Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread iPhone
george_k;291525 Wrote: > Specs aside, if you haven't heard the 703's in person you'd be surprised > to hear how much bass they produce. At moderately loud volume (not at or > near rock concert levels) they rattle my entire apartment as well as the > adjacent apartments around me. Of course the Ma

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread iPhone
GuyDebord;291483 Wrote: > Iphone, how long do your tubes last? I treat my beloved Valvo's E188CC's > from my preamp stage like jewels, If I forget to turn them off one > night, the next day I feel bad Off the subject, but they last until they need replaced (which is my personal inside joke).

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread agentsmith
JJZolx;291542 Wrote: > Does your wife not like music? Turn the system on, tune into her > favorite radio station, tell her to adjust the volume as she likes. Unfortunately, wife is allergic to music. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread JJZolx
Does your wife not like music? Turn the system on, tune into her favorite radio station, tell her to adjust the volume as she likes. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread agentsmith
Thanks all. These advices sound quite sensible. I think I will just let the amp settle in by itself in its intended environment. I also was sceptical in burning in amplifiers, but this Naim pair does sound very hard edged in the first couple of days and is improving. -- agentsmith System 1:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question re 24/96 Rez Files & Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread ted_b
lstern;291295 Wrote: > Thanks for your feedback. > > I have checked the files on the TP and they are shown as 88.2 files. > > Thanks again. I assume the file info is static; i.e what it was ripped at, not what it is being streamed or processed at. I asked Sean about this (in reference to bei

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread george_k
iPhone;291493 Wrote: > f the 703 have a weakness, it is the mini monitor size 6.5 inch woofer > trying to get down to the 703s 30Hz rating. Yes there are two which > equals a little more then an 8 inch woofer while doubling unnecessary > driver interaction (they only did it so they could claim a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2008-04-14 Thread Kris
I do, really sick at the moment.. will post some thoughts later -- Kris Kris's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I want it bit-perfect

2008-04-14 Thread NewBuyer
Phil Leigh;291331 Wrote: > Really? - how does that work... > surely at any volume the output is always sent as 24-bits? seanadams;75489 Wrote: > ...You will get 16 bits of output: > > - When you are playing 16-bit WAV/FLAC files at 100% volume > > You will get more than 16 bits: > > - When p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I want it bit-perfect

2008-04-14 Thread Timothy Stockman
NewBuyer;291108 Wrote: > Except at full digital volume (e.g. 100 on the SB3), at which it outputs > at 16 bit - is that correct? Remember that the most significant bits don't change position in the S/PDIF stream, regardless of whether its 16 bits, 20 bits or 24 bits. Depending on how one reads t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread iPhone
george_k;291077 Wrote: > I ordered a transporter and spent the better part of the weekend > listening and comparing it to my SB3. For most of my music I could hear > no real difference. With other, better recorded, music the transporter > sounded a little more resolved and clear. > > I really li

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread GuyDebord
iPhone;291405 Wrote: > My amps do not have an Off switch and since I listen to over 10 hours > of music a day, I never shut my tube pre-amp off. > > Iphone, how long do your tubes last? I treat my beloved Valvo's E188CC's from my preamp stage like jewels, If I forget to turn them off one nigh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Bowes
opaqueice wrote: > Robin Bowes;291429 Wrote: >> Just because *you* don't hear any difference doesn't mean that >> *everyone >> else* can't hear any difference too. >> >> Remember, everyones' ears are different. What you hear is not the same >> >> as what I or anyone else hears. >> > > Calm down!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread opaqueice
Robin Bowes;291429 Wrote: > > Just because *you* don't hear any difference doesn't mean that > *everyone > else* can't hear any difference too. > > Remember, everyones' ears are different. What you hear is not the same > > as what I or anyone else hears. > Calm down! I didn't say anything

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Bowes
gharris999 wrote: > I'll take the ability to enjoy the joie de vivre of a > performance over the ability to identify where the 2nd oboe goes flat > in the 3rd measure any day. +1 !!! I used to play guitar in a variety of bands and work as a Sound Engineer. I *still* find it hard to be a "punter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread gharris999
george_k;291404 Wrote: > I guess my ears aren't trained enough. What's the emoti-icon for barely concealed, gentle scarcasam? ;-) It sounds like the transporter just isn't doing it for you. There's no shame in that, and that's what the return policy is for. It is a lot of money for a product i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Duet + DAC versus Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread HectorHughMunro
I would suggest the Duet. I would wonder whether there is an hardware update in the pipeline that will make the Squeezeboxes 'N' compliant and when I bought mine, I avoided the Transporter for that reason. The Duet Receiver is cheap and if they do go 'N' compliant, swapping it out or upgrading t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Bowes
opaqueice wrote: > george_k;291077 Wrote: >> Anybody share any similar experience? > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 Just because *you* don't hear any difference doesn't mean that *everyone else* can't hear any difference too. Remember, everyones' ears are different. W

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question re 24/96 Rez Files & Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread amcluesent
>TP firmware version shown as 36.< IIRC, 88.2Khz will be resampled using a basic decimation algorithm. FW40 is required to play 88.2Khz unmolested. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread opaqueice
george_k;291077 Wrote: > Anybody share any similar experience? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this threa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread iPhone
agentsmith;291339 Wrote: > > 1. Is this an effective way? > 2. Will it hurt my equipment? > 3. What volume should I feed it, if I crank it to max volume will it > burn out the amp? Or will it cause a fire hazard? > 4. How long can I do it continuously without hurting the amp? > > This seems li

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread tomjtx
twylie;291399 Wrote: > wire one of the speakers out of phase, set them facing each other about > a foot apart and play mono white noise through the system. If you need > to, you can throw a blanket or quilt over the speakers to help deaden > the noise, but if the drivers are well matched, they s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread george_k
I plugged in my headphones last night and did another comparison. I figured that if I cut the room and speakers out of the equation it would be easier to hear a difference. I spent about 15-20 minutes listening some of the same songs as a few nights before. Again, I couldn't really hear a differen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread twylie
wire one of the speakers out of phase, set them facing each other about a foot apart and play mono white noise through the system. If you need to, you can throw a blanket or quilt over the speakers to help deaden the noise, but if the drivers are well matched, they should come close to canceling

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2008-04-14 Thread mr_bill
Kris, Any updates to share? Thanks, Bill -- mr_bill mr_bill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6737 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 __

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry DA10 DAC: Subjective Impressions and Listening Tests (Long)

2008-04-14 Thread COOLGUY
I agree absolutely with the comparison of Lavry and BM... As per the main topic: I did the same comparison, lavry vs. SB3 analog out, and I find the difference quite significant in favour of the lavry. I also suggest one thing: the Lavry is a preamp as well, with no way to bypass the preamp, no f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread GuyDebord
agentsmith;291356 Wrote: > LOL how true (re buyer's remorse) > > Unfortunately wife doesnt work and just stays home and bosses me around > lol. you could send her to your in-laws? Just enjoy the "burning" its part of the process, why accelerate it? -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread agentsmith
pfarrell;291354 Wrote: > agentsmith wrote: > > Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast > it > > 24/7. > > So turn it up when you both go to work. > > Not sure that burn in is real, but it does help get past buyer's > remorse. > > Pat > > -- > Pat Farrell > http:/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread Pat Farrell
agentsmith wrote: > Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast it > 24/7. So turn it up when you both go to work. Not sure that burn in is real, but it does help get past buyer's remorse. Pat -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread agentsmith
adamslim;291344 Wrote: > I've never been a great believer in burn-in, although my speakers are > sounding much better now than when I first got them - unless it's just > me getting accustomed to them... > > Anyway, it sounds like you have a nice system so why not just use it as > normal (maybe l

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread adamslim
I've never been a great believer in burn-in, although my speakers are sounding much better now than when I first got them - unless it's just me getting accustomed to them... Anyway, it sounds like you have a nice system so why not just use it as normal (maybe leave the amps on 24/7) and enjoy it?

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load

2008-04-14 Thread agentsmith
Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast it 24/7. Some Naim head who seems to be in the know told me to buy a pair 20W/8 Ohm resister and connect the two ends to the +ve and -ve of both the left and right channel and play music on it 24/7 1. Is this an effective way?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I want it bit-perfect

2008-04-14 Thread Anne
Its an immense task to keep things simple. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 > Stereovox XV2 > Bryston B100-DA SST > Carlsson OA50.2 > Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 Vi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread gharris999
No argument with that statement. Least-worst tempering (for Liszt and later) is equal temperament. Well-temperament variants (all keys playable) are good for Bach & Rameau. Meantone is good for anything 15th through 17th century. All are fun to tune and to listen to in context. And then there

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread agentsmith
darrenyeats;291307 Wrote: > I'm not saying you have to agree with anyone...I'm just querying that > you agree with Robin. :) > > I tend more toward the latter view (YMMV etc). > Darren Like your said, YMMV. In my case, I went from not being able to tell between an SB2 nude to a SB2-Benchmark D

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I want it bit-perfect

2008-04-14 Thread Phil Leigh
NewBuyer;291108 Wrote: > Except at full digital volume (e.g. 100 on the SB3), at which it outputs > at 16 bit - is that correct? Really? - how does that work... surely at any volume the output is always sent as 24-bits? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/v

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Bowes
darrenyeats wrote: > agentsmith;291301 Wrote: >> I agree with the previous poster. > I'm not saying you have to agree with anyone...I'm just querying that > you agree with Robin. :) > agentsmith;291301 Wrote: >> the differences between sources went from almost non-existent to >> glaringly obvious

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] You can tune a piano but you can't tune a fish

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Bowes
Pat Farrell wrote: > gharris999 wrote: >> seanadams;291122 Wrote: >>> I've never tuned a piano but... doesn't it rely on lower frequency >>> hearing - the beat tone between the fork and the instrument? >> This is where the black-art stuff comes in, and it's a matter of taste > > I don't do it,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] You can tune a piano but you can't tune a fish

2008-04-14 Thread Pat Farrell
gharris999 wrote: > seanadams;291122 Wrote: >> I've never tuned a piano but... doesn't it rely on lower frequency >> hearing - the beat tone between the fork and the instrument? > > This is where the black-art stuff comes in, and it's a matter of taste I don't do it, but every since Well-Temp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread darrenyeats
agentsmith;291301 Wrote: > I agree with the previous poster. I'm not saying you have to agree with anyone...I'm just querying that you agree with Robin. :) agentsmith;291301 Wrote: > > the differences between sources went from almost non-existent to > glaringly obvious. The SB3 by itself reall

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread gharris999
seanadams;291122 Wrote: > OT: > > I've never tuned a piano but... doesn't it rely on lower frequency > hearing - the beat tone between the fork and the instrument? Yep. Except sometimes you listen for beats between upper partials rather than the fundamentals. Typically, you'll be listening to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread agentsmith
I agree with the previous poster. It very much depend on what the rest of your system is. I just upgraded from Naim integrated to Naim seperates, and the differences between sources went from almost non-existant to glaringly obvious. Now that I have sold my Benchmark DAC1 I really miss it. The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question re 24/96 Rez Files & Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread lstern
Thanks for your feedback. With regard to 24/88.2 files, I have downloaded 88.2 Linn Mozart files that play without problem. I have checked the files on the TP and they are shown as 88.2 files. I should mention that I am running SC 7(build March 13)on an Infrant NAS. In SC, TP firmware version sho

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I want it bit-perfect

2008-04-14 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;291177 Wrote: > So I guess when a horn and an oboe play together, you can't hear the > oboe 'cos the horn is louder? What an odd thing to say. > Plus, of course, that noise is cumulative, so even if the noise was the > same character, you would have more of it. You're aware of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Bowes
darrenyeats wrote: > Robin Bowes;291195 Wrote: >> Perhaps you were expecting too much? Difference between digital sources >> >> really are minimal. >> >> If you're happy with the SB3 then rejoice - you've saved yourself a >> shed-load of cash, so you can buy more music! >> R. > Robin, > I've not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread darrenyeats
Robin Bowes;291195 Wrote: > > Perhaps you were expecting too much? Difference between digital sources > > really are minimal. > > If you're happy with the SB3 then rejoice - you've saved yourself a > shed-load of cash, so you can buy more music! > R. Robin, I've not compared an SB3 and Transp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity

2008-04-14 Thread funkstar
he's a loony! I have no idea about high end audio like that, it's wy above anything I could imagine ever being able to afford or appreciate. However, it does all _look_ amazing. I love the Electron Luv stuff, whatever it is. It's all verging on Steampunk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question re 24/96 Rez Files & Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread Teus de Jong
lstern;290941 Wrote: > I have a new Transporter (firmware v36 & SC 7.0) and have downloades > some high resolution Linn files. I have my TP connected to my AV Pro > Preamp via both balanced analogue and digital RCA. The 24/96 files play > thru both the balanced TP analogue output and the digital

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Not impressed with the Transporter

2008-04-14 Thread Robin Bowes
george_k wrote: > I ordered a transporter and spent the better part of the weekend > listening and comparing it to my SB3. For most of my music I could hear > no real difference. With other, better recorded, music the transporter > sounded a little more resolved and clear. What source material are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity

2008-04-14 Thread morris_minor
opaqueice;291074 Wrote: > I've seen my share of ansurd audio systems, but this one takes the cake. > > > No, that's too mild: it utterly obliterates them all. > > http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10834 Couldn't see a Squeezebox in amongst the kit :0) But I sure hop

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I want it bit-perfect

2008-04-14 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;291029 Wrote: > The reason is that the noise level of the DAC is well above the rounding > errors. So all 'noise' is the same then? (Remember that one man's music is another man's noise). So I guess when a horn and an oboe play together, you can't hear the oboe 'cos the horn is loude

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity

2008-04-14 Thread harmonic
Have a look at jean yves system http://www.stereotimes.com/showreportces05page2.shtml http://www.aca.gr/pop_jyk.htm -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread