Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Swan Multimedia Speakers on Sale

2008-04-08 Thread twylie
thanks for the post. I am trying to find some smallish powered speakers for a client and the Audioengine A2s were about to get ordered. Given that his use will be background music, the 1080s should do well for him. He's heard the original M200 I have and liked the sound. -- twylie Thecus N5

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Recommendation for digital cable -BNC - Spdif

2008-04-08 Thread tricka
Hi Everyone Anyone recommend a digital cable (BNC (SB3) - XLR (Dac))? many Thanks Andy -- tricka SB3 - Lavry AD10 - 6CLC Spud/eAR 200 Hawthorne SSI Duet OB MAC cables (power/IC's/ speaker) Furutech Power conditioner Headphone adapter for 6 CLC Sud and AKG 701's "A Spoonful of Slow..." --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Swan Multimedia Speakers on Sale

2008-04-08 Thread robbin
The Audio Insider has several Swan Multimedia speakers on sale this month including the M200MkII. http://theaudioinsider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=714&sid=1f3fdfaaf89225e5b67d837ec9440b8b -- robbin robbin's Profile: http:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet data format change

2008-04-08 Thread Alex Peychev
Hello, I've tried this on another thread but it didn’t work. Is there an easy way changing the FPLD data format output to the DAC from I2S to MSB (left justified)? I thought it is possible since the Transporter uses MSB to the AKM DAC. I’d appreciate it very much! Thanks! Alex -- Alex P

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;289223 Wrote: > Hmm, lets see, if -144dB is not audible (but yet we can hear it) so > maybe it's not actually -144dB. > > > Either that or you have missed something. If you have a point, make it. You're just making yourself look foolish saying the same empty things over and over

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;289168 Wrote: > Therefore they are not audible, and if you think otherwise, you're > wrong. Either that or you have missed something. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;289168 Wrote: > > You can make all the vague pronouncements you like, but -144db > distortion is not audible, and the errors introduced by attenuating a > 24 bit signal are always -144db down from max level. Therefore they > are not audible, and if you think otherwise, you're wrong.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread penda
bhaagensen;289110 Wrote: > Did you have a look at the irblaster plugin. That should work with the > Controller and SB3 (but not with the Receiver). I suppose that could be made to work but it's messy. I believe the controller has IR so surely it's just a bit of software that's needed. If it work

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:Transporter and low level hum

2008-04-08 Thread truckfighters
hi there, I just had the same issue, but this came a few days ago. one 1/2 years before the transporter was always dead quite, no hum. I found the problem: the RCA sockets, which are soldered to the mainboard had become loose on the board, in fact the ground-pin soldering was broken. I had some

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
darrenyeats;289143 Wrote: > > Assuming an audible difference did exist between firmware > versions...the difference could have been due to a more significant > miscalculation instead of just a rounding error. Yes, that's of course true, and I made clear before that I do not - and cannot - know

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;289120 Wrote: > I already did: you didn't enjoy your breakfast that morning. > > It's very, very simple - if you take a 24 bit binary number and divide > it by some factor, the error you make will be in the "25th" bit (if you > round properly). If you truncate rather than rounding, th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread darrenyeats
There is one possible explanation (other than Patrick's breakfast). Assuming an audible difference did exist between firmware versions...the difference could have been due to a more significant miscalculation instead of a just a rounding error. The only people who might know this - and it's not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter of SB3

2008-04-08 Thread harmonic
To whom it may concern. A fanatic is someone who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject. (Quot Winston Churchill) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;289100 Wrote: > Oh try harder! I'm asking to consider the 'problem' and come up with a > reason why someone might be able to hear rounding at the 24-bit in a > digital volume control (like the SB3 has) I already did: you didn't enjoy your breakfast that morning. It's very, very s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread bhaagensen
penda;288980 Wrote: > The inability to directly control my amps volume (don't want to control > any other function on the amp) is the only thing holding me back buying > a controller. I feed the output of my SB3 into my DAC & control the SB3 > & Amp with a Harmony remote. I do not use (nor want t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;289078 Wrote: > Well, since I've eliminated acoustics as an explanation, that leaves > psychology. Without data on what you had for breakfast that morning I > can't comment further. Bad science. You have dismissed the observation that doesn't agree with your theory and stuck to your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;289065 Wrote: > The problem that your 'theories' don't agree with the reality. Come on, > keep up! You're asking me to explain why you think you can hear signal at -144db? I'm a physicist, not a psychologist. > That's not a claim, that's an observation! Observations of what >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter of SB3

2008-04-08 Thread seanadams
Rodney_Gold;289072 Wrote: > To the average audiophile with highish end equipment , going to , lets > say, a decent dac.. What decent DAC? IMHO Transporter is not merely decent, but in fact the best DAC on the market... so my recommendation is to use its internal DAC and circumvent S/PDIF alt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter of SB3

2008-04-08 Thread Rodney_Gold
seanadams;288609 Wrote: > > Audible to whom? To the average audiophile with highish end equipment , going to , lets say, a decent dac.. IE as the OP asked , would it be a worthwhile excercise to buy a TP over a SB3 just for the better digital output of the TP... ? To me , with various dacs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;289055 Wrote: > What problem? The problem that your 'theories' don't agree with the reality. Come on, keep up! opaqueice;289055 Wrote: > How about this one: That's not a claim, that's an observation! Observations of what actually happens are quite useful in most areas of science.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;289027 Wrote: > Ah right, I guess you are too lazy or too closed minded to apply > yourself to the problem then? What problem? > I don't think I've made any claims here - it was you that made all the > claims! How about this one: Patrick Dixon;288599 Wrote: > > I could hear the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread penda
darrenyeats;289032 Wrote: > I'm still not sure whether you have an integrated. :) > > Replay gain is a bit different - it is gain. Digital volume control is > attenuation. You can never get clipping or compression with a digital > volume control so it would be a shame to miss its benefits becaus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Duet w/Benchmark dac1 vs Transpoter?

2008-04-08 Thread Pat Farrell
agentsmith wrote: > Was it a night and day difference? Or are you selling your DAC1 since > now you basically have two DACs? May be a little bit of both? The difference was very small. Both sounded great. I like the Transporter's dual displays, which is weird, because I also like the Receivers

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread darrenyeats
penda;289021 Wrote: > Thanks for the reply but I want the signal as it was intended to be - I > don't use replay gain either. I'm still not sure whether you have an integrated. :) Replay gain is a bit different - it is gain. Digital volume control is attenuation. You can never get clipping or co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;289017 Wrote: > Translation: You're right, but I make money off people I convince > otherwise and so I have nothing to say. > > OK. I just hope you don't make any of the ridiculous claims you made > in this thread in your advertising literature. You might find this > link interestin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
Phil Leigh;289016 Wrote: > Not wishing to pour petrol everywhere...but I'm pretty sure I can't hear > anything -144dB down! > Surely that is way below the noise floor of any outboard gear? I don't > know many amps with an SNR much above 110dB.. It's not just below the electronic noise floor, it'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread penda
darrenyeats;288998 Wrote: > Do you have an integrated amp? If you can't remove (or bypass) the > preamp then the digital volume control has nothing to contribute > SQ-wise. If you can, then using the digital volume control might allow > an overall improvement by removing a stage from the signal p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Phil Leigh
Not wishing to pour petrol everywhere...but I'm pretty sure I can't hear anything -144dB down! Surely that is way below the noise floor of any outboard gear? I don't know many amps with an SNR much above 110dB.. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;289005 Wrote: > You put up the $1M and I'll show you. Until then do your own work. Translation: You're right, but I make money off people I convince otherwise and so I have nothing to say. OK. I just hope you don't make any of the ridiculous claims you made in this thread in yo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;289000 Wrote: > > I notice you haven't responded substantively even once. You've never > challenged anything specific in my analysis, just made vague assertions > and did your best to sow audio FUD. Why don't you tell us why you think > 24-bit rounding errors aren't 144db down? Or w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;288925 Wrote: > > You believe that -144dB is not audible. I don't just believe it, I presented an argument proving it. The argument could be wrong - maybe I made a mistake, maybe I assumed something invalid - but if so, please show me where. Note that my analysis is fully consis

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread darrenyeats
penda;288980 Wrote: > The inability to directly control my amps volume (don't want to control > any other function on the amp) is the only thing holding me back buying > a controller. I feed the output of my SB3 into my DAC & control the SB3 > & Amp with a Harmony remote. I do not use (nor want t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread penda
The inability to directly control my amps volume (don't want to control any other function on the amp) is the only thing holding me back buying a controller. I feed the output of my SB3 into my DAC & control the SB3 & Amp with a Harmony remote. I do not use (nor want to use) digital volume control

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II

2008-04-08 Thread truckfighters
in my experience, cables CAN make a difference - although it is not huge. other parts within the equipent (like the source or speakers) have a greater impact... just try and find out for yourself... -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-04-08 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;288722 Wrote: > I think you're missing the point here, Patrick. > > Take a typical home stereo system and crank the volume to max. > According to my estimate, the effects on SPL of a distortion component > at -144db are smaller than the effects on SPL due to random Brownian > motion