Thanks for the reply.
I must admit that my knowledge in amps etc. is not as good as I would
wish for.
I have tried to find out about the Lyngdorf's:
- input sensitivity (less than 1.5V (less than 1V even better)
- input impedance. (probably no lower than 10K and better if higher)
- whether it
"Harebrained"?! This sure ain't about me! :-} It is just that andyg's
argument implying that "if same bits come through it should sound the
same" seemed to me rather limited, and since we enjoy a real priviledge
of comunication with the manufacturers here (honestly, many thanks for
that), I hoped
The passing of DTS or HDCD confirms bit-integrity.
7.3 sounds identical to me.
I noticed that a recent 7.3 nightly zapped my settings - the player
audio settings that might cause the effect described could be a
combination of audio level fixed+analogue attenuation+replaygain
(bitrate limiting de
It is possible that the original switch was introducing noise or
artefacts into the data stream. Might even be the wall-wart switch mode
power supply because the one supplied with the Linksys is certainly more
substantial in build.
Thanks for all the suggestions from list members
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So there must be something very wrong with your original switch, if your
new router sounds significantly better.
Regarding WAV sounding better than FLAC, this has been discussed
before. The only explanation that is plausible is that when the SB3
natively decodes the FLAC, the act itself causes s
Ok...this is what I have found with a couple of changes
1. Changed crossover to straight thru cable on router. No difference in
sound quality. I need crossover when connecting direct from NAS to SB
anyway, so not musch choice if I choose to go direct
2. Changed to Linksys Etherfast router. Very
Gazjam;371787 Wrote:
>
> He made the damn thing.
>
> Good enough for me.
> ...and good enough here.
I'm not always right, but I'm not going to dignify every (possibly
harebrained) idea with "possible explanations". Just do some reasonable
tests so we've got something to go on.
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seanadams;371738 Wrote:
> Well I guess that settles it then.
It does for him.
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Jim
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You are indeed working backwards. The critical interface is amp and
speakers. The transporter specs are pretty standard for a digital
source (2-3V output depending on unbalanced or balanced transmission
and benign impedance of around 100 ohm). Because you don't mention a
preamp I'll assume you pla
good thinking Chris,
I'm just grateful the Slimdevices guys are posting on here, they
obviously believe in their product. For what its worth, I've asked Sean
Adams (and saw other folk asking him) questions about the SB and I can
tell its a no BS "cut to the chase" kind of attitude he's got.
I wa
My speakers are DLS R66
(http://www.dls.se/en/home/prod.html?produkt=en_407) which are very
good speakers.
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seanadams;371738 Wrote:
> Well I guess that settles it then.
Not at all .
Is it possible to select source via the settings menu on 7.3 as you can
on 7.2.1 ?
If so, I can set up my laptop as a wired (to router) source on my
network and copy across some files into a music directory.
I can then
misterburns;371769 Wrote:
> Very soon my Logitech Transporter will arrive, and I am not sure which
> amplifier would be the best for this...
>
> I often see the combination of the Logitech Transporter and Lyngdorf
> SDA2175 (power amp).
>
> What do you guys recommend?
It depends on the speake
Very soon my Logitech Transporter will arrive, and I am not sure which
amplifier would be the best for this...
I often see the combination of the Logitech Transporter and Lyngdorf
SDA2175 (power amp).
What do you guys recommend?
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Stratmangler;371735 Wrote:
> No imagination being used at this end Sean. My ears tell me something
> ain't right.
>
>
> Chris
Hey Chris. I think what everybody is saying is that you really need to
go over your setting again with a fine tooth comb. Sean and others are
saying that the firmware a
andyg;371666 Wrote:
> Absolutely, if you can play AC3 or DTS files then nothing has changed.
Real-world example: I recently had to buy a new computer and sprung for
one with on-board S/PDIF jacks, assuming that would allow me to break up
some single-track DTS albums into proper tracks.
I connec
Gazjam;371731 Wrote:
> The new Dacs pretty special isn't it?
>
> Gaz.
I haven't had Mod21 done yet - can't bear to part with the little box,
and Stan seems rather busy at the moment.
What's the acid test? A piano chord decaying with the dampers off -
quiet amazing!
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Labarum
Brian
Beresf
seanadams;371694 Wrote:
> I would suspect this is claim is driven by the vastly more effective
> power of the imagination.
>
No imagination being used at this end Sean. My ears tell me something
ain't right.
Chris
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Stratmangler;371735 Wrote:
> No imagination being used at this end Sean. My ears tell me something
> ain't right.
>
>
> Chris
Well I guess that settles it then.
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Labarum;371730 Wrote:
> OK Gazjam.
>
> But I hear no difference - with the same external DAC.
No probs Labarum,
I'm going to reinstall 7.3 tommorow and have a re-listen.
Could be nothing I'm sure.
The new Dacs pretty special isn't it?
Gaz.
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Gazjam;371727 Wrote:
> Interesting though that other folk heard it as well?
>
> I DO trust my ears by the way. ;)
>
>
> Thanks.
OK Gazjam.
But I hear no difference - with the same external DAC.
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Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German
Tower L
which wallpaper sounds best on the controller, the black background i
suppose (runs for the hills and hides..)
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seanadams;371694 Wrote:
> I can tell you that any difference in timing would be immeasurable. As
> for data integrity, if there's a problem we're not aware of it, and
> it's something we do test.
>
> I would suspect this is claim is driven by the vastly more effective
> power of the imagination.
Mnyb;371717 Wrote:
> which wallpaper sounds best on the controller, the black background i
> suppose (runs for the hills and hides..)
Don't need wallpaper this time of year - just the snow screensaver.
If your system is good enough (cost a lot) you can hear each snow flake
hit the ground.
(Lab
seanadams;371694 Wrote:
> I would suspect this is claim is driven by the vastly more effective
> power of the imagination.
>
Agreed. I hear no difference.
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Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German
Tower Loudspeakers.
FLAC through Foobar, XP and
Gazjam;371684 Wrote:
> Hi OP here
>
> can any Slimdevices guys RULE OUT the fact that different firmware can
> affect the SPDIF out signal?
>
I can tell you that any difference in jitter would be immeasurable. As
for data integrity, if there's a problem we're not aware of it, and
it's some
pryamomimo;371649 Wrote:
>
>
> To sum it up, I'd be surprised if a firmware update could affect ANY
> characteristics of SB or DUET S/PDIF out, but I guess only its
> designers can rule out this possibility completely.
Hi OP here
can any Slimdevices guys RULE OUT the fact that different f
Just half an hour ago I upgraded Squeezecentre to 7.3.
On restarting my SB 3 it upgraded the firmware.
I hear no difference.
I use a Beresford DAC connected to the SB with a high quality digital
RCA lead.
I had to reinstall Alien BBC, but all else survived the upgrade.
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Brian
Be
Absolutely, if you can play AC3 or DTS files then nothing has changed.
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OK, maybe this is a dumb question, but wouldn't attempting to play back
a DTS track be a pretty good test of whether or not the signal is being
degraded or fussed with somewhere along the line?
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atrocity's Profi
Phil Leigh;371627 Wrote:
> Until the bitstream hits the internals of a DAC or ASRC there are no
> "temporal characteristics"...just the bits (hopefully the right bits)
> and a clock - which is probably slightly "wrong" (jittery). What
> happens in the DAC is the important part. Bitstream integrit
pryamomimo;371603 Wrote:
> This would confirm only that no additional audio data modification is
> involved, but would not reflect any differences in temporal
> characteristics of digital data stream (which many believe account for
> differences in sound signatures of different modern digital
> t
My 7.3 sounds the same as the 7.2.1. But I had to (re)modify all my
settings, as they were crushed during the version update...
(this is really a recurrent problem, btw)
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SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus
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Check all your settings, I have noted via numerous betas, that settings
disapear all the time especially "fixed volume" after some updates it
has been very low in volume :) I remembered to simply put vol back to
100% and run to the web UI and set it to fixed.
You can disable all transcoding to.
c
kphinney;371599 Wrote:
> I applied the 7.2 - 7.3 sw and firmware update and now my optical-out
> doesn't turn off when the unit is powered down. My DAC is triggered by
> an optical signal so now it's on all of the time also.
I had that problem with 7.2.1 but it has corrected itself with 7.3.
Yo
andyg;371506 Wrote:
> This would be the best way to confirm any change:
>
> Record the same track from the digital output at full volume from both
> firmware 113 (7.2.1) and 120 (7.3). Compare the two in an audio
> editor. Do you see any differences?
>
> You can see the changes in firmware 12
I applied the 7.2 - 7.3 sw and firmware update and now my optical-out
doesn't turn off when the unit is powered down. My DAC is triggered by
an optical signal so now it's on all of the time also.
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SB3 (x2) and Transporter
Rotel RCD-1070
CIAudio DVA-2 w/ VAC-1 PS
JoLida 102B
Omega
pfarrell;370893 Wrote:
> Pete Fowler wrote:
> > http://www.jitter.de/english/engc_navfr.html
>
> Thanks for the link
>
> > There is no substitute for digging out the information on your own.
> > Don't make that someone else's problem - go find it for yourself.
>
> I don't get why when I ask fo
This would be the best way to confirm any change:
Record the same track from the digital output at full volume from both
firmware 113 (7.2.1) and 120 (7.3). Compare the two in an audio
editor. Do you see any differences?
You can see the changes in firmware 120 here:
http://svn.slimdevices.com/
Thanks for the replies guys,
I never thought to mention the firmware update that happened when I
installed SC.
Interesting one this
I heard some "flat earth" rumblings before about firwre sound
quality.never really gave it much attention.
Hmnn...
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Gazjam
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before we get into a "firmware 15" debate, perhaps someone could explain
the nature of the firmware changes from 113 to 120?
Is there anything that could explain this?
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontron
Robin Bowes;371485 Wrote:
> Stratmangler wrote:
> > You're not imagining it - I found that the top end is more
> pronounced
> > and mechanical sounding.
> >
> > This could in turn affect the attack on the bottom end.
> >
> > I went back to 7.2.1 within a half hour.
>
> Hmmm, smells like an aud
Stratmangler wrote:
> You're not imagining it - I found that the top end is more pronounced
> and mechanical sounding.
>
> This could in turn affect the attack on the bottom end.
>
> I went back to 7.2.1 within a half hour.
Hmmm, smells like an audio settings problem.
The version of the server
You're not imagining it - I found that the top end is more pronounced
and mechanical sounding.
This could in turn affect the attack on the bottom end.
I went back to 7.2.1 within a half hour.
Chris:(
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Str
Installed the latest version, updated plugins etc and settled down to
listen last night.
The sound was different.?
Nothing else had changed, but something had happened. It was subtle and
I'm open to the possibility it might be in my head LOL but it was the
same again this morning.
Reinstall
pfarrell;371175 Wrote:
> Patrick Dixon wrote:
> > You completely missing the point - to say that one amp is better
> > because it has a SNR of 103dB rather than 100dB is nonsensical
> because
> > it depends not only on the level of noise but it's character too.
> The
> > same goes for jitter.
>
NewBuyer;371306 Wrote:
>
> Also, I've read forum posts from certain DAC engineers saying that some
> types of jitter might actually be euphonic. This has always seemed
> strange to me, that noise in a digital interface could ever result in
> such an effect. So has anybody ever actually identif
If somebody wants to compare source and DAC analog outputs for jitter
effects, I wonder how they could know if it really was differences from
jitter they were hearing (vs. differences due to the different device
output stages and other internal design differences)...
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