Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
rgro;687479 Wrote: > Phil... > > So, now I'm curiousdo you use those ferrites other places, too? On > your (non-optical) interconnects, power cords, etc.? > > Someone recently mentioned taking an AM radio, tuned to static, and > putting it near various potential sources. I did this and c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations

2012-01-30 Thread SBGK
think these are my final settings Squeezeserver on core 1,2,3 priority real time, i/o high and same with svchost.exe (netsvcs) which is the MMCSS process everything else on core 0, priority idle, i/o very low apart from these windows processes which are all priority normal and i/o normal on core

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
reverendo;687437 Wrote: > Phil > Thanks for being so patient and answering my newbie questions. > One (hopefully) last question: does Audiolense compensate for balance > if speaker placement is assymetrical? Yes, Audiolense and Inguz working together compensate for asymmetric speaker placement (

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
Can you name 3 today's commonly used "standard" measurements that did not exist in the 1970s? -- vett93 Main system: Source: Transporter, modded by ModWright: http://www.modwright.com/modifications/transporter-truth-mods.php Preamp: Dude from Tube Research Labs: http://www.tuberesearchlabs.c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Mnyb
Ron Olsen;687477 Wrote: > Kodo's Lion (with a large bass drum hit with a huge club) sounds > fantastic on my listening system with a well-integrated subwoofer. > Unless your main speakers have good response down to 25 or 30 Hz, a > properly integrated subwoofer can add palpable realism and intens

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread Mnyb
Archimago;687200 Wrote: > Many times in magazines like Stereophile, you see John Atkinson measure > something poorly yet the subjective evaluator gives it an A for sound. > > Have you seen cases of definite fantastic measurements of the usual > parameters (eg. Flat freq response, low distortion,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
adamdea;687462 Wrote: > Yes this has all got a bit confused. > Sorry, I did not mean to be rude to you. Most digital equipment and switching power supplies would generate RFI which can degrade analog sound. If you have a SBT and use its analog output to the amp, you can get a better sound q

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-30 Thread NoRoDa
Gazjam;687367 Wrote: > must admit > > went back to Soundchecks ORIGINAL TT3 settings (have faffed about with > all sorts recently)and its better. > > I'll vote with my feet...says as is until TT4. > KISS theory: Keep it simple stupid... > > Thanks Klaus. Me too :) Fully agree -- NoRoDa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
My 2nd system is in the master bedroom which is about the same size as the family room where the home theater and my main audio system are. Currently, the 2nd system has BAT tube preamp and a pair of solid state monoblocks from Tube Audio Design. They don't have the magic effect of the 300B SET am

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread Archimago
Interesting comment vett. I'm wondering though from the psychoacoustic perspective, we know that the room is a major part of the sound. Could it be that the room size, decor, or location could be affecting your perception. I can imagine the home theater to be a larger space, less intimate versus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread rgro
Phil Leigh;687304 Wrote: > I forgot to mention... all of my ethernet cables have clamp-on ferrites > at both ends... might be worth trying? Phil... So, now I'm curiousdo you use those ferrites other places, too? On your (non-optical) interconnects, power cords, etc.? Someone recently men

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Ron Olsen
pandasharka;687421 Wrote: > Two things I've never been into; > a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening > room? Kodo's Lion (with a large bass drum hit with a huge club) sounds fantastic on my listening system with a well-integrated subwoofer. Unless your main speak

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread pski
If "front end" means input signal, I would vote no. Your ears hear the speakers and the speakers need amperes and accuracy. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks

2012-01-30 Thread pski
magiccarpetride;686176 Wrote: > A definition of a being a redneck is possessing "glorious absence of > sophistication". > > Aesthetic concerns seem to be topping the list of things that remain > inscrutable for the audiophile rednecks. They only seem capable of > listening to music if they happe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks

2012-01-30 Thread pski
Mnyb;687002 Wrote: > Cross posting between diffenrent forums is that not a no no of grand > scale ? > And copypasta trolling, you can of course quote , but it should be > obvius to readers that you quote someone else and not writting your own > content. > > Scientific bakground without understan

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread adamdea
pandasharka;687421 Wrote: > Two things I've never been into; > a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening > room? No thanks! > > > > I understand people may need both however. This is great if your speakers go down to 20Hz, but if not then there is a portion of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread adamdea
vett93;687410 Wrote: > I am just amazed how we read posts from others. Didn't I specify that I > believed digital noises from CPU/DSP/RAM/PSU can degrade the sound? I > was trying to determine if the digital noises from the bridge can be > coupled to the Transporter. > > Regarding your comment

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread reverendo
Phil Leigh;687433 Wrote: > Any USB sound card will be fine I use a Tascam. Like this > http://tascam.com/product/us-144mkii/ > as for microphones... I use one of these > http://www.earthworksaudio.com/our-microphones/m-series/m23/ these are > superb microphones in every sense. that's a fine

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread reverendo
Phil Thanks for being so patient and answering my newbie questions. One (hopefully) last question: does Audiolense compensate for balance if speaker placement is assymetrical? -- reverendo SB Touch (with Welborne PSU)>Camelot Technology Uther 2.0 MkIV (with 24/192 upgrade)>Gryphon Tabu 2/100>K

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
vett93;687430 Wrote: > Flat to 18Hz by what weighting method? One of my subwoofers is in my 2nd > system. I set the cross over freq. at 40Hz and use the speaker level > input. If I use A or C weighting method on my sound level meter to flat > out the freq response, I find the low bass is a bit to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
I am still learning human perception of good sound. My current conclusion is that one needs to have various types of electronics/speakers to enjoy all kinds of music. In other words, it is hard to have one system that does it all. Alternatively, one can pick a system based on a given preference of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
reverendo;687431 Wrote: > Phil, > any ideas concerning which microphone and soundcard would be suitable? Any USB sound card will be fine I use a Tascam. Like this http://tascam.com/product/us-144mkii/ as for microphones... I use one of these http://www.earthworksaudio.com/our-microphones/m-

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread reverendo
Phil, any ideas concerning which microphone and soundcard would be suitable? -- reverendo SB Touch (with Welborne PSU)>Camelot Technology Uther 2.0 MkIV (with 24/192 upgrade)>Gryphon Tabu 2/100>KEF Reference 201/2 Power Cables: ASI Liveline and Rega; Digital: Stereovox XV2; IC: Zu Audio Varial

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
Flat to 18Hz by what weighting method? One of my subwoofers is in my 2nd system. I set the cross over freq. at 40Hz and use the speaker level input. If I use A or C weighting method on my sound level meter to flat out the freq response, I find the low bass is a bit too weak for my taste. I ended u

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
reverendo;687423 Wrote: > Hi Phil, > Thanks for your swift answer. > I've heard of Audiolense and accourate. Is the measuring and setting up > a rather easy process? > I'm thinking of buying the mic and the soundcard. Which do you consider > to be good and straightforward? > Thanks a lot > André

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread ralphpnj
I can't think of any equipment that fits the description of "measures beautifully but sounds bad" but I can think of a few professional athletes who have great stats (measure beautifully) but perform badly (sound bad). For example, Mark Teixeira: Lifetime regular season batting average: .281 (ve

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
pandasharka;687421 Wrote: > Two things I've never been into; > a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening > room? No thanks! > > 2) headphones. Not had the need since I was at home with folks. > > I understand people may need both however. Personally I like having a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread reverendo
Hi Phil, Thanks for your swift answer. I've heard of Audiolense and accourate. Is the measuring and setting up a rather easy process? I'm thinking of buying the mic and the soundcard. Which do you consider to be good and straightforward? Thanks a lot André -- reverendo -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread pandasharka
Two things I've never been into; a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening room? No thanks! 2) headphones. Not had the need since I was at home with folks. I understand people may need both however. -- pandasharka ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread Archimago
Phil Leigh;687282 Wrote: > Celestion Sl-6 - measured very nicely, sounded alternately constipated > and psychotically metallic to me (remember this is all personal taste) LOL - psychotically metallic. Maybe you were just listening to a modern Top 40 song with AutoTuned vocals. :-) -- Archima

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
vett93;687414 Wrote: > These Velodyne subwoofers have built-in room correction capability. I > think it sweeps from 20Hz to 200Hz to caliberate itself. Cool! I haven't heard those. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minima

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
vett93;687410 Wrote: > I am just amazed how we read posts from others. Didn't I specify that I > believed digital noises from CPU/DSP/RAM/PSU can degrade the sound? I > was trying to determine if the digital noises from the bridge can be > coupled to the Transporter. > > Regarding your comment

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
Phil Leigh;687280 Wrote: > (at the risk of sounding like a scratched record) Subs never sound right > to me on any music without some form of room correction. Have you tried > any? These Velodyne subwoofers have built-in room correction capability. I think it sweeps from 20Hz to 200Hz to caliber

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
opto couplers will achieve galvanic isolation but will not block HF noise on the signal lines. For that you need Ethernet filters (expensive) or you can try ferrite clamps (very cheap). The big problem is that in signal terms there is not much difference between HF noise and the Ethernet signal, e

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
adamdea;687316 Wrote: > ... but the OP did not say that he was particularly concerned about RF > from the wireless bridge itself. In fact many people on this forum have > argued that it is essential to get rid of the switchmode psu on the > wireless bridge which will otherwise inject noise. maybe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
reverendo;687405 Wrote: > Hi there, > It's been a long time I haven't had a look at this thread. > After having to move to an apartment with more than sub-optimal space > for music I'm seriously considering giving Inguz with RC a try. > I would like to know if there is any software that works sim

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-01-30 Thread guidof
cliveb;687363 Wrote: > > > When I eventually bought a CD burner (Ricoh MP6200S), it cost over £500 > and for that princely sum provided the blazing write speed of 2x. Blank > CDs were about £5 each in those days. (And to think some people look > back on the past with affection!) Ah, the 'good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2012-01-30 Thread reverendo
Hi there, It's been a long time I haven't had a look at this thread. After having to move to an apartment with more than sub-optimal space for music I'm seriously considering giving Inguz with RC a try. I would like to know if there is any software that works similarly to Lyngdorf, with multiple m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-01-30 Thread firedog
Hi- The Bellari vp530 is a good unit. I don't remember their models exactly, but they make phono preamps with USB and tube output. At least one with both. As far as the RIAA curve: if you are going digital, there is a lot of software around that will apply the RIAA curve for you to your file, an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread darrenyeats
pandasharka;687286 Wrote: > OK so we're saying that a high end streamer from the likes of Linn will > not give significant sound benefit compared to SBT+ decent DAC? > > I'm relatively new into the digital space. I did spend a lot in the old > days on Linn with a high end Sondek front ended syst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-30 Thread ZMK
Hi, I'm a complete newbie to streaming audio and only recently got a Touch. I thought I'd experiment with the Toolbox at the weekend. I tried TT3.0, but didn't like it as the bass sounded mechanical and tiring, so I thought I'd try TT2.0. This was more pleasant so I tried tweaking that includin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks

2012-01-30 Thread magiccarpetride
Stilly77;686863 Wrote: > wow...another dumb thread > > same old elites battling it out > > just a foolish game of domination here with not an iota of importance. > > this place is a nothing but a glorified sewer One could not wish for a better contribution to the audiophile rednecks thread. T

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-30 Thread Gazjam
must admit went back to Soundchecks ORIGINAL TT3 settings (have faffed about with all sorts recently)and its better. I'll vote with my feet...says as is until TT4. Thanks Klaus. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://fo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-01-30 Thread cliveb
maggior;687338 Wrote: > I started doing this around the same time as you. For me, it was partly > the satisfaction of making my own CDs. That was something I never > thought I would be able to do! When I started doing this, decent soundcards were not really around - with the possible exception

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
Wombat;687356 Wrote: > Wasn´t there some fuzz about testing some differences with unplugging > the cable completely and listening to the buffer? You may try this to > rest this case for once and for all. Yeah - I've been urging people to try this and as far as I know, those who have tried report

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread Wombat
Wasn´t there some fuzz about testing some differences with unplugging the cable completely and listening to the buffer? You may try this to rest this case for once and for all. -- Wombat Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-30 Thread Covenant
I have just ripped out cat6 shielded and replaced it with cat5e unshielded. The shielded stuff was causing major interference problems with my headphone amplifier. -- Covenant Covenant's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;687345 Wrote: > Somewhwat less than that. But i think you can buy a klimax renew for > about £3.5k on ebay > which i think is the same machine in a cheaper box. > > Anyway all this is by the by on a squeezebox forum. why not consider a > Wriss dac 202 which is pretty much state of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread adamdea
pandasharka;687334 Wrote: > Many thanks for your detailed response - lots to take in there! > So right at the start you suggest something like a Linn Klimax or > similar could be reasonable value. > At a RRP of c.15k I'd suggest it's poor value. > Somewhwat less than that. But i think you can bu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-01-30 Thread maggior
cliveb;687037 Wrote: > > c). You are some kind of weirdo (like me) who actually enjoys the vinyl > ripping process. > I was once that weirdo too :-). Now I just don't have that kind of time...plus I've transferred all the vinyl I wanted to. I started doing this around the same time as you.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread pandasharka
adamdea;687308 Wrote: > Actually I think a Linn Klimax might be a fairly reasonable buy. That is > quite a different thing from saying it is likely to be better than a SBT > into a good dac. > > One real problem with audiophiles and digital is that audiophuiles have > bult up a lot of gut instin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
chill;687331 Wrote: > Hehe - Again (!), not aimed at anyone in particular. Perhaps I should > have said "rather than ME hijacking Pandasharka's thread.". I must > take more care with my phrasing. As must we all :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread chill
Phil Leigh;687329 Wrote: > Sorry I had no intention of hijacking Pandasharka's thread - thanks for > the new thread. > regards > Phil Hehe - Again (!), not aimed at anyone in particular. Perhaps I should have said "rather than ME hijacking Pandasharka's thread.". I must take more care with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
chill;687320 Wrote: > This seems like a good topic for another thread. Rather than hijacking > Pandasharka's thread here, I've started another one in the DIY > section. > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93330 Sorry I had no intention of hijacking Pandasharka's thread - thanks

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread chill
Phil Leigh;687310 Wrote: > (agreeing wildly with Adamdea) > Can we have a 6-channel Touch please - or a method of perfectly syncing > 3 Touches - so I can implement a 3-way x-over alongside/within Inguz... > > I'd love that; DRC'd and x-overed/filtered (?) 3 streams into 3 > identical DAC's into

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread adamdea
Would an ethernet optocoupler be the solution? Or will it be argued that the conversion from fibre to electrical creates more noise? -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread adamdea
HumanMedia;687295 Wrote: > So this is your suggestion? > Just bitter unhelpful sarcasm? > > You hadn't even read the OP where he, like me, already uses a wireless > bridge to connect to the Squeezbox. A bridge that is designed to > radiate RF and an ethernet cable connecting it to the Squeezebox

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread firedog
My experience is that the better the source fed to the DAC, the better it will sound. For instance, a high quality USB to SPDIF converter (Empirical, Audiophilleo, Berkeley, Wavelength) can make even a modest DAC comparable to some of the more expensive ones. I've heard the difference this can mak

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
(agreeing wildly with Adamdea) Can we have a 6-channel Touch please - or a method of perfectly syncing 3 Touches - so I can implement a 3-way x-over alongside/within Inguz... I'd love that; DRC'd and x-overed/filtered (?) 3 streams into 3 identical DAC's into 3 power amps... nice. When my system

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread adamdea
pandasharka;687286 Wrote: > OK so we're saying that a high end streamer from the likes of Linn will > not give significant sound benefit compared to SBT+ decent DAC? > > I'm relatively new into the digital space. I did spend a lot in the old > days on Linn with a high end Sondek front ended syst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
I forgot to mention... all of my ethernet cables have clamp-on ferrites at both ends... might be worth trying? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
HumanMedia;687295 Wrote: > So this is your suggestion? > Just bitter unhelpful sarcasm? > > You hadn't even read the OP where he, like me, already uses a wireless > bridge to connect to the Squeezbox. A bridge that is designed to > radiate RF and an ethernet cable connecting it to the Squeezebox

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread HumanMedia
adamdea;687290 Wrote: > > I suggest doing something which involves buying something new and quite > expensive which seems like the sort of thing an audiophile might have- I > reckon a wireless bridge plus linear psu plus some expensive audiophile > ethernet cable . Its going to have to cost lots

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread darrenyeats
It depends on your main speakers. If they go "sonically" deep to begin with like mine then you need to add a sub carefully. I have had a bit of a journey with my sub. In the end, reading the manufacturer's instructions worked best for me! In my case, positioning is the most important aspect. Unfo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread adamdea
It seems to me that OP is asking for a solution to a problem which A. May not exist B. may possibly exist but has not been identified. Let's park A for a minute having duly noted it. That still leaves B which is a biggy. If the problem was noise transmitted via the shield then the answer would

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread cunobelinus
On 30 Jan 2012, at 08:34, Phil Leigh wrote: > > vett93;687276 Wrote: >> My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound. >> However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good >> speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more >> inves

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread pandasharka
Ron Olsen;687265 Wrote: > If money is no object, buy the best-sounding, most expensive speakers > you can afford. Include a subwoofer if your main speakers don't have > deep bass response. Position speakers properly, do electronic and/or > acoustic room correction. Make sure your system has a hig

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
Celestion Sl-6 - measured very nicely, sounded alternately constipated and psychotically metallic to me (remember this is all personal taste) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Aud

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
vett93;687276 Wrote: > My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound. > However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good > speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more > investment than any piece of the electronics. > > If you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-01-30 Thread HumanMedia
I've also been wondering what garbage is coming in from the wireless extender through the Ethernet cable into the SBT and possibly out to my DAC. Not bad data but RF which may affect the jitter of the SBT and analog performance of the DAC. I thought that Ethernet cables of a specific type (eg CAT

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
cunobelinus;687271 Wrote: > On 29 Jan 2012, at 23:35, Phil Leigh wrote: > > > > > Archimago;687200 Wrote: > >> Many times in magazines like Stereophile, you see John Atkinson > measure > >> something poorly yet the subjective evaluator gives it an A for > sound. > >> > >> Have you seen cases

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-01-30 Thread vett93
My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound. However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more investment than any piece of the electronics. If you listen to Classical or Jazz music,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Equipment that measures beautifully but sounds bad???

2012-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
Archimago;687272 Wrote: > Phil, do you think this would be measurable today. For example, would > the Quads show poor waterfall results, and the old CD players > demonstrate accentuated high frequencies? I haven't really thought about that - I was thinking about the measurements used at the tim