Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-22 Thread Themis
I believe jitter in itself has no sound. Imho, it simply makes other distortions (approximations in the D/A process) sound different, become more apparent. ;) This is probably the reason why reclocking was introduced in the first place. -- Themis SBT - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and S

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-22 Thread Andy8421
There is a paper around somewhere (I searched but couldn't find it again), that explains how jitter can be introduced into a S/PDIF bitstream by limiting the frequency response of the pulse detection circuity at the front end of the S/PDIF receiver chain. From what I recall, the cause was the bip

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread Andy8421
I would add to comments about set up issues. Getting the transition right from mains to sub without a nasty hump or large dip in the frequency response is a huge challenge. I have fiddled around for days to get my sub / main combo to work well, and I am still not 100% happy wit it. I would not r

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread esbrewer
The biggest advantage I have found to using a sub is you have greater flexibility in placing discrete LF drivers in a location where they will best interact with the room. The trade off is increased complexity - and the subsequent experimentation with (and obsession with?) measurement and adjustm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread mswlogo
ghostrider;549854 Wrote: > Sorry I didn't post more detailed info. My speakers are floorstanders, > Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1's. They are 4-way, with 2 carbon fiber > midrange drivers that roll off at about 150hz. The woofer takes over > there down to -3db at 34hz according to the specs. I'm dr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread ghostrider
I appreciate all of the comments and experiences. I should have positioned my original question more as a theoretical exercise. My friend quotes Floyd Toole religiously and the mantra he spouts is that you can never have a system that reaches its full potential unless you have at least one subwoof

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread ralphpnj
ghostrider;549854 Wrote: > One of the issues I'm concerned with is stereo bass. Does the fact that > most of the bass is coming through a dedicated subwoofer produce an > altered soundstage? Bass, especially the low bass handled by most high quality subwoofers (and you will need very high qualit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread ghostrider
Sorry I didn't post more detailed info. My speakers are floorstanders, Anthony Gallo Reference 3.1's. They are 4-way, with 2 carbon fiber midrange drivers that roll off at about 150hz. The woofer takes over there down to -3db at 34hz according to the specs. I'm driving the speakers with an NHT amp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread htrd
ghostrider;549811 Wrote: > am happy with the bass performance Great. I suggest you stop there, because... ghostrider;549811 Wrote: > friends insist that the quality of my system would improve with the > addition of a subwoofer ...it definitely could improve, but... ghostrider;549811 Wrote:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the Transporter anyway?

2010-05-22 Thread garym
darrenyeats;549805 Wrote: > Ah, but those guys don't call themselves "audiophiles". That's what > makes this forum surprising for some. LOL. True, and for good or bad, the term audiophile has taken on negative connotations in many circles. My interpretation of the word is certainly different now

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume controlS questions???

2010-05-22 Thread mswlogo
Ikabob;549831 Wrote: > So, totally bypass the pre-amp. That is an option I never thought > about. I'll give that a thought. But I have an am/fm radio into pre- > amp to amp...and a DVD player. Use the preamp for daily adjustment. Leave touch on Max. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter/DuetCo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread ralphpnj
I have two stereo systems and one home theater system, all with subwoofers. In each system the subwoofer is at least as good as the main speakers, if not better than the speakers. Having a good quality sub is essential to getting the sound of the bass from the sub properly integrated with the sou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread DCtoDaylight
I run a 4.1 system in my living room, dropping to 2.1 when listening to stereo... You mention your speakers are rated to 22Hz, but don't give too many details. By the low end, I'd expect you've got floorstanders? I run a satellite/sub type system, with B&W 705's. I find that taking the lowest o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume controlS questions???

2010-05-22 Thread Ikabob
So, totally bypass the pre-amp. That is an option I never thought about. I'll give that a thought. But I have an am/fm radio into pre- amp to amp...and a DVD player. -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.c

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1

2010-05-22 Thread ghostrider
Thought I'd solicit some opinions from the more experienced listeners here. I have a 2 channel system and am happy with the bass performance that I get but friends insist that the quality of my system would improve with the addition of a subwoofer. One in particular is heavy into room measurements

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume controlS questions???

2010-05-22 Thread cliveb
Phil Leigh;549678 Wrote: > 1) set Touch to max > 2) set power amp to max > 3) set pre-amp to the loudest you ever want to really hear (this will > be well below max) > 4) use Touch to adjust down for daily use > > or > > 1) set Touch to max > 2) set power amp to max > 3) set pre-amp to loudest

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the Transporter anyway?

2010-05-22 Thread darrenyeats
garym;549798 Wrote: > try hydrogenaudio.org. After the 2nd post of this thread, a moderator > would have invoked rules that require the poster to post ABX tests to > back up his claims. We're downright loose around here in comparison. Ah, but those guys don't call themselves "audiophiles". That's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume controlS questions???

2010-05-22 Thread mswlogo
Mnyb;549774 Wrote: > > OT : > It's been interesting to see mswlogo measuring the G98 (as I have one) > . > I strongly suspect that it is an connection between it's hybrid volume > control, and the setup when you calibrate it with your RS spl meter . > It's seems to use some course analog gain st

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the Transporter anyway?

2010-05-22 Thread garym
darrenyeats;549796 Wrote: > > This is probably the most skeptical audiophile forum on the interweb. I > happen to like that. But it could be a bit more friendly sometimes. try hydrogenaudio.org. After the 2nd post of this thread, a moderator would have invoked rules that require the poster to p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the Transporter anyway?

2010-05-22 Thread darrenyeats
earwaxer, you might want to change your name to ear-bashed! This is probably the most skeptical audiophile forum on the interweb. I happen to like that. But it could be a bit more friendly sometimes. -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume controlS questions???

2010-05-22 Thread Mnyb
System gain can be discussed to the cows come home :) very neglected by audiophiles ? It's not uncommon that the gain is to high everywhere, source is to hot pre amp has to much gain and power amp is to sensitive ? Idealy gain should be sensible in every step. Do you have other sources ? You k