Hi zanash,
zanash;234266 Wrote:
> Do try different dac's I was underwhelmed by the dac 1 its
> performance was significantly less than an £80 behringer src 2496, not
> just my viewthe dac1 owner sold the benchmark and bought an src and
> saved £700. The SB3 even into a dac will benift
Hi sonofcolin,
Glad to know there is someone out there who knows where I'm coming
from.
I tried the Bel Canto REF monoblocks as an alternative to my Naim amps,
but decided not to buy them, as I was still wedded to all my Naim power
supplies and pre-amp etc... and also at that time I couldn't get
Do try different dac's I was underwhelmed by the dac 1 its
performance was significantly less than an £80 behringer src 2496, not
just my viewthe dac1 owner sold the benchmark and bought an src and
saved £700. The SB3 even into a dac will benift from a better psu ,
there are plenty out th
Hi Keith,
I find the Mac / DAC1 using an optical cable comes very, very close to
my CDX2 / XPS2. My wife can detect the differences more than I can!
She thinks the Naim sound is more 'lively' and 'punchy' but I think
that is the Naim house sound coming through.
I have not found the Benchmark t
Monty,
I'm using the same. You will not find the sb3/BM Dac1 better than
cdx2/xps2. However it's a very close call. Most listeners cannot detect
a difference. One person said the bass lines are more defined with the
cdp. Even the "house" Naim sound is replicated in the BM Dac1. As
mentioned before
opaqueice;232195 Wrote:
> As a physicist I'm reasonably well acquainted with the differences
> cables can make. And yes, they are real, and yes, they are sometimes
> audible. However the situations in which they are audible are
> typically very extreme (like 30 feet of 24 gauge zip cord compare
Whats interesting to me is that wars are fought and mega $ spent over
marginal differences introduced by well understood and low tech
devices that have reached engineering maturity: cables, power supplies,
CD players, DAC, op AMPs,
For these kinds of devices once you spend 3 times more tha
Hello Monty,
I know where you're coming from! I had CDX/XPS/82/SC/250. I now use a
modified SB3 into a Bel Canto DAC3 and Bel Canto amps (no pre
required). I also use a Powerbook via iTunes/USB into the same DAC. I
enjoy digital a lot more with this setup and love the flexibility and
sound it bri
Monty_W;234161 Wrote:
> I moved away from Naim speakers (Allaes) and went Sonus Faber and this
> helped.
>
> Using the Mac/DAC1 has really wetted my apetite - if a SB3 into a Dac
> is sonically better then I need to give it a try.
>
>
I'm not sure that SB->DAC1 will be 'much' better than m
SatoriGFX;234142 Wrote:
> BTW. Which DAC are you refering to? I don't use the internal DAC on
> the SB3. I use a CIAudio VDA-2 w/VAC-1 PSU. Not the highest end DAC
> but many have compared it to other capable DACs (Benchmark, Lavry
> etc...) and prefered it or at least thought it was in the s
slimpy;234024 Wrote:
> As long as the metadata and the audio data is in seperate places there's
> always a good chance that you lose the metadata.
> Have you considered using any of the lossless audio formats (wma
> lossless, apple lossless, flac)? They all store metadata in the audio
> files, so
servies;234114 Wrote:
> Quote from the article:
>
> > ... "In our opinion this cable is better", but when they say
> > the above, then I want ...
I think when people say "in my opinion ..", they admit to possibly
flawed subjectivity. It's not a categoric statement. At that level
people can ag
Monty_W;234161 Wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Thanks fo the reply. One of the reasons I moved away from Naim amps
> was a realisation that I no longer enjoyed the Naim 'house' sound. I
> moved away from Naim speakers (Allaes) and went Sonus Faber and this
> helped.
>
> Using the Mac/DAC1 has really w
Hi Phil,
Thanks fo the reply. One of the reasons I moved away from Naim amps
was a realisation that I no longer enjoyed the Naim 'house' sound. I
moved away from Naim speakers (Allaes) and went Sonus Faber and this
helped.
Using the Mac/DAC1 has really wetted my apetite - if a SB3 into a Dac
darrenyeats;234148 Wrote:
> Wow, the Linn forum must have been in an uproar when you said you were
> happy with the Transporter's sound. So...you didn't suggest their
> products might sound "broken" compared to something else then?
>
> If only all you said here was "I like the sound of the Linn
Phil Leigh wrote:
> No need to mod it - the stock unit is fine
> In my experience, an SB3 into a nice DAC (take your pick - Benchmark or
> whatever, I prefer the Musical Fidelity ones myself) will equal or
> outperform your Naim CDX2
I agree that a SqueezeBox feeding a nice DAC is very nice.
As a long-standing Linn owner (25 years+) I'd just like to say:
1) I'm sure the DS sounds great - all the other Linn Klimax stuff I've
heards sounds great - wish I could afford it.
2) I had a CD12 which was one of the greatest CD players ever made
(IMHO) - I sold it and use an SB3+MF Dac. I prefer
No need to mod it - the stock unit is fine (others will disagree - some
violently!).
In my experience, an SB3 into a nice DAC (take your pick - Benchmark or
whatever, I prefer the Musical Fidelity ones myself) will equal or
outperform your Naim CDX2 - but you need to bear in mind that Naim has
a "
harmonic;234128 Wrote:
>
> I posted on the linn forum have happy i was about the sound of the
> transporter and not singel linni had a negativ thing to say , the where
> all just happy to here this, look what happens when sombody says
> enything bad about the transporter in here .
>
Wow, the
Harmonic,
you are a troll, even worse, you are a troll that can't spell.
However, this does make you entertaining even if it is headache
inducing trying to decipher your posts.
Now I think I will spin some vinyl on my Linn TT (gasp, oh no, I'm a
Linnie)
With my tube phono preamp. I do use a Grah
Hi,
First post so be gentle with me!
As a long time hi-fi user, lover of music and serial upgrader I ended
up with the following system, Naim:
CDX2 / XPS2
282 HiCap
200
Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor speakers.
All with Naim cables.
I looked at upgrading my pre/power amp and realised to get any
TiredLegs;234133 Wrote:
> Have you tried comparing WAV files from the SB3 to the output of the CD
> player? If not, you haven't done an apples to apples comparison.
>
> I am well aware that the SB3 digital output from FLAC files SHOULD be
> bit-for-bit identical to a WAV file, but unless someone
"It's in the first post."
Well, not to be picky, but your preference wasn't reversed UNTIL you
added the linear PSU into the picture.
"My conclusion wasn't that an apple tastes like an orange. A difference
was still apparent (as far as I could detect in the limited time
available). It was just
Hrmunk,
pliesae du sophing aphoupt yir stpelkkingf unsd grimmear.
.
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haunyack
Transporter -> B&K R200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room)
SB3 (RWA analog) -> Rotel RB1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. (Bedroom)
Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated
neighbor
SatoriGFX;234118 Wrote:
> Ok, I don't see in that thread where your preference was reversed.
It's in the first post.
SatoriGFX;234118 Wrote:
> But nobody is going to say an apple tastes like an orange.
>
My conclusion wasn't that an apple tastes like an orange. A difference
was still apparen
If there is interest, I may try to get a rudimentary website up in the
next week or so with a link to this project, including a parts list and
further diagrams and pics. I have the SB2. The SB3 is probably very
similar. There are three traces between the Xilinx and the SB dac chip
for the BCK, LRC
Have you tried comparing WAV files from the SB3 to the output of the CD
player? If not, you haven't done an apples to apples comparison.
I am well aware that the SB3 digital output from FLAC files SHOULD be
bit-for-bit identical to a WAV file, but unless someone has tested and
confirmed this, a W
cliveb;234026 Wrote:
> Logitech is a much bigger company than Linn.
>
> People do not bash Linn because they are "big". They get bashed because
> they charge obscene amounts of money for their products (which I will
> acknowledge are usually pretty good).
>
> They are not alone (think of Naim,
There is really only one way to do the following two things
simultaneously:
1. Fully include a human's ears *and* brain in a test.
2. Filter out all psychological factors not related to the sound
itself.
Love it or loathe it, the blind test. This is how things are PROVED.
Or - if you prefer - w
darrenyeats;234107 Wrote:
> SatoriGFX,
> Read this thread carefully
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37553&highlight=blind+test
>
> I heard differences between transports too but my preference got
> reversed (see the thread).
> Darren
Ok, I don't see in that thread where your p
Quote from the article:
> Dave Clark, Editor of audio review publication Positive Feedback Online
> describes the ANJOU performance as being "... way better than anything
> I have heard..." He goes on to say, "Simply put these are very
> danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the
SatoriGFX;234100 Wrote:
> I have no idea "why" transports sound different though I have read lots
> of theories that try to explain why. Having said that, they DO sound
> different, to me anyhow. I recently purchased a CEC belt drive
> transport out of curiosity. I was rather happy with my Squ
Denny,
You are correct about data being handled without error on computers. If
in the very rare case there is an error some part of the system crashes!
Information Technology is based on error detection and correction,
buffering and asynchronous transfer. This differs from the audio world
where th
DennyL;234088 Wrote:
> Digital information is a stream of numbers.
>
> I assume that when a CD is ripped to FLAC then both the CD and the FLAC
> generate the same stream of numbers - that would be the FLAC-developer's
> goal if the FLAC is to be the computer-file embodiment of the CD.
>
> I not
m1abrams;234086 Wrote:
> Question regarding Homeplug and like devices. How do they fair on power
> networks in homes where their is no HF bridge across the phases?
>
> Many homes have half the house on one phase and the other half on the
> other phase. I would think in order to make network ov
Digital information is a stream of numbers.
I assume that when a CD is ripped to FLAC then both the CD and the FLAC
generate the same stream of numbers - that would be the FLAC-developer's
goal if the FLAC is to be the computer-file embodiment of the CD.
I notice that no-one in this thread has s
Question regarding Homeplug and like devices. How do they fair on power
networks in homes where their is no HF bridge across the phases?
Many homes have half the house on one phase and the other half on the
other phase. I would think in order to make network over mains work in
all parts of the
Besides, who listens to a CD player anymore when we have SBs?
TD
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IMO, it is all really "in the ears of the beholder," i.e., if someone
feels that an expensive cable makes his system sound better, that is
great.
For my money, I want to know that the difference is perceivable. 1)
Demonstrate that someone, somewhere, on some system can reliably tell
the differen
darrenyeats wrote:
> Before you kick off a repeat war, see this thread
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38596 for a discussion
> of DVD-A and SACD vs red book quality.
Plus, one has no clue as to the cause of any difference. It is likely
that the mastering engineer of the SACD was
servies;234070 Wrote:
> Where is that info your ears and bones are sending to your brains coming
> from? From your speakers. If there is no difference in that signal
> between the different cables then there is no difference whatever your
> brain may think. That's what this whole test is about: e
I bought three homeplugs for my Squeezebox 3. They worked straight away
with ho struggle. After about twenty minutes the music stopped, and the
server could no longer find the Squeezebox, so now I'll sell the
homeplugs and I'm back to Ethernet. (Don't talk about wireless...)
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DennyL
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Where are the signals connected to SB3? Any further photos showed?
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Phil Leigh;234027 Wrote:
> But surely that's the whole point? - I agree we can probably determine
> what the ear itself is doing, but we have no great method of dtermining
> what the brain is doing with whatever limited information it IS getting
> from the ear (and we mustn't forget about bone co
zanash;234014 Wrote:
> I've used the sb3 deq2496 combo
>
> the results are very good if you happy to manually set the deq rather
> than let it do the correction. The dac in the deq is at least the equal
> of the sb3 in my case I've modded the deq so its definately superior to
> the standard
Phil Leigh wrote:
> servies;234002 Wrote:
>> Et voilà, you answered your own question...
>> The brain is interpolating/upsampling the data it gets, coloring it
>> with all the past experience it has...
>> Is this bad? I've never had a problem with it, but I'm not going to say
>> that we humans hav
Before you kick off a repeat war, see this thread
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38596 for a discussion
of DVD-A and SACD vs red book quality. It was all thrashed out there
(with the usual people not budging from their usual views).
As for the money aspect of the question, it depe
abelincoln;234033 Wrote:
> Music playing on a $15K CD player or the same recording on a $200 SACD
> player because of the higher resolution?
I've dem'd a mid-range ($600) Marantz SACD player and found it to be
roughly on pair with a CD player costing around twice the price. I'd
expect a real hi
Mark Lanctot;233923 Wrote:
> Machined aluminum castings look really cool.
>
>
>
> My only comment was how will they improve the sound?
You answered your own question...
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Music playing on a $15K CD player or the same recording on a $200 SACD
player because of the higher resolution?
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servies;234002 Wrote:
> Et voilà, you answered your own question...
> The brain is interpolating/upsampling the data it gets, coloring it
> with all the past experience it has...
> Is this bad? I've never had a problem with it, but I'm not going to say
> that we humans have hearing capabilities w
harmonic;234018 Wrote:
> people tend to bash on linn becaue its a big company
Logitech is a much bigger company than Linn.
People do not bash Linn because they are "big". They get bashed because
they charge obscene amounts of money for their products (which I will
acknowledge are usually pretty
james vaughan;233977 Wrote:
> Not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, I want to rip
> everything to an external hard drive and if needed copy and past those
> music files to another. I know with Itunes, if used to rip, once you
> move the file either one or the complete collection, t
FWIW on Linux I use the KDE tools.
Juk for the organising and playing music on the desktop, k3b for
burning and kaudiocreator for ripping. The obvious things work, at
least (e.g. drag and drop flac files from juk into k3b and press burn
to get an audio CD, voila).
Darren
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SB3 /
Mark Lanctot;233923 Wrote:
> I didn't have a bad comment. Machined aluminum castings look really
> cool. Not $20K cool, but cool.
>
> My only comment was how will they improve the sound? You appear to
> know before you hear it.
Dont beleive the transporter is the last step and we will never
seanadams;233921 Wrote:
> YOU are the one who is prejudiced. You haven't even heard the thing but
> you're making all kinds of predictions about how it'll sound and even
> suggesting some pretty ridiculous reasons as to why.
>
> I think what you're hearing from the rest of us is not fanboyism, b
the exposure a21 [?] sounds very good it runs quite hot though so
this could be an issue. The newer quad 99 intigrateds would be hard to
beat. Though I'm not a fan of the arcam amps
an off the wall solution try one of the cheap push pull el34 valve
amps that are available some are extr
I've used the sb3 deq2496 combo
the results are very good if you happy to manually set the deq rather
than let it do the correction. The dac in the deq is at least the equal
of the sb3 in my case I've modded the deq so its definately superior to
the standard sb3. I've heard the tact several
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