[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables are worth money

2007-10-01 Thread Pat Farrell
I bet he wants DBT proof >From Digg, this link: http://tinyurl.com/2ncuhd James Randi Offers $1 Million If Audiophiles Can Prove $7250 Speaker Cables Are Better. A rant about those $7,250 Pear Anjou speaker cables found its way to the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF), and Randi off

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread emilioforte
I think I know what you mean...and the answer is yes. Phil Leigh;231842 Wrote: > You might want to try hanging some drapes on the walls (eg behind your > listening position, or between the speakers). > > If you clap your hands can you hear a "flutter echo"? -- emilioforte ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-10-01 Thread esbrewer
tonyptony;231155 Wrote: > Hmm, that's the "Normal" test convolution? In the Inguzaudio\Tools > directory find the normal.drc file and open it in Notepad or similar > editor. Look for PSPointsFile; see what's after the equals sign. If > it's bk-3-spline.txt then I'm not quite sure why it isn't cor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Square waves are not very helpful for audio

2007-10-01 Thread DCtoDaylight
Actually you will probably get into trouble quickly, feeding high power, high frequency signals into your speakers, square or sine wave. Most tweeters can only take a fraction of a watt for an extended period of time. I remember reading an interview with one of Keith Emersons (ELP) sound techs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-01 Thread amey01
opaqueice;231706 Wrote: > Yes, I fully agree - knowing that you're listening to a hi-rez format > can enhance your perception of the quality of the sound. I know you're disagreeing with me here, but I agree with you also. There can be placebo effect also. There is just so much we don't understan

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Test your ears, Speakers or generate impuls response characteristics of your room!

2007-10-01 Thread Deaf Cat
Phil Leigh;231871 Wrote: > I use the DENSEN demag CD for that - it's safe. (as is the IsoTek one) > Hi Phil, Do you find after playing it, you actually hear a difference ? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Test your ears, Speakers or generate impuls response characteristics of your room!

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
Deaf Cat;231870 Wrote: > So errr, normal loud listening volume is not recommended then, for the > test, don't want anything going PoP! maybe 1/4 of normal? > > Is it stuff like this that is sold on those cds that are susposed to > give the speakers a good work out, and hence improve their

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Test your ears, Speakers or generate impuls response characteristics of your room!

2007-10-01 Thread Deaf Cat
So errr, normal loud listening volume is not recommended then, for the test, don't want anything going PoP! maybe 1/4 of normal? Is it stuff like this that is sold on those cds that are susposed to give the speakers a good work out, and hence improve their performance, or am I in the totall

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread Videodrome
Most of what I've read on Auralex relates to their Gramma isolation pad. People seem to have had good results using them under subwoofers. -- Videodrome Two-channel System: SB3 -> Behringer SRC2496 -> Musiland MD-10 DAC; Outlaw 970 Pre/Pro; McCormack DNA-125 amplifier; Quad 11L speakers; Sota

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Lockup

2007-10-01 Thread CraigStevenson
I have not reported this, since it doesn't seem to be easily reproducible. However, I do not know for sure if it has been or has not been reported. It will be interesting to see if going back to an earlier firmware version fixes it for anybody. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to do this,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread Pat Farrell
emilioforte wrote: > I was hoping that something like the Auralex corner treatments could be > of benefit. RealTraps has corner treatments as well. Check them out at http://www.realtraps.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
amcluesent;231841 Wrote: > >they had to wear white cotton gloves< > > Show me a remote control that is as good as my Butler in switching > channels! Oops I forgot...they were Kotton (tm). -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread amcluesent
>they had to wear white cotton gloves< Show me a remote control that is as good as my Butler in switching channels! -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this threa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread emilioforte
Actually, the room is a simple rectangle, with plenty of cushy furniture. However, the ceiling is high (3 meters). The walls and ceiling (yes) are concrete. The floor is tile over concrete, although I have a very large and thick carpet over that. Basically, the room is a good echo chamber. Ta

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread haunyack
Phil Leigh;231808 Wrote: > Aktually I believe that to be a fakt. I still love the way my 5103 has > no "K" in it... That's inKredible Koincidence ? - onKyo,twonKy, Klimax. . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K R200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) -> Rotel RB1070

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
haunyack;231805 Wrote: > Good one...I suppose they will acquire Twonky and rename it twonKy. > > . Aktually I believe that to be a fakt. I still love the way my 5103 has no "K" in it... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread haunyack
Phil Leigh;231803 Wrote: > I bet they only chose that coz it has a "K" in it... :o) Good one...I suppose they will acquire Twonky and rename it twonKy. . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K R200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) -> Rotel RB1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. (

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
haunyack;231799 Wrote: > bump - > > . I bet they only chose that coz it has a "K" in it... :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread haunyack
haunyack;231628 Wrote: > FWIW - > Before I became a SB/Transporter devotee, I used my Onkyo TX-NR801 to > stream digital from my computer. > Their delivery system is called "Net Tune" and is very clunky - almost > impossible. > Some Net Tune users found that the Twonky server was an alternative.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
amcluesent;231792 Wrote: > >The big problem for non-techie users will be ripping and tagging.< > > I guess anyone paying £9,600 will have 'people' do to these mundane > tasks for them ;-) That's right. I used to have someone put the discs into my CD12... they had to wear white cotton gloves...

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread amcluesent
>The big problem for non-techie users will be ripping and tagging.< I guess anyone paying £9,600 will have 'people' do to these mundane tasks for them ;-) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread adamslim
Clive, Do excuse my (very gentle) flame baiting :) I'm no Linn devotee, but I would be surprised if the Klimax didn't sound better than the Transporter. But you never know, and mine is purely an assertion with no basis in fact. I do reiterate my final comment though - this is good for Slim/Log

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread rexflexall
I could not agree with Phil more. We will see some outrageous products being developed over the coming months and years in this "new" product category. Word has been for awhile that Meridian is headed this way and with the recent introduction of their ethernet based digital delivery infrastructure

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
I noticed you avoided commenting on whether you thought the DS was "better" than the SB+DAC... :o) I am very familiar with Linn engineering (having bought LOTS of it over the years) and I have no doubt it is very well made...and sounds good... but it CANNOT possibly be worth the money they are as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread rexflexall
In response to the wireless or wired issue, Linn wanted reliablility in their products and did not wish to struggle with a clients wireless environment. The engineers also felt that the possibility of dropping bits or packets would not be acceptacle to their clientele, which would not accept a fue

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread rexflexall
I work for a Linn dealer and have heard the demo in-store of the Klimax DS through some very expensive gear, including some non-Linn setups. As a high end source it is outstanding. They demoed some MP3 files @ 320 and then FLAC @ 16/44.1 then finally FLAC 24/192 all using the same material for com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
Bizarroterl;231750 Wrote: > I have a closet door that I have to shim shut because it will start > rattling like crazy when the sub is rocking. Even a remote on a coffee > table can make noise if you have it cranked. That's exactly the sort of thing I was talking about! Things that rattle, buzz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread Bizarroterl
Phil Leigh;231739 Wrote: > > One thing worth doing is checking for things that rattle along with the > music (eg ornaments) - you won't normally hear them unless you use a > swept tone (get a copy of Soundcheck or similar). You might be > surprised by what's rockin' along with your music! I hav

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
Generally "foam" won't help with domestic rooms (apart from some exceptional circumstances). Take a look at something like this: http://www.customaudiodesigns.co.uk/basstraps/basstrap.htm If you have lots of glass areas in your den, You can try and tame them with "foam"...but it may not work. Try

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread Phil Leigh
I'm a Linn devotee (sort of - I love their active speakers and I am devoted to my 5103) - but I won't be buying a Klimax. Like a lot of their recent output, this is hideously overpriced. I would expect it to sound very good indeed - which means it will be very close in nature (if not voicing) to t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustic Foam

2007-10-01 Thread Pat Farrell
emilioforte wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has had experience with or opinions about > Auralex products, which I am considering, and which are expensive, and > www.foambymail.com, which is perhaps less specialized but far less > expensive. No personal experience, but the recording oriented ma

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread cliveb
adamslim;231701 Wrote: > Since it is dealer set-up, I presume that they set up a PC for you and > the network. If it works with a NAS, would a Klimax+NAS+ethernet > switch system be enough? If so, it should work out of the box and not > need a geek to maintain. Getting the initial server setup

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread amcluesent
I still chortling at the salesman saying 'Twonky' and then asking for £9,600 in the same sentence! :) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-01 Thread opaqueice
amey01;231687 Wrote: > > It can be scientifically proven that even if you cannot hear it, it can > have an effect on what you can hear. Yes, I fully agree - knowing that you're listening to a hi-rez format can enhance your perception of the quality of the sound. -- opaqueice

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread adamslim
Any questions as to value are irrelevant - if it is the best-sounding digital source available, then £9,600 does not seem an outrageous price (indeed, good value?). Since it is dealer set-up, I presume that they set up a PC for you and the network. If it works with a NAS, would a Klimax+NAS+ethe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16/44 vs. 24/96 Format Comparison

2007-10-01 Thread amey01
opaqueice;230609 Wrote: > What do you mean by "Nyquist criterion" if not that frequencies above > 22kHz (or 18 for that matter) are inaudible? It's not a question of whether or not they are audible. It is whether or not they have an *EFFECT* on what you hear! It can be scientifically proven th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread funkstar
emilioforte;231632 Wrote: > Why someone would pay ten times as much for a device with fewer features > and that almost certainly won't sound better is beyond me. It may sound better, but will it sound 10x better? ;) -- funkstar --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread emilioforte
This just sounds like an ill-conceived and stupendously overpriced device. Then again, most things in high-end audio are way overpriced. The Transporter is overpriced and, almost surely, it is so in order to meet the expectations of some audiophiles (I have it on good authority that this is the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-01 Thread haunyack
thomsens;231617 Wrote: > I had a personal demo of the Klimax DS last week. It's all business. > Ethernet only, no other inputs either. It relies on UPnP and comes > with (or at least suggests you use) Twonkymedia. FWIW - I could not get Twonky to work reliably on my system. Believe it or no