Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-05-29 Thread Pale Blue Ego
Aego-M from Acoustic Energy. £99. The tiny satellites can go almost anywhere, and the sub is modest-sized and could be placed behind a curtain or a couch. Sounds excellent at low volumes and can also play quite loudly without breaking up. High tech design with heavy metal alloy cabinets for th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-29 Thread opaqueice
Eric Seaberg;205578 Wrote: > > Remember that sound travels typically at 1100 feet/second, and the > amount of phase shift from two summed mics being 30+ feet apart on the > same instrument will NEVER approach a complete 180-degree phase shift. You've lost me there. Half a wavelength in feet is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-29 Thread Pat Farrell
Eric Seaberg wrote: > I've been in the recording business for 36 years and have worked in some > of the most prestigious facilities in the World... what you're talking > about isn't really 'phase' as much as it is 'time-alignment'. Yes. Even though every mic pre and/or console has a Phase button

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-29 Thread Eric Seaberg
I've been in the recording business for 36 years and have worked in some of the most prestigious facilities in the World... what you're talking about isn't really 'phase' as much as it is 'time-alignment'. The 'headphone' out-of-phase issue above really has to do with the difference between hea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread blessingx
While these things are definitely true and would be responsible for a roll-off on both ends of the spectrum, the word "shredded" sounds worse than just ~320 kbps MP3/AAC/Ogg/WMA/ATRAC/etc. lossy (by nature) artifacts, no? It really sounds like <192 kbps MP3/WMA or XM/Sirus-like ~56 kbps AAC+/PAC,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-29 Thread Timothy Stockman
Many years ago, when I was working as an engineer at WBAA, Purdue University, the local telephone company put in a new switch with newfangled line frames with a polarity reverse in the frame. The installers, who had been reversing the "outside" side of the frame for years so the "inside" would be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-05-29 Thread SuperQ
James_B;20 Wrote: > I am sure powered monitors are a great route and have heard a lot of > good things about the audio engines. I was however looking for > something a little smaller that could be slightly more hidden away - > sorry i should have been more specific - any ideas? The problem w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-05-29 Thread James_B
I am sure powered monitors are a great route and have heard a lot of good things about the audio engines. I was however looking for something a little smaller that could be slightly more hidden away - sorry i should have been more specific - any ideas? -- James_B ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-05-29 Thread SuperQ
James_B;205524 Wrote: > Are there any suggestions out there for discrete speaker systems > suitable for small rooms (say ten square metres)? Ideally any solution > would also sound great at relatively low volumes.. and lets say there > is a 500 pound budget but less is definitely more.. > > Many

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
opaqueice;205531 Wrote: > This is a question for anyone with any experience with audio recording. > > I've been thinking about the question of the audibility of polarity > inversion (or absolute phase as it's sometimes called - let's define it > as the effect of reversing the leads on each of yo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread AndyC_772
That makes a lot of sense - if you've ever seen a real time frequency analysis of an MP3, it's very clear that the highs are abruptly chopped off unless the amplitude at a given frequency is very high. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_7

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-29 Thread mswlogo
I don't know all the answers to your questions but I get what your getting at. We had a similar thread about phase on multi channel playback on a meridian system where one user calibrated his system with all the same make amps and speakers and found his system sounded "better" (using the built in

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-29 Thread opaqueice
This is a question for anyone with any experience with audio recording. I've been thinking about the question of the audibility of polarity inversion (or absolute phase as it's sometimes called - let's define it as the effect of reversing the leads on each of your speakers). I know this can be a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-05-29 Thread James_B
Are there any suggestions out there for discrete speaker systems suitable for small rooms (say ten square metres)? Ideally any solution would also sound great at relatively low volumes.. and lets say there is a 500 pound budget but less is definitely more.. Many thanks -- James_B -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-29 Thread opaqueice
Phil Leigh;205507 Wrote: > > It's probably worth pondering how a planar diaphragm microphone is ever > supposed to capture the correct phase in the first place, even in the > Bass drum example, since when the drum head moves away from the beater > the diaphragm moves in towards the mic and it wi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?

2007-05-29 Thread Videodrome
I've been navigating my way through the myriad number of power supply upgrades for the SB. Unforunately, it looks like if there's anything consistent about the makes and models used by members of the forum, it's their inconsistency. >From what I've gleaned -- based the voltage, amperage and conn

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread JJZolx
haunyack;205346 Wrote: > 'scuse the rookie question, but I'm not sure what this term means. > > I've noticed that sometimes the higher notes (frequencies)? sound just > a bit ...broken on my system. > For the lack of proper terminology, I would say that sometimes the high > notes sound "shredded

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread blessingx
I just want to add, although lossy isn't ideal, I wouldn't write off all of it. While high bitrate LAME MP3, several encoder AAC or Ogg Vorbis files, etc. won't always have the extension of lossless/uncompressed files, the distortion of shred-like highs usually is not there by any means at lea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
Oh - and yes both cartridges and speakers/headphones (all types - although open panel electrostatics are better in this respect than the rest) distort asymmetrically - most other stuff doesn't, unless faulty. -- Phil Leigh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
Opaqueice, I basically agree. I don't believe I said that it was impossible to hear phase 180 degree inversion differences - it's quite easy with a sine wave in a room...but all music - even a Bass drum - is (thank goodness) asymmetric and not very much like a sine wave, as you point out. I also

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread haunyack
Phil Leigh;205485 Wrote: > I'm reasonably sure your amp and speakers are fine. > Try some lossless stuff (or just a CD if you can) and see if the > "shredding" goes away... > > If you can actually hear anything over 15k then you are doing well - > very well. I'd guess this "shredding" is more li

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-29 Thread opaqueice
S-Man;205455 Wrote: > > I think some or you are being unfair on the TNT reviewer... > I have just had a good lsiten to V15 versus V81 and can hear a > noticeable difference (although the different volume profiles used > makes a direct comparison rather tricky). HOWEVER IMHO the difference > is s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A virgin writes

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
pugwonk;205481 Wrote: > I'm sorry - terribly remiss of me not to report back. Yes I did, and I > have to say they sound fantastic. My whole living room seems filled > with sound, which is great. Many thanks to everyone who replied on the > thread - I'm sure this was the right thing to do and I re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
S-Man;205455 Wrote: > I have owned an SB+ for about 3 months and would say that it provides a > huge improvement in sound quality over a standard SB3. I would also add > that a good linear power supply with an othewise standard SB3 gives > about half as much improvement as the SB+. Whether or not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
I'm reasonably sure your amp and speakers are fine. Try some lossless stuff (or just a CD if you can) and see if the "shredding" goes away... If you can actually hear anything over 15k then you are doing well - very well. I'd guess this "shredding" is more likely to be in the 9-12Khz range...?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A virgin writes

2007-05-29 Thread pugwonk
swhite58;205354 Wrote: > So, did you get the Audioengines up and running? How do they sound? I'm sorry - terribly remiss of me not to report back. Yes I did, and I have to say they sound fantastic. My whole living room seems filled with sound, which is great. Many thanks to everyone who replie

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Thoughts on a 2 channel rig

2007-05-29 Thread patherb2
This will be in a totally different room. I just bought a 2BR condo. The multi-channel set up will be in the living room. This new setup will go in the 2nd BR which will be used a listening room / office / guest room. BTW - I just spotted an Apogee mini-DAC on Audiogon for $600. I am very tem

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?

2007-05-29 Thread mr_bill
Anne;205401 Wrote: > Without making anyone nervous, the analog out of SB3 is pretty good. > I had a hard time hearing differences between it and my Philips dvd > 963SA with clock upgrade, via electrostatic headphones. > Funny, via the speakers, switching back and forth via the remote, it > was a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-29 Thread slimkid
S-Man;205455 Wrote: > I guess I'll get lots of replies stating it's not possible to > distinguish absolute phase. I don't think people will dispute that one can hear the change in phase. I'd dispute sole act of doing it - what's the point? Of course, your personal preference and liking aren't fo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-29 Thread S-Man
I have owned an SB+ for about 3 months and would say that it provides a huge improvement in sound quality over a standard SB3. I would also add that a good linear power supply with an othewise standard SB3 gives about half as much improvement as the SB+. Whether or not the extra 50% in sound quali

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread Pat Farrell
haunyack wrote: > The speakers are fairly high end Vandersteen 3A Signature, which are Yes, nice > Pat - after doing some side by side's with tracks flac/wma(192) I can > say that the distortion appears to be on the wma tracks only. > > Phil - do you suppose that my old B&K amp may be showing si

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Thoughts on a 2 channel rig

2007-05-29 Thread ceejay
patherb2;205233 Wrote: > Yes, this will be a completely separate setup. ok - but still not clear if you are going to a separate location. If your motivation is, as you say, to get your 2-ch signal away from a multichannel amp then you can always have both driving the same front speakers. Jus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread haunyack
gw43 - thanks for the explanation. The speakers are fairly high end Vandersteen 3A Signature, which are the best I've owned and are remarkably pleasant listening. The listed freq. response is - 30Hz to 22kHz + or - 1.2dB by FFT step function. I'm sure thay are designed to handle the tones that see

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh
IF you mean lossy compression then I can hear all sorts of problems with cymbals even at 320Mbps - I'm not sure I'd say it sounds "shredded" - rather somewhat "unreal" or "artificial" - hard to explain. It doesn't happen on every record. I also think it depends on whether or not the cymbals (and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread Pat Farrell
haunyack wrote: > 'scuse the rookie question, but I'm not sure what this term means. > > I've noticed that sometimes the higher notes (frequencies)? sound just > a bit ...broken on my system. > For the lack of proper terminology, I would say that sometimes the high > notes sound "shredded". > It s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-05-29 Thread tonyptony
inguz;205330 Wrote: > Re: REQW: if you didn't get prompted for which channel to use when > importing the PCM file, REQW was probably interpreting it as mono > instead of stereo, which would explain the HF curve. Not sure I understand this. Since I saved it as a 32bit stereo PCM file, why would i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?

2007-05-29 Thread Anne
Without making anyone nervous, the analog out of SB3 is pretty good. I had a hard time hearing differences between it and my Philips dvd 963SA with clock upgrade, via electrostatic headphones. Funny, via the speakers, switching back and forth via the remote, it was a bit easier, but there isnt muc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-05-29 Thread inguz
Sorry, I meant bk-3-spline. See here: http://drc-fir.sourceforge.net/doc/drc.html#htoc41 Correct, the flatness control is "linear phase". -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 Vie

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-05-29 Thread tingtong5
inguz;205330 Wrote: > Re: REQW: if you didn't get prompted for > The "flatness" control works roughly like this: > So If I understand correctly the flatness control does effect the frequency response but does not affect the other room corrections like echo or phase corrections? Ronald. -- t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-05-29 Thread tingtong5
inguz;205316 Wrote: > > tingtong5: yes, this looks absolutely normal. The best startingpoint > for a target file is usually the bk-5-spline rather than flat, but > anyway try listening with "flatness" values around 3 to 5, see if this > brings back some of the frequency balance you're used to.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?

2007-05-29 Thread AndyC_772
Mark Lanctot;204983 Wrote: > Note, as Anne mentions, that this is not only due to DAC differences but > also how receivers handle analog signals (often very poorly), see > http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers Quite right - so I checked. The A1 does apparently have a true analogue pa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?

2007-05-29 Thread gw43
haunyack;205346 Wrote: > 'scuse the rookie question, but I'm not sure what this term means. > > > > . "Roll Off" typically refers to the fact that at the extremes of frequencies, the volume coming from the speakers will gradually reduce. So, if a speaker is quoted as being "50Hz - 20kHz, +/-3