Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread rgro
jfo;610498 Wrote: > You really think so? I find Dr Carpetride is actually being quite > sarcastic and disrespectful, while adding nothing to this thread. Well he didn't swear and, in attempting to take the high road in my interpretation, he's asking Phil, essentially, as to why someone might tak

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread Mnyb
cliveb;610390 Wrote: > In an objective sense, vinyl is a complete dog's dinner compared to CD > format digital. That said, the distortions inherent in vinyl replay can > be euphonic and some people prefer its characteristic sound. When they > say it's "better", what they really mean is that they

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread Mnyb
Btw depending on euipment, the measures i sugested in my last post may or may not be audible to a human, but they are real impovements The electrical environment for your hifi would be sligthly improved. -- Mnyb Main hifi: To

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread Mnyb
What you can do, that would not cost you almost arm nothing is: 1. Get a a grounded outlet for your hifi ,if you are from uk this is free as I think it,s standard there. 2. Turn the powercord contact in the rigth direction, again if in uk this should be correct already. If you have shucko contac

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread RonM
pski;610497 Wrote: > When it comes to power, it's better to worry about the amperage limits > of the outlet (assuming you have an amplifier that's worth a flying > *&^$ at a rolling doughnut.)P Hmm. That WOULD explain the enraged neighbours. Their lights dim in time to the music! R. -- Ron

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread Wombat
I won´t comment to much on a vendors chord but i did some homework with these things. In the days of Powerline and other things polluting the mains there is some chance a power chord can act as lowpass filter due to the way it is build and therefore may influence the electronics behind. BUT! A si

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Wombat
mherger;608469 Wrote: > Guys, > > please calm down. We only have very few rules, please respect them. The > following are good reasons to close a subject: > > * Profanity: This post contains expletives or vulgar language. Please > post in more friendly manner. > * Personal attack: Insults or ru

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread RonM
duke43j;610348 Wrote: > I agree that much of the allure of vinyl is that many people (me > included) prefer a warmer and more “musical” sound to an “analytical” > (and probably more accurate) sound. I believe this warm sound is > achieved by rolling off the high end, and/or by introducing even >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread jfo
rgro;610444 Wrote: > O.K...so this is a fair question and civilly, put, thank you. You really think so? I find Dr Carpetride is actually being quite sarcastic and disrespectful, while adding nothing to this thread. -- jfo --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread pski
RonM;610495 Wrote: > But please, check out my bridge in New York first. Special deal, just > for you! > > Seriously, I think that you'll find a consensus here to the effect that > the so-called audiophile power cords are something close to a rip-off. > People WILL hear what they want to hear,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread pski
In any case, the quality of vinyl depends on the production of the product and the quality of the cartridge. Cartridges were (and are) notorious for flavoring the sound. (From my experience, Grado makes excellent products at reasonable prices. AudioTechnica are good but not so cheap.) With care

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread RonM
But please, check out my bridge in New York first. Special deal, just for you! Seriously, I think that you'll find a consensus here to the effect that the so-called audiophile power cords are something close to a rip-off. People WILL hear what they want to hear, especially when they know where

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice needed re speakers in smallish room

2011-02-11 Thread pski
pippin;609177 Wrote: > Seriously? Then I know what my next US purchase will be. I currently > plan to buy one and they are >$1.000 (~€900) over here in Europe. Actually, looking at froogle.com, it looks like they are around $700 from the more reputable vendors. I was remembering the price when t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread pski
magiccarpetride;610484 Wrote: > Must admit I don't know the first thing about the importance/influence > of power cords when it comes to the quality of reproduced sound. I > happened to be passing by my local hi fi dealer today and saw that > they're moving and have stuff on sale. One thing caugh

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power cords

2011-02-11 Thread magiccarpetride
Must admit I don't know the first thing about the importance/influence of power cords when it comes to the quality of reproduced sound. I happened to be passing by my local hi fi dealer today and saw that they're moving and have stuff on sale. One thing caught my eye: Nordost Wyrewizard Magus powe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread rgro
sligolad;610400 Wrote: > i have to say an air of civility and constructive communications has > been taking place in the last 2 pages which is refreshing. > My thanks to phil for all his excellent work and this work has now > convinced me to finally try the toolbox. > Up to now i have been readin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread rgro
Phil Leigh;610446 Wrote: > thanks, Rick - that saved me a lot of typing! > > I'm certainly going to be the only person that decides how I "waste" my > own time... Cheers, Phil. Yeah, without a baseline set of hard specs to design to, I can't imagine how anybody could possibly design any piece

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
rgro;610444 Wrote: > O.K...so this is a fair question and civilly, put, thank you. If I may > put a few words in Phil's mouth. There is a portion of the audio folks > that, in many cases, put empiricism ahead of the subjective. In other > words, they measure it first and then decide if they li

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread rgro
magiccarpetride;610436 Wrote: > With all due respect, I don't understand what's the purpose of these > tests. There are four possible scenarios here: > > 1. You present me with the results of the test, and the results claim > that there are differences between modded and the unmodded Touch. I, >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread paulster
magiccarpetride;610436 Wrote: > With all due respect, I don't understand what's the purpose of these > tests. There are four possible scenarios here: > > 1. You present me with the results of the test, and the results claim > that there are differences between modded and the unmodded Touch. I, >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread chill
Dr Carpetride Far Fetched? Why far fetched? They seem highly believable to me. I'm surprised you're not more pleased with Phil's initial results - they do seem to support some of what you've been saying up to this point. Is it because of that inconvenient little conclusion about the ttvol mod

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;610116 Wrote: > Conclusions: > > 1) Some people may be able to hear some changes via the analogue outs, > as a result of some of these mods, depending on their ears and > equipment. > > 2) the vol100 mod does precisely nothing (but only IF you already have > volume set to maximum)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
paulster;610426 Wrote: > @Phil > > If you get a chance in all the tests you're running I'd love to see the > differences between server-side and client-side FLAC decoding captured > too, to start from a usual-case scenario and work through the mods from > that point. I did server vs flac playba

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread paulster
@Phil If you get a chance in all the tests you're running I'd love to see the differences between server-side and client-side FLAC decoding captured too, to start from a usual-case scenario and work through the mods from that point. -- paulster -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?

2011-02-11 Thread garym
Taylormade;610410 Wrote: > If been using a Rega DAC now for two days fed by the squeezebox touch > via coax. The difference was immediate. The fact that the Touch > outputs run in parallel allows for an easy A/B comparison. As mentioned > before, the muffled sound from the Touch is now gone. I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Eriko
magiccarpetride;610388 Wrote: > I don't need no guts to support you, Klaus. What most people here don't > know is that I hold a PhD in Bullshit No kidding magiccarpetride;610388 Wrote: > So why don't all of you passive-aggressive bullies gracefully bow out > and leave us alone to continue wor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?

2011-02-11 Thread mlsstl
Taylormade;610410 Wrote: > As mentioned before, the muffled sound from the Touch is now gone. Interesting the wide variance in responses. I was just reading another user's reaction to the Touch yesterday (on a different forum) and his comment was that his external DAC removed the harsh brightne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?

2011-02-11 Thread Taylormade
If been using a Rega DAC now for two days fed by the squeezebox touch via coax. The difference was immediate. The fact that the Touch outputs run in parallel allows for an easy A/B comparison. As mentioned before, the muffled sound from the Touch is now gone. I had never noticed this shortcomin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread duke43j
garym;610393 Wrote: > wow $73,750. > http://www.stereophile.com/turntables/258/ I see that stuff and I just shake my head. I'm nowhere near that fanatical (or that rich). But the question remains. Is anyone out there with a good digital front end that thinks their analog system sounds bett

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Sligolad
I have to say an air of civility and constructive communications has been taking place in the last 2 pages which is refreshing. My thanks to Phil for all his excellent work and this work has now convinced me to finally try the toolbox. Up to now i have been reading with great interest all the feed

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Robin Bowes
On 11/02/11 17:58, magiccarpetride wrote: > (the usual load of emotive, paranoid rubbish) Once again, do you really think that someone else expressing an opposing opinion, or doubting your own opinion constitutes an attack? As far as I can see, *you* are the only attacking anybody. Please calm d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread m1abrams
First off I am not sure what thread you are reading but the only rude comments are ones like yours. Phil is just putting testing in the mix for the debate. I was not aware that this forum only allowed blind faith and appraisal. Please calm down a bit because your type of post was completely unca

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread garym
wow $73,750. http://www.stereophile.com/turntables/258/ -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85590 __

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread darrenyeats
I've heard high-end rigs with turntable front ends. I've never heard anything to make me think vinyl is superior. Some people hear it, apparently. I don't hear it. Then again, I could say the same about ultra high-end digital sources. They have not impressed me as being superior to more reasonabl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread cliveb
duke43j;610326 Wrote: > Now I’m thinking – Either these claims are totally bogus, or I’m just > looking in the wrong price range. The retail cost of the Rega table, > cartridge and phono preamp was about $1500, which is comparable to the > cost of my SB3 and Benchmark DAC 1. How high up the food

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread magiccarpetride
soundcheck;610255 Wrote: > When it comes to magiccarpetride. I 100% support him. > He is one of the very few ones over here having the guts to support me > and my efforts. I don't need no guts to support you, Klaus. What most people here don't know is that I hold a PhD in Bullshit Detection (my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread garym
you can start your auditioning with this one. ;-) http://www.needledoctor.com/Roksan-TMS3-Turntable?sc=2&category=791 -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread magiccarpetride
duke43j;610326 Wrote: > Lately I’ve been seeing a resurgence of claims about how much better > vinyl is compared to digital. I have an SB3 feeding a Benchmark DAC and > I love it! The sound is wonderful. I also have about 200 LPs in my > closet that I listen to occasionally on my somewhat mid-fi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread guidof
duke43j;610348 Wrote: > > > I think all of the above is a matter of personal preference. What I’m > curious about is what price range (if any) do you need to pay for a > turntable/cartridge that sounds better than a good digital input. Sorry, I don't have an answer to your question -- and I do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
guidof;610362 Wrote: > -Originally Posted by *rgro* > Phil... > > First, sorry to hear that you've got unwanted time on your > hands...here's to a speedy recovery. > - > Hi Phil: > > Ditto. Warmest wishes for a prompt and full recovery. > > With appreciation for your many and valuable contr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread guidof
-Originally Posted by *rgro* Phil... First, sorry to hear that you've got unwanted time on your hands...here's to a speedy recovery. - Hi Phil: Ditto. Warmest wishes for a prompt and full recovery. With appreciation for your many and valuable contributions to these forums. Guido F. -- gu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;610312 Wrote: > Hi Phil. > > Referring to your potential listening tests: > > I'd be interested what system you're running? Is your signature > up2date? No Tact equipment there - I thought I read somewhere that > you're running a Tact amp. !?!? > Are you still doing room convolution

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread duke43j
I agree that much of the allure of vinyl is that many people (me included) prefer a warmer and more “musical” sound to an “analytical” (and probably more accurate) sound. I believe this warm sound is achieved by rolling off the high end, and/or by introducing even harmonics (i.e. distortion) to th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
RonM;610336 Wrote: > I was reading a post somewhere (not on these forums) from someone who > had been ripping his old vinyl to digital. He was very gratified that > the "wonderful warm sound of vinyl" was still present in the digital > rips. Sigh. He completely failed to understand that this m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
firedog;610254 Wrote: > So basically, even if you start from scratch (no mic, etc), a decently > powered SB server and a few hundred bucks can get you something at > least as good as a $6000 TACT RC pre. Amazing. Of course, you may also > have to invest in a DAC to equal the SQ. > > Definitely s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread earwaxer9
If you follow Steve Guttenburg on CNET he could probably give you a good response to the question of digital vs. vinyl. He is big on vinyl. I personally dont see any point in vinyl. I believe that vinyl had an advantage in the early days of the CD. Now, digital is supreme. The digital "limitation

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Soundman
soundcheck;610325 Wrote: > Did you run any comparisons 7.5.3 vs. 7.6. ? Not really. I simply decided one day to try 7.6. And your mods worked very well with any version I tired. Therefor no reason to be afraid of upgrading to 7.6. The mods run and the difference in sq is audible with all versions

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread RonM
I was reading a post somewhere (not on these forums) from someone who had been ripping his old vinyl to digital. He was very gratified that the "wonderful warm sound of vinyl" was still present in the digital rips. Sigh. He completely failed to understand that this meant the "wonderful warm sou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread ghostrider
I gave up on vinyl long ago. I never understood the infatuation with clicks and pops, which are inevitable, as well as the effort involved in maintenance. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread SatoriGFX
duke43j;610326 Wrote: > How high up the food chain do you have to go to get this “better than > digital” sound that people are claiming? Not very high according to many who prefer vinyl. Usually, it's the other way around. Many claim you need to spend far more on a digital front end to come cl

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-11 Thread duke43j
Lately I’ve been seeing a resurgence of claims about how much better vinyl is compared to digital. I have an SB3 feeding a Benchmark DAC and I love it! The sound is wonderful. I also have about 200 LPs in my closet that I listen to occasionally on my somewhat mid-fi B&O turntable with an MMC2 cart

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread soundcheck
Soundman;610322 Wrote: > Hi > I also run 7.6 since a pretty long time, though I only update once a > week instead of daily. So far all of Soundcheck's mods worked with > every 7.6-version I installed, but only if one does a reset to the > factory defaults before installing the mods. Did you run

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Soundman
Phil Leigh;610289 Wrote: > Hi! > > the latest 7.6 nightly from yesterday allows the buffer and jive2 mods > to work... I've just tried them. > I'll see if I can do some further tests at the weekend. Hi I also run 7.6 since a pretty long time, though I only update once a week instead of daily.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-11 Thread tank121
To get this thread back on track.. I'm now thinking of doing away with the storage aread and blocking up the 2nd door leading to the garden. This would give about an extra 4 - 5 ft to length so potentially 22 - 23ft length. Any major advantages/disadvantages to loosing the dividing stud wall ?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;610289 Wrote: > Hi! > > ... and yes my Touch is stock - no hardware mods at all. > > (my DAC is heavily modded by Audiocom... that will come into play next > week!) Hi Phil. Referring to your potential listening tests: I'd be interested what system you're running? Is your signatur

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;610280 Wrote: > 7.6. is not supported. I won't ever support beta releases. I think that is very wise - nightly releases mean nightly reinstalls - and unpredictable results. Because some of these mods rely on in situ code editing, they can be broken at any moment (accidentally or delib

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;610277 Wrote: > Hello Phil. > > 1. It's not slices in audio. It's higher energy covering lower energy > distortions. Higher (and more dense) energy gets more prominent. Of > course there > is a slight difference if the type of distortions are of different > nature > then just "noise

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread soundcheck
kiat;610271 Wrote: > > > Any comments on the 2 mods not working for 7.6 beta? 7.6. is not supported. I won't ever support beta releases. -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread soundcheck
Hello Phil. 1. It's not slices in audio. It's higher energy covering lower energy distortions. Higher energy gets more prominent. Of course there is a slight difference if the type of distortions are of different nature then just "noise". If we talk cumulative we talk about this or that source

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread kiat
Phil Leigh;610269 Wrote: > I don't know - that's a question for Klaus! > > 7.6 is a big step forward for sure. > > I'll see what my notes said... Hi Phil Sorry for being too excited :) Hi soundcheck Any comments on the 2 mods not working for 7.6 beta? -- kiat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
kiat;610268 Wrote: > Hi Phil > > Any reason why 7.6 beta is causing the jive2 and buffer mod not to > work? > > I feel the new future 7.6 is quite a step forward compared to 7.5 I don't know - that's a question for Klaus! 7.6 is a big step forward for sure. I'll see what my notes said... -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread kiat
Phil Leigh;610175 Wrote: > SBS 7.6 beta... Hi Phil Any reason why 7.6 beta is causing the jive2 and buffer mod not to work? I feel the new future 7.6 is quite a step forward compared to 7.5 -- kiat kiat's Profile: http

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
Just to clarify, ADM (indeed, any "null test for difference") relies on the only thing changing between tests being the thing you are trying to detect. In particular, ADM can correct very successfully for gain and sample timing differences. What it can't do is to correct for quasi-random cyclical

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread soundcheck
@rgro. You brought up some good points. I do also see quite some coloration in Phils expressed conclusions and opinions. I am not in the position to question the tool he has been using to run the tests. Though I'm questioning the method he is running the tests. Of course to read Phils latest co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-02-11 Thread firedog
Phil Leigh;610078 Wrote: > Sorry... > the outcome is that the TACT is now in the loft. > > Not only does Inguz do pretty much everything that the TACT did, it > does it with noticeably (to my ears) less artefacts. In particular, a > nasty upper-mid resonance on some material that I've been livin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-11 Thread Phil Leigh
rgro;610223 Wrote: > Phil... > > First, sorry to hear that you've got unwanted time on your > hands...here's to a speedy recovery. Second, thanks for your time and > hard work looking into this. > > In a way it's too bad that your results were not more > conclusive--either way---as they've man