Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-25 Thread Mnyb
pski;613820 Wrote: > I had this Sony cassette deck (TC-fx1010) which featured continuous bias > adjustment. With Maxell Metal tapes, playback was almost identical to > CD. This is also true of my current Sony ES deck. The 1010 was fully > solenoid control and it's POST earned it the nickname "Cit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-25 Thread Mnyb
Also be carefull when choosing speakers the popular missconception is that resolution = a lot of treble and to much upper midrange ( presence band ). This is a trend i noticed the last decade some speaker brands newer models is actually worse. They may soud more " exciting" with good recordings

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection

2011-02-25 Thread paulster
My pressing of Southside by Texas is awful. Really awful. Yet the vinyl is amazing sounding so it's not the fault of the recording. -- paulster paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 Vie

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-25 Thread Robin Bowes
On 25/02/11 22:39, pski wrote: > playback was almost identical to CD. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-25 Thread Kal Rubinson
magiccarpetride;613824 Wrote: > It's basically 'garbage in, garbage out'. Before we focus on speaker > placements and room treatment, let's first make sure that we have > solidified our signal at its source.GIGO, indeed. However, if you measure > the pollution by standards like signal distortio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread Mnyb
magiccarpetride;613771 Wrote: > As is always the case, mediocre organizations will hire mediocre people > who will go for mediocre results. People almost always go for the low > hanging fruit. What's easier: searching for the original 24 bit master > tracks, or pushing the "Convert" button and up

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-25 Thread magiccarpetride
I've been recently spending some time with several audiophile friends and acquaintances, talking shop, comparing notes, exchanging tall audio stories. One thing that caught my attention is how pretty much everyone kept insisting that speaker positioning and room treatment (even EQ-ing) are the mo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection

2011-02-25 Thread pski
Not for content, but the original release of Terrapin Station is truly horrible P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-25 Thread pski
Mnyb;613626 Wrote: > Yep reel to reel tape was better than vinyl ( quite obvius as the > masters tapes themselfes where on this format) > But no comercially viable way off massproducing these very ever lauched > ? So more of less a format for the recording enthusiast. > > With a good tape deck y

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread magiccarpetride
Mnyb;613627 Wrote: > Wonder if not 30% of DVDA and 50% SACD is fakes in this repect ? > > I think SACD has more fakes due to higher title count as the morons > runed out of real 24 bit records. > > I would not be surprised at all if some of these records are faked this > way even if there is a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread Wombat
I saw David Robinson that had the idea to create "lossywav" uses the processor to get an idea how many bits the recording really can use. http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lossywav Even when lossywav thinks it can remove some bits it may not be audible to remove even more. Some recordi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread ralphpnj
Phil Leigh;613754 Wrote: > just run replaygain on it (Foobar is free) to get a rough idea... > actually it's only about -7dB which isn't obscene. > > I realise 70's prog isn't everyone's cup of tea :-) Thanks! Okay so I used Foobar to run replaygain on a few recent recordings just to get some

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-25 Thread Phil Leigh
johann;613762 Wrote: > I think the same can be said about Linn, at least to some extent. As a long-term Linn user (since early 80's) I can agree with that... to some extent. They have now moved on. Actually to be fair. it is no longer Linn that have this attitude, but some of their customers!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-25 Thread johann
cliveb;613756 Wrote: > As an ex-Naim devotee who thankfully escaped about 20 years ago, I have > to say that Naim seem to demand an almost religious acceptance from > their customers while the smoke & mirrors are waved around. A bit like > Apple, I suppose. I think the same can be said about Lin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-25 Thread cliveb
JezA;613722 Wrote: > There have been plenty of one-box no-compromise (whatever that might > mean) cd players. The Linn CD12 for exampe and the top end Naim range. Yes, sorry I forgot about those. And the Arcam CD9 with the dCS ringDAC is another example. However, while I agree that Linn and Arca

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread Phil Leigh
ralphpnj;613745 Wrote: > Do I really have to? > > Actually I know someone who has a copy. What software (free, if > available) can I use to measure the relative loudness of a recording? just run replaygain on it (Foobar is free) to get a rough idea... actually it's only about -7dB which isn't o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread ralphpnj
Phil Leigh;613730 Wrote: > It's already happened... check out the DVD-A of Fragile by Yes... Do I really have to? Actually I know someone who has a copy. What software (free, if available) can I use to measure the relative loudness of a recording? -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Bar

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-25 Thread Phil Leigh
JezA;613722 Wrote: > There have been plenty of one-box no-compromise (whatever that might > mean) cd players. The Linn CD12 for exampe and the top end Naim range. > Indeed Naim refused, until recently, to even countenance putting an > s/pdif output on their cd players because they argued that it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread Phil Leigh
ralphpnj;613710 Wrote: > Another way look at the things should remastering in high resolution > catch on and prove worthwhile for record companies, i.e. profitable, is > that we can then look forward to a high resolution version of the > Loudness War. High gain and high resolution - wow what a co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-25 Thread JezA
There have been plenty of one-box no-compromise (whatever that might mean) cd players. The Linn CD12 for exampe and the top end Naim range. Indeed Naim refused, until recently, to even countenance putting an s/pdif output on their cd players because they argued that it compromised the performance

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-25 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb;613626 Wrote: > Yep reel to reel tape was better than vinyl ( quite obvius as the > masters tapes themselfes where on this format) > But no comercially viable way off massproducing these very ever lauched > ? So more of less a format for the recording enthusiast. > > With a good tape deck y

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Apple Going 24 Bit?

2011-02-25 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb;613627 Wrote: > Wonder if not 30% of DVDA and 50% SACD is fakes in this repect ? > > I think SACD has more fakes due to higher title count as the morons > runed out of real 24 bit records. > > I would not be surprised at all if some of these records are faked this > way even if there is a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread soundcheck
johann;613699 Wrote: > Do you experience this with WiFi as well? To be honest. I havn't tried a wired (to router) Windows server feeding a wireless Touch. Until now wireless Touch operation was worse then any wired scenario I tried. Perhaps I should give it a try. -- soundcheck 'soundchec

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread soundcheck
zzzap;613704 Wrote: > If you do will you explain what you're done and why to those of us that > like to understand our system? I miss this information for the Toolbox > v2. Sure I can read through your scripts and do more or less qualified > guesswork as with any reverse engineering. But if possi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread zzzap
soundcheck;613694 Wrote: > As I said. I've studied the whole subject for quite some time. > I found quiet some areas for improvement. I also developped and > applied modifications with pretty good results. > > I obviously havn't made those modifications available to the public. > If you do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread Robin Bowes
On 25/02/11 13:24, soundcheck wrote: > > Yep. A Windows based server sounds better then a Linux based server on > the same HW. *shakes head in disbelief* Totally bonkers. -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ __

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread johann
soundcheck;613694 Wrote: > Yep. A Windows based server sounds better then a Linux based server on > the > same HW. Do you experience this with WiFi as well? -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/memb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-25 Thread cliveb
JezA;613617 Wrote: > John - thanks. You mention that if a 'one-box' solution is done right, > the results are spectacular. Mind me asking who in your opinion has > done it right? Or the least wrong? John will know more about this than me, but I recall that back in the early/mid 90's several Japan

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread soundcheck
zzzap;613686 Wrote: > OK, so we agree there is no data loss then? Now then, the question is > how can the TCP still have a role in SQ then? As you say lost packets > might have an impact. Best way to pursue that thought is to studie the > network layers on the Touch and see if we can monitor requ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread zzzap
soundcheck;613658 Wrote: > No. That's not not an issue. There's no loss of data. There are so > called "Lost packets" on TCP/IP. Though these get resend. > > My work is more related to the ethernet (TCP/IP) handling - and not > only on the receiveing end! As I said. Meanwhile I know that everyth

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread johann
soundcheck;613680 Wrote: > What I mean is that I'm looking into all affected OSI layers. ;) Fair enough. Why don´t you test whether you can hear the differnce between Win 7 and Linux based SBS, through WiFi? If you do, then you can exclude Ethernet and if you don´t then you have isolated the p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread soundcheck
johann;613678 Wrote: > Ethernet is per definition not TCP/IP, in fact it is not even IP but at > lower levels. So what do you mean? What I mean is that I'm looking into all affected OSI layers. ;) -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread johann
soundcheck;613658 Wrote: > My work is more related to the ethernet (TCP/IP) handling - and not only > on the receiveing end! Ethernet is per definition not TCP/IP, in fact it is not even IP but at lower levels. So what do you mean? -- johann ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread soundcheck
zzzap;613655 Wrote: > Not sure if I understand what you're saying. Do you work at this issue > as if the Touch is missing data from the stream? No. That's not not an issue. There's no loss of data. There are so called "Lost packets" on TCP/IP. Though these get resend. My work is more related to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread zzzap
soundcheck;613649 Wrote: > Who do you mean with "we all" ? ;) > > Lossless in what sense? If you mean no impact on sound - I won't agree > - not at all. > > You can read on my blog what we figured out over a couple of weeks > period digging into that subject. > Not sure if I understand what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Steve Guttenberg a genius?

2011-02-25 Thread Griffin
It's a pitty though he seems to solely focus on the hardware. Quality should be good enough to let one experience and enjoy sound (usually music). The hardware is just a tool whilst music IMHO is all about the overall experience. So, no, IMHO, SG is not a genius at all. -- Griffin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread Phil Leigh
soundcheck;613649 Wrote: > > Network cables must be considered antennas!!! > do you mean antennas that transmit, receive or both? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ D

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-25 Thread soundcheck
zzzap;613615 Wrote: > Do we all agree that the TCP transport is lossless? > If we do, what factors can we then try to agree on could influence > differences some members have experienced fiddling with the network? > > - First. I've not seen any information that the Touch actually use TCP. > Are