Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread GaryG
CPC;256228 Wrote: > See Alex's forum for more info. No mention of an additional board for the analogue section, given that Alex isn't keen on capacitor coupling in the analogue output I'm looking forward to hearing what other changes have been made. Regards Gary -- GaryG

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] THIS is how to do a tube mod...

2008-01-08 Thread crooner
Superb video, thanks Sean for sharing! -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Marantz 10B tube FM tuner Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread cdnpaul
Great thread! I definitely enjoyed reading it. Keep up the great work Sean! -- cdnpaul cdnpaul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.ph

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread CPC
GaryG;256148 Wrote: > Maybe, in effect, that's what APLHiFi are doing. Given that they're > stacking DAC chips and including a new single ended analogue output > stage (stated as disabling the XLR output), to me that reads like a new > DAC board being fed from the digital section of the original

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] THIS is how to do a tube mod...

2008-01-08 Thread peterw
Now we know what Sean's been up to... ...introducing Transporter v2, with no transistors... -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver BottleRocket FuzzyTime SaverSwitcher SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] THIS is how to do a tube mod...

2008-01-08 Thread riffer
Watched that a few days ago. Boy, would I like a shop like that guy. Look at all the machining tools he has at the end. -- riffer riffer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13459 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] THIS is how to do a tube mod...

2008-01-08 Thread opaqueice
seanadams;256191 Wrote: > http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/01/make_your_own_vaccum_tube.html Should have guessed you'd be a slashdot reader... :-) -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/memb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter playing 88 kHz files

2008-01-08 Thread DCtoDaylight
Sean has posted a few times that the SB2/3's processor isn't fast enough to handle 96k sample rates, so the answer is no If I understand correctly, the Duet is basically a displayless SB3, which would imply that it will be restricted to 44/48k as well. -- DCtoDaylight -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] THIS is how to do a tube mod...

2008-01-08 Thread haunyack
That was fun...now if I could just figure a way to DIY electrons. btw... Two hydrogens are walking along a street. The first one says, "Hey! I think I lost an electron!" The second one replies, "Are you sure?" The first one then says, "Yeah, I'm POSITIVE." . -- haunyack Happy Leap Year! -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] THIS is how to do a tube mod...

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/01/make_your_own_vaccum_tube.html -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=4

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread bhobba
seanadams;256147 Wrote: > You seem confused about the difference between objective vs subjective > claims. It is too bad that the APL mods and the Modwright mods have > been conflated in this thread, as the nature of each and the claims > being made are _completely_ different. Please do not attri

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread bhobba
mr_bill;256120 Wrote: > I appreciate Sean's comments as he is the designer, and engineer and > knows a heck of a lot more than I do! Thanks for the voice of truth. > I have not been posting here long, but I like Sean's posts as well. Their 'no nonsense' approach is refreshing. They are simil

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
kenreau;256137 Wrote: > > Sean - Are you attending CES this week? > Not this year went last year and it was a bit too much of a zoo. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread GaryG
seanadams;255739 Wrote: > Certain kinds of modifications that involve reducing noise are not > physically possible without a board respin. Maybe, in effect, that's what APLHiFi are doing. Given that they're stacking DAC chips and including a new single ended analogue output stage (stated as disa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
bhobba;256135 Wrote: > not measuring distortion in a lab or dismissing ideas that may on the > surface look like hooey. You seem confused about the difference between objective vs subjective claims. It is too bad that the APL mods and the Modwright mods have been conflated in this thread, as the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread alekz
Phil Leigh;256086 Wrote: > Any chance of moving (most of) this thread to the music forum? Good point. I was only going to say that selling 27.6bit 212kHz recordings does not make them worth buying. OTOH (back to the subject), it would be nice to have a device able to process all available format

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread kenreau
Imho, unless you have actually heard a modified player, you really can't comment on what they should sound like. For those that can, or care to, you can actually hear a MWI modified Transporter at CES this week. Dan Wright is set up in the following room at the Venetian and you can hear for your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread bhobba
Pat Farrell;255883 Wrote: > rajacat wrote:[color=blue] > Sure, its 'possible' to make tubes sounds like transistors, and vice > versa, but why bother? If you like tubes, get them. If you like solid > state, get them. > To understand why valves sound better in some ways than solid state, and con

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread mr_bill
I appreciate Sean's comments as he is the designer, and engineer and knows a heck of a lot more than I do! Thanks for the voice of truth. If Sean can look at the mod and know if it's going to be an improvement or not from theory and design and reality, then thanks for letting us know! This take

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread Phil Leigh
radish;256094 Wrote: > Of course the fact is that a modded TP is still a TP. Sean could sit > back and watch people buy modded players quite happily knowing that $2k > of the purchase price went straight to Logitech - once the unit has left > the premises and the money's in the bank who cares? >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread haunyack
radish;256094 Wrote: > ...I don't see why he has to prove anything For that matter, those who would like Sean to do the footwork in order to prove out differences between the stock and mod TP, should take aim at the modders. IMO the onus is on the modders, not Sean . -- haunyack Happy Leap

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread radish
Of course the fact is that a modded TP is still a TP. Sean could sit back and watch people buy modded players quite happily knowing that $2k of the purchase price went straight to Logitech - once the unit has left the premises and the money's in the bank who cares? He is instead giving his opini

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread Phil Leigh
Any chance of moving (most of) this thread to the music forum? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Au

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread jeffmeh
seanadams;256048 Wrote: > Maybe. Or maybe based on what I know of the Transporter and of > electrical engineering, I can be quite confident in my position with > just the information at hand. > > Here's an analogy: Suppose I sell bits of string which are 3" in > length. Perfect for tying up very

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread Phil Leigh
jdbaker;256073 Wrote: > Sean, > > I dig your feistiness man. Ya' know...if Ivor Tiefunbrun was watching this I bet he'd be yelling "Go Sean, Go Sean" -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altma

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread jdbaker
Sean, I dig your feistiness man. -- jdbaker SB3/Parasound C2/A51/PSB CHS60's/CHS40/Triad Gold Dipole Inwall Surrounds/Triad Inwall Silver Sub. SB3/Conrad Johnson D/A 2-B Tubed DAC/Arcam FMJ A32/Monitor Audio Silver S6 jd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
adamslim;256062 Wrote: > Your analogy is a bit disingenuous - these mods are available, so you > can test them, unlike your strings. I don't follow that statement at all. It was an analogy. I am _supposing_ that these bits of strings were sold by me, and then modded and re-sold by someone else.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread adamslim
seanadams;256048 Wrote: > Maybe. Or maybe based on what I know of the Transporter and of > electrical engineering, I can be quite confident in my position with > just the information at hand. > > Here's an analogy: Your analogy is a bit disingenuous - these mods are available, so you can test t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
adamslim;256062 Wrote: > > You may have better things to do, but Slim Devices, a company producing > an audiophile product, should have someone who investigates actual > competing and complementary products. And if someone makes a lacquered wood knob for $2000 to replace the aluminum one that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread tomjtx
Raj, I believe Sean was primarily responding to the other TP mod which uses 32 bit dacs when he disputed the claims their mods made. I think if you carefully reread his posts you will see that. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profil

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
rajacat;256057 Wrote: > > Do you think that you gaining customer confidence by demonstrating that > you don't have an open mind? I do have an open mind. I am quite open to evidence or explanation of these claims. None has been presented. > Have you listened to the ModWright Transporter? I dou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread jhm731
seanadams;255997 Wrote: > > But hey, maybe I don't know my head from a hole in the wall if you > think that's the case, go ahead and buy one of these modded TPs, and we > can have a listen, see what's in it, and test their claims. Maybe you don't I have no need for a stock or modded TP

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread rajacat
""You don't think I have better things to do? the only reason I post in threads like this is because I don't want my customers to be misled. But after a certain point, if someone insists on believing despite all evidence to the contrary, I give up! Do you think that you gaining customer confide

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
adamslim;256041 Wrote: > It's a good response, Sean, but I would have thought that you would be > interested in buying one and seeing if there is something in it. That > is the ultimate test. Maybe. Or maybe based on what I know of the Transporter and of electrical engineering, I can be quite c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread adamslim
seanadams;255997 Wrote: > But hey, maybe I don't know my head from a hole in the wall if you > think that's the case, go ahead and buy one of these modded TPs, and we > can have a listen, see what's in it, and test their claims. It's a good response, Sean, but I would have thought that you w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread alekz
OK, more examples. Compare Georgy Cziffra playing Liszt with anybody else. Compare Brandenburg Concertos played by Masaaki Suzuki and Ton Koopman or Harnoncourt. Compare any Russian music played by "Russians" (Russian speaking musicians studied in Russia or former USSR) and anybody else. Comp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread gharris999
And another thing... I'm no Buddhist, but lately I have been trying to think through a theory of what would constitute "mindful" listening. This isn't easy for me as I have trouble differentiating between "preference" and "judgment". When listening to music, I find that I have a hard time givin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread gharris999
I don't think you've misunderstood this at all. Yes, it's off topic, but I'll gladly pay the OT fine. EVERYBODY plays with a heavy musical accent (pun not intended.) It's call interpretation. With the exception of truly iconoclastic interpreters, interpretations tend to cluster together in gro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread seanadams
jhm731;255829 Wrote: > I don't accept anyone's claims at face value, including yours. That's great!... so what are you going to do about it? You could test the claims yourself. You could learn a bit about the theory. You don't have to be in the dark wondering whom to "believe". > Assuming the T

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using RG6 Satellite/Cable Coax for audio?

2008-01-08 Thread Phil Leigh
ar-t;255973 Wrote: > All RG-6 cables are made with copperweld, by definition. That is why > they are RG-6, and not RG-59, or something else. Period. > > > > That is because it is not an RG-6 cable! How hard is that to figure > out? > > > > > > > > for an alternative perspective... > > http:/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using RG6 Satellite/Cable Coax for audio?

2008-01-08 Thread opaqueice
ar-t;255973 Wrote: > All RG-6 cables are made with copperweld, by definition. That is why > they are RG-6, and not RG-59, or something else. Period. > >From http://bwccat.belden.com/ecat/pdf/1694A.pdf : Belden Wrote: > > > 1694A Coax - Low Loss Serial Digital Coax > > Description:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using RG6 Satellite/Cable Coax for audio?

2008-01-08 Thread ar-t
SuperQ;255690 Wrote: > Not all cables are made the same way. I'm sure some RG-6 cables are > crappy copper plated steel. All RG-6 cables are made with copperweld, by definition. That is why they are RG-6, and not RG-59, or something else. Period. SuperQ;255690 Wrote: > Blue jeans cables uses

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter playing 88 kHz files

2008-01-08 Thread avta
Will the Duet play 88.2? -- avta avta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40315 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread Shredder
FWIW, I heard the Modwright TP at R. Mtn. Audiofest and thought it was awesome. Very different and in my opinion superior to the standard TP.But, then again, I like a warm tube sound. -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http:/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread morris_minor
Isn't this a question of empathy and emotional connection with the music? A Russian may be more connected with Russian music, but surely not only Russians can be excellent interpreters of Russian music? Or have I mis-understood this somewhat off-topic discussion :o\ -- morris_minor ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread marlowe
A question - though this is getting of topic: Would a person born in the Ukraine - of whom one parent isn't Russian/Ukrainian - be able to play Russian music properly? (I have many more: Coul he play German music? Is Mozart's music German music? Is Schubert's? Can a jew play Schubert properly?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Doh! Now we need 24-bit/176.4kHz on the Transporter!

2008-01-08 Thread alekz
gharris999;255826 Wrote: > You sound authoritative on this point. Are you Russian? Jewish? Both? > In this case it does not matter. I'm talking about another language. To simplify: you understand what musician A is playing about and you don't understand what musician B is playing about. I can't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread Pat Farrell
rajacat wrote: > If tubes are just a way of changing the tone and adding distortion , > would rolling capacitors just be performing the same function? Perhaps with a talented designer. But the usual RLC filter can't be as complex as a nice tube and big honking transformer. Tube amps have been w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread Robin Bowes
jhm731 wrote: > Assuming the Transporter is perfect, and can't be improved upon is just > as crazy as any audiophile joke. Sean didn't say the Transporter is perfect and can't be improved upon. He said it couldn't be done by merely adding components - it would take a complete re-design of the PC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread bhobba
seanadams;255739 Wrote: > > Also, no amount of skill could convert Transporter's digital audio path > to 32-bit, unless you redesigned nearly the entire product from scratch. > I.e., it is utterly impossible to do it by soldering on some components, > regardless of skill level. I could not do it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 6moons preview ModWright Transporter

2008-01-08 Thread bhobba
First I want to make it clear I am not a tube fan. To me it is fragile, expensive, old tech, whose day is long past. IMHO, equally good results can be achieved with solid state at a cheaper price. Pat Farrell;255799 Wrote: > seanadams wrote:[color=blue] > But tube gear does not reproduce what