanks a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 to a spare receiver

2007-05-01 Thread PhilNYC
You can use either the coax or toslink digital out from the SB3 into the corresponding coax or toslink digital in on the Yamaha receiver. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http:/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread Dave Dewey
Quoting willyhoops ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > yea i know everyone is against drm but that’s because drm today sucks > today, Here's where your argument breaks down, right in the beginning. There are many people opposed to DRM for far more reasons that 'it sucks today.' I am opposed to it because

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 to a spare receiver

2007-05-01 Thread ankita
I have a high end music system with anthem AVM50 preamp, parasound amp and revel performa speakers. I have a spare yamaha RXV 795 receiver lying around. can I use it connect to my SB3 as a DAC and if so please walk me through the connections. Thanks ankita -- ankita ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread Pale Blue Ego
This is a lot to put the world through just so one lazy person doesn't have to tag his files. And what makes him think the tags and album art will be any better? What is compelling them to add accurate tags, art, and lyrics? Nothing, once they've eliminated all other competition. -- Pale Blu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread willyhoops
yes of course i read your posts... the sim card makes the data unbreakable unless one has both the card and the data and has time to run the data through it. that's a step forward from today but as i said, after that kernel mode drivers, hdcp paths and digital signatures and the force of law have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread seanadams
willyhoops;198886 Wrote: > No, that's the way DRM works today but not in the future. When you buy > by credit card you type your pin into the machine and it gets validated > by your sim card not the oline connection... the nubmer is stored in > there... has anyone managed to break into the sim -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread 325xi
Ben Diss;198021 Wrote: > Summary of the "Lavry" issue: When the DA10 was first introduced the > manual stated that is was not oversampling. A revision of the manual > later removed that statement. It appears that the Lavry does indeed > oversample. > > That's it. Nothing more. It still so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?

2007-05-01 Thread 325xi
Patrick Dixon;198013 Wrote: > http://www.diyhifi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1027 Oh, sh*t! I was about to order it... What I don't get is how does it manage to sound that good after all the terrible measuarements - Phase noise, power supply noise, etc? -- 325xi --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread smst
willyhoops;198878 Wrote: > yea i know everyone is against drm but that’s because drm today sucks > today, and because when you buy protected audio content the quality is > less than you get from ripping a cd yourself, and the added tags are > simple and no better than existing mp3 tags. but with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread willyhoops
No, that's the way DRM works today but not in the future. When you buy by credit card you type your pin into the machine and it gets validated by your sim card not the oline connection... the nubmer is stored in there... has anyone managed to break into the sim - no (although someone once made a l

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread seanadams
willyhoops;198878 Wrote: > anyone with the vast skills required to build a real sophisticated drm > that makes everyone happy would make a fortune. You don't understand. DRM can not work in the way that you think it can, and it's not a matter of someone not having enough "skills" to have done it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread willyhoops
yea i know everyone is against drm but that’s because drm today sucks today, and because when you buy protected audio content the quality is less than you get from ripping a cd yourself, and the added tags are simple and no better than existing mp3 tags. but with the right software + hardware deve

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread opaqueice
willyhoops;198844 Wrote: > > From this, record companies should learn that they could dramatically > increase demand if they found a piracy safe method of selling digital > music that offered customers something more than the zillions of mp3 > files floating freely around the world today. Good a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread seanadams
willyhoops;198844 Wrote: > > (a) Create a new DRM standard that is truly platform independent and > that customers feel safe with – eg using a SIM card. If the customer > looses his sim and his hard drive, he must be able to get another and > download the music again. > > (b) Make sure the audi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread smst
willyhoops;198844 Wrote: > Of course the answer is that although in general hard drive storage of > music dramatically increases one’s appetite for music, CD sales are > down because of increasing piracy. So we're told by the record labels, but I don't think there's been much evidence shown for t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread snarlydwarf
willyhoops;198844 Wrote: > > Maybe they will fail and the future will become music on demand > services. Then you pay a monthly subscription and get access to > zillions of CDs. However it’s unclear if all the bandwidth that would > entail is feasible... and it still requires new audio formats a

Re: System Balancing � - your thoughts please

2007-05-01 Thread Anne
A 3020 is actually pretty good, used it both on IMF TLS80 and Audiostatic ES 100 DCI electrostatics. -- Anne Bryston B-100 SST, Squeezebox 3, Martin Logan Aeon I. Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?u

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox

2007-05-01 Thread willyhoops
Since I started using the Squeezebox I have developed a new enthusiasm for music, and my purchasing of CDs has gone through the roof. I also noticed others on this forum saying the same. So how come CD sales are down 20% year on year again? Of course the answer is that although in general hard d

Re: System Balancing � - your thoughts please

2007-05-01 Thread Matt B
cliveb;198767 Wrote: > ... a NAD 3020 and a pair of Videotone Minimaxes. OMG you've just brought my teenage years flooding back! -- Matt B Matt Server = .flac - SlimServer 6.5.1 2 - Linux ClarkConnect 4.0 - Shuttle SK21G Living Room = SB3 - Moth passive pre-amp & monoblocs - ProAC Tablet

Re: System Balancing � - your thoughts please

2007-05-01 Thread Anne
You actually just need an an amplifier that is capable of driving your speakers. By this I mean matching is extremely important. Amplifiers and speakers interact, and one amplifier with a rating of 100 watts might not drive your speakers properly compared to another make with the same rating. I co

Re: System Balancing � - your thoughts please

2007-05-01 Thread cliveb
adamslim;198685 Wrote: > Mr T of Linn in the 70s demonstrated this with his Sondek turntable - > everyone thought sources and amps were almost identical, and you just > needed to spend on speakers. With Linn, they were selling systems with > £1k turntables and £100 on each of the amp and speak

Re: System Balancing � - your thoughts please

2007-05-01 Thread willyhoops
When I do dinner parties I like to do quick listening tests - well at least with the guys and before the wine has started taking hold :-) My last one was only two days ago on portable mp3 players. I have an Apple iPod Video 80Gb, a Sony NW-HD5 20GB and an iRiver HP-120 20Gb and a special edition