Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
btw mr phil, my spare system is SBT>>mytek stereo 96 DA mic as shown above, and a little cheapie interface that I sometimes use for archival purposes(when I dont want to drag out the big rig) it is a steinberg c12. [image: http://www.mytekdigital.com/images/products%2072dpi/stereo96dac-72dpi.jp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
but yes, Mr. Phil.can you walk me through it? -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(stock(TT failed dbt)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K100 --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
Phil Leigh;688164 Wrote: > you need to study the very long thread that starts with this post... > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=532485&postcount=1 > I can ty and help you, but I only use Audiolense to do my measurements > and creat the convolution file. > It's a world of pain to ge

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
no issues at all(of course listening is required). Mine are set symmetrically, so the phase is set the same.. -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(stock(TT failed dbt)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K10

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
TheLastMan;688200 Wrote: > Yeah, somehow network music players (or even CD players) don't look so > purposeful do they? not at all! its another reason i like having my tt here...just not for listening most of the time! -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(stock(TT failed dbt)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klei

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread Daverz
I use ClickRepair for removing ticks and pops that a cleaning can't remove. It works extremely well (well, better at ticks than pops). I use it on a low setting (10). For track splitting, I do it by hand in audacity. If it's not obvious where the breaks go, then hopefully the record jacket has

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread totoro
magiccarpetride;688145 Wrote: > Calling someone a troll is not stating facts. It is an uncalled-for > personal attack. If the person behaves like a troll, pointing it out isn't an unwarranted attack. Reality isn't optional -- totoro sb3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Dumbest Thing Reviewers Say

2012-02-02 Thread RonM
Soulkeeper;687809 Wrote: > > For instance, some years ago a friend of mine mentioned that every time > he tried to pick the backing vocals in a song, in order to learn the > tune, he got into his old rusty Golf and drove around playing the track > on the car CD player. Now, neither this CD playe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
darrenyeats;688189 Wrote: > TheOctavist, > You are clearly a raving objectivist but am I the first to notice the > TT mods in your signature?! see the tt 3.0 thread. did loads of dbt today. no difference with or without, stock psu or linear. i jumped on tt bandwagon hastily. it provided no b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
SBGK;688182 Wrote: > Soundcheck, > > you have completely transformed my listening experience via the TT2.0 > mods and then TT3.0, keep up the good work, I am sure there are a lot > of people supporting you. The fact that you are annoying people who are > loathe to experiment, but have a theory f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread HumanMedia
superbonham;688072 Wrote: > And - at the risk of repeating myself - it's actually not "us" being > sceptical about influences of server tweaks or ethernet cable magic > that have to prove anything. The one claiming something that is not > obvious has to provide evidence; the less obvious (or the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread cunobelinus
On 3 Feb 2012, at 00:35, cunobeli...@mac.com wrote: > > On 2 Feb 2012, at 23:48, pski wrote: > >> >> TiredLegs;688202 Wrote: >>> Also, the fact that your speakers are specified to 40 Hz does not mean >>> that they have zero output below that frequency, it just means that the >>> output below

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox A/B/X testing?? Is there an app? Can someone dev one?

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
Phil Leigh;688166 Wrote: > I'm afraid the SNR may be beyond repair... :-( > How do envisage this abx app working? like the foobar app, or suumat -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(TT 3.0)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound D

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread cunobelinus
On 2 Feb 2012, at 23:48, pski wrote: > > TiredLegs;688202 Wrote: >> Also, the fact that your speakers are specified to 40 Hz does not mean >> that they have zero output below that frequency, it just means that the >> output below that frequency is reduced below whatever threshold they use >> in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox A/B/X testing?? Is there an app? Can someone dev one?

2012-02-02 Thread SuperQ
I've thought about this before. You could use it to ABX test various encodings/formats for lossy music. The problem is all the stuff I want to ABX is physical (speakers/placement), not software. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profil

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks

2012-02-02 Thread ralphpnj
If your bedroom system is a Bose Wave - you are one hell of an audiophile redneck. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread pski
TiredLegs;688202 Wrote: > Also, the fact that your speakers are specified to 40 Hz does not mean > that they have zero output below that frequency, it just means that the > output below that frequency is reduced below whatever threshold they use > in their spec. (The response falloff isn't necess

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Haha! More audiophile hilarity!

2012-02-02 Thread ralphpnj
chill;688065 Wrote: > I trust you saw the intended irony in my post. It struck me that we all > have a BS threshold, but it's set at a different level in each of us. To be honest I wasn't sure if you were being ironic or not. Thankfully my post worked with or without irony (but much better with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread darrenyeats
pski;688151 Wrote: > I did this test on my recent ScanSpeak build and the pink noise raising > 71db, there was a jump from 84 to 88db at 35hz. Madisound had said Bass > Box 6 Pro predicted an F3 of 35.5hz. I guess the ScanSpeak specs are > fairly accurate. > > Interestingly (it can only be envir

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-02-02 Thread evdplancke
Phil Leigh;688009 Wrote: > Can you explain your problem again - are you getting interference from > the ethernet cable that is audible through your speakers? I am using Audioengine a2 active speakers for both SBT and my PC. When I use cat7 cable to the SBT and the PC jack is plugged in the a2,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread SBGK
soundcheck;688054 Wrote: > evdplanke has finally proven there is no difference. > phil has proven there is no difference. > > We're all happy now. We can close that case. > > > Why don't you guys cut it and run your show at your own playground? > > > > Bottom line - I don't have to prove a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-02-02 Thread darrenyeats
TheOctavist;688143 Wrote: > single subs are never adequate. you need multiples. > > http://www.audiokinesis.com/product_ak_swarm.html > > The main obstacles to natural-sounding bass reproduction are the > inevitable room interactions, which impose large peaks and dips on the > bass response. B

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread mlsstl
magiccarpetride;688111 Wrote: > That's true, but the way you put it, sounds like you feel that it could > be a problem. Why? > > The reason we go into hobbies is precisely to cultivate > obsessive-compulsive disorders. That way, life becomes laced with > spice. Otherwise, you may just as well ob

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread cunobelinus
On 2 Feb 2012, at 15:43, pski wrote: > > cunobelinus;688016 Wrote: >> >> You could check the roll off, if you wanted to, using this: >> >> http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm >> >> and a Radioshack SPL. Only a rough guide but might be interesting >> nevertheless. > > A bit of missing in th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread Deaf Cat
Phil Leigh;688160 Wrote: > The data in the music file always passes through LMS Thought it may have done, just wanted to check, Thank you! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
Deaf Cat;688155 Wrote: > Hope not too far off topic, just wondering a couple of things: > > Does anyone know the actual route of the music file? > > As in, LMC pc with internal D: music full hard drive, music file off > the drive, through LMC, to my router, over the air to my other router, > do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread ralphpnj
Phil Leigh;688174 Wrote: > ALL 5k aolid state amps are. 200£ amps in fancy boxes. It's the box that > costs For valve amps you can at le ast treble the parts cost - good > output transformers and valves are expensive. I don't think so. I own a very nice $5,000 power amp which is definitely not a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread rgro
TheOctavist;688139 Wrote: > Need walked through this. this is for my living room. I have a HQ mic, > preamps, etc, and a nice DAW...but I have no idea how to implement this > in squeezebox. > > anyone? Since it appears you may be running LMS on your Vortexbox, as am I, I recall asking that que

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
TheOctavist;688143 Wrote: > single subs are never adequate. you need multiples. > > http://www.audiokinesis.com/product_ak_swarm.html > > The main obstacles to natural-sounding bass reproduction are the > inevitable room interactions, which impose large peaks and dips on the > bass response. B

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Haha! More audiophile hilarity!

2012-02-02 Thread TiredLegs
Phil Leigh;687825 Wrote: > For a healthy dose of hilarity, try reading almost anything Noel Keywood > writes about digital audio in Hi-Fi World. Hilarious. For someone who > professes to be an engineer (or at least have an engineering-based > approach) he is off with the fairies most of the time

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread pski
darrenyeats;688185 Wrote: > Bear in mind the SPL meter measures the total SPL, not the SPL at the > frequency you happen to be interested in. For example, for a 10Hz input > tone there will be a lot of distortion output so the measurement doesn't > describe just the 10Hz fundamental... > Darren

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
TheOctavist;688138 Wrote: > it isn't malicious to state facts..or to try to teach those that are > ignorant. it is for their own good. (and for the good of those who will > be led like rats (the new naive guys) by people like you and SBGK > wailing about shakti stones and server optimizations. )

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread TheLastMan
TheOctavist;688136 Wrote: > nah.. > I like my SOTA Sapphire much better. > Yeah, somehow network music players (or even CD players) don't look so purposeful do they? -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS10

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
this is not for my "main" system(vortexbox) but for my living room, which has a PC. so..how to set it up on the PC/LMS? -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(TT 3.0)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K100

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread rgro
Found it http://vortexbox.org/threads/2821-Installing-Inguz-on-VBA-and-SBS?highlight=inguz+installation -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Touch (wired) via optical > Rega DAC > LFD LE IV Signature amp > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks

2012-02-02 Thread steveinaz
- If you think "tube rolling" is something you do on a hill with large diameter sewer pipeyou might be an audio redneck. -- steveinaz - transport: squeezebox touch/channel island audio ps - dac: benchmark dac/pre - linestage: placette passive - power amplifier: parasound hca-1500a - speake

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device that makes the sound sound better?

2012-02-02 Thread TiredLegs
Mnyb;685955 Wrote: > Q- tips ? ^This! -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93205

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox A/B/X testing?? Is there an app? Can someone dev one?

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
TheOctavist;688162 Wrote: > id love that, sure many others would too. > > would help the SNR here... > > > who are the heavy hitting developers I could propose this to? I'm afraid the SNR may be beyond repair... :-( How do envisage this abx app working? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
you need to study the very long thread that starts with this post... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=532485&postcount=1 I can ty and help you, but I only use Audiolense to do my measurements and creat the convolution file. It's a world of pain to get working but once working it is sup

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread cunobelinus
On 2 Feb 2012, at 14:49, pski wrote: > the zerostat gun. > By "always" I mean even before CD's. The zerostat de-statics TV's and > monitors as well. Probably my father's coolest gadget (circa 1968?) applied liberally before placement on the Garrard 301. I'm looking at the very one right now.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
RGibran;688060 Wrote: > You want to hear differences? Then you will! > > You don't want to hear differences? Then you won't! > > It works both ways folks. > > Just sayin' > > RG Absolutely not true. I once purchased a very expensive set of interconnects, and I was incredibly hyped up expec

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
single subs are never adequate. you need multiples. http://www.audiokinesis.com/product_ak_swarm.html The main obstacles to natural-sounding bass reproduction are the inevitable room interactions, which impose large peaks and dips on the bass response. By using multiple subs spread asymmetrical

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;688091 Wrote: > I don;t really understand what you mean by "at 8ft". You can hear down > to 20Hz. Are you asking whether it is possible to generate frequencies > below a certain level in an 8ft room? I don;t know the answer to that > question but I think so. If there is a limitation I thi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread Deaf Cat
Hope not too far off topic, just wondering a couple of things: Does anyone know the actual route of the music file? As in, LMC pc with internal D: music full hard drive, music file off the drive, through LMC, to my router, over the air to my other router, down the cable to my SBT. If the music

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread cliveb
cunobelinus;688073 Wrote: > You can transfer a 45 minute LP in 15 minutes? That's a neat trick. Surely TheLastMan means that it takes an extra 15 mins on top of the time to do the actual recording. cunobelinus;688073 Wrote: > It tends to take me 45 minutes, plus the time it takes to clean, set

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread darrenyeats
I don't think there's a lower limit based on room dimensions. However, smaller dimensions mean room modes at higher frequencies (and harmonics more spaced out and therefore noticeable) which make it harder to notice the deeper sfuff. Standing waves are caused by reflections: damp the bass and the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
ralphpnj;688169 Wrote: > Good point but I can't answer that question. Now of course if one $5,000 > amp was some flea powered tube amp and the other amp a 200 watt per > channel solid state model, well then all bets are off. > > And of course since we're talking about high end audio, a third $5,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread adamdea
Jeff Flowerday;688058 Wrote: > I knew I should have been much more specific, my mistake for putting my > speaker specs in the post. > > I wasn't asking for speaker placement advice, I wasn't asking for sub > suggestions and I wasn't asking about room treatment. > > What is the math, giving my c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread superbonham
musicom;688106 Wrote: > > If one were to compare based on the data rate alone, CD beats mp3 as it > has a data rate of 141 kbps vs 128 k for the mp3. > Just a small correction (might have been a typo): CD has a data rate of 1411 kbit/s (44100 x 2 x 16 bit per second); that's the effective dat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread TiredLegs
magiccarpetride;688107 Wrote: > There seems to be a lot of so-called psycho acoustics at play regarding > these things. For example, my Maggies are spec-ed at going down to 40 > hz. However, when I play "Another Brick In The Wall" by Pink Floyd, I > can hear, loud and clear, the low D on the det

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread pski
Phil Leigh;688174 Wrote: > ALL 5k aolid state amps are. 200£ amps in fancy boxes. It's the box that > costs For valve amps you can at le ast treble the parts cost - good > output transformers and valves are expensive. Ignorance is bliss: I've always been impressed with Mark Levinson power amps (

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread pski
cunobelinus;688016 Wrote: > On 2 Feb 2012, at 03:13, Jeff Flowerday wrote: > > > > > My current floor standing speakers are +-3db to 40hz but will extend > > down to 33hz as per specifications. Who knows how much roll off. > > You could check the roll off, if you wanted to, using this: > > h

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
Soulkeeper;688089 Wrote: > But I hope that the difference between two $5000 power amps is smaller > than the difference between two $200 power amps. There ought to be some > kind of standard (and I think there is, at least to some degree). actually there isn't much difference at all between ANY

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread ralphpnj
Soulkeeper;688089 Wrote: > But I hope that the difference between two $5000 power amps is smaller > than the difference between two $200 power amps. There ought to be some > kind of standard (and I think there is, at least to some degree). Good point but I can't answer that question. Now of cour

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread pski
Interesting opinions on cleaning. I've always used a discwasher and D3 after the zerostat gun. A quick google just now shows they still sell these guns though they are considerably more expensive than my antique. By "always" I mean even before CD's. The zerostat de-statics TV's and monitors as we

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread pski
cunobelinus;688016 Wrote: > On 2 Feb 2012, at 03:13, Jeff Flowerday wrote: > > > > > My current floor standing speakers are +-3db to 40hz but will extend > > down to 33hz as per specifications. Who knows how much roll off. > > You could check the roll off, if you wanted to, using this: > > h

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox A/B/X testing?? Is there an app? Can someone dev one?

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
id love that, sure many others would too. would help the SNR here... who are the heavy hitting developers I could propose this to? -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(TT 3.0)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Li

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread evdplancke
Bytec;687992 Wrote: > I use foobar2000 ABX Comparator for such purposes. > http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_abx I was using the Touch with a mix of local flac files with their Spotify premium equivalent version in one single playlist. -- evdplancke -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;688107 Wrote: > So apparently the brain plays all kinds of trickery on us while we're > listening... As people on this forum have been trying to explain to you for quite a while. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Ba

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
magiccarpetride;688111 Wrote: > T > But in the world of audio, there is so much maliciousness as this > sector seems to attract many broken, maladjusted individuals who have > obvious difficulties socializing. At least us guitar heads are > gregarious, we like to congregate and talk shop, play so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Dumbest Thing Reviewers Say

2012-02-02 Thread ralphpnj
Phil Leigh;688092 Wrote: > 1) 1988 - head of Engineering and head of Marketing(!) came to install > my new Linn Aktive system (one the first 10 installed ever)- OK so it > wasn't Ivor himself, but I was impressed!. They spent the whole evening > playing vinyl after they had ripped the speakers ap

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Dumbest Thing Reviewers Say

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
ralphpnj;688141 Wrote: > So did you write a rave review? Did you pay the reviewer's price for the > Aktive system? > > If you answered "no" to either question you now know why Ivor didn't > lend a hand. No and I paid full price which was a lot then! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Dumbest Thing Reviewers Say

2012-02-02 Thread ralphpnj
Back on Topic: My two favorite things are: 1) "Mr. (insert manufacturer's name) came to my house to help with the proper set up." When was the last the owner of the company came to your house to help you with set up? 2) "I liked the equipment so much that I bought the review model." Okay but wo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread adamdea
RGibran;688060 Wrote: > You want to hear differences? Then you will! > > You don't want to hear differences? Then you won't! > > It works both ways folks. > > Just sayin' > > RG Just what JJ says in the famous audio myths workshop at 2' 41" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ So it'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread darrenyeats
TheOctavist;688138 Wrote: > it isn't malicious to state facts..or to try to teach those that are > ignorant. it is for their own good. (and for the good of those who will > be led like rats (the new naive guys) by people like you and SBGK > wailing about shakti stones and server optimizations. )

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread superbonham
RGibran;688060 Wrote: > You want to hear differences? Then you will! > > You don't want to hear differences? Then you won't! > > It works both ways folks. > > Just sayin' > > RG Totally agreed. That's why one should actually strive for a reasonable comprehensible explanation or meaningfull

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
TheLastMan;688120 Wrote: > > If this does not make you drool you are not a true "audiophile" ;) > http://www.sme.ltd.uk/content/Model-203a-Review-hifi-news-1587.shtml nah.. I like my SOTA Sapphire much better. [image: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f88340133f575943d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread rgro
musicom;688106 Wrote: > http://www.mediatechnics.com/cdaudio.htm > > http://www.uaudio.com/blog/understanding-audio-data-compression/ > > If one were to compare based on the data rate alone, CD beats mp3 as it > has a data rate of 141 kbps vs 128 k for the mp3. But the most > important limita

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Dumbest Thing Reviewers Say

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Leigh
ralphpnj;688063 Wrote: > Back on Topic: > > My two favorite things are: > > 1) "Mr. (insert manufacturer's name) came to my house to help with the > proper set up." When was the last the owner of the company came to your > house to help you with set up? > > 2) "I liked the equipment so much th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sighted tests

2012-02-02 Thread ralphpnj
I think that this old song by Jimmy Soul says it best. If You Want To Be Happy (for The Rest Of Your Life): Hey hey hey hey hey If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty women your wife Go for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you If you wanna be happ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection

2012-02-02 Thread Stratmangler
evdplancke;687998 Wrote: > What is then wrong in my setup? My switch is directly connected to the > Touch? How should I ground the shielding if neither the switch or the > Touch have a ground pole on their plug? This is a good page to read http://www.lanshack.com/cat6a.aspx Chris :) -- Strat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
mlsstl;687974 Wrote: > It's way too easy in this hobby to become obsessive/compulsive over the > equipment. That's true, but the way you put it, sounds like you feel that it could be a problem. Why? The reason we go into hobbies is precisely to cultivate obsessive-compulsive disorders. That way

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread garym
superbonham;688118 Wrote: > ... overlapping posts ... > > If you take a high-definition master recording at 96kHz/24 bit stereo > (~ 4,600 kbit/s) and compare it with a 256 kbit/s mp3 (which you might > consider "industry-standard" these days) this actually holds true (at > least approximately).

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread adamdea
Soulkeeper;687996 Wrote: > I don't think I even want to try that. Don't want to risk my ears > disappointing me. ;) I agree. Spotify and BBC 3 HD sound quality is scarily good. I thank darren's right that there is sound evidenced for 128kbps, bt above that hm IIRC I'm not sure there is a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread adamdea
Jeff Flowerday;688098 Wrote: > Does the 56ft wave length @ 20Hz not play into things when you are only > 8 feet from the source? You might be feeling it but your probably not > really hearing it, or am I wrong. Err I'm not quite sure about this but i think that if your room is entirely rigid th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
Jeff Flowerday;687976 Wrote: > One of the other threads had some discussions in regards to low end and > indications that you may or may not be missing something if your > speakers or speakers plus subwoofer won't go down to 25-35hz. > > My current floor standing speakers are +-3db to 40hz but w

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
Need walked through this. this is for my living room. I have a HQ mic, preamps, etc, and a nice DAW...but I have no idea how to implement this in squeezebox. anyone? -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(TT 3.0)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread magiccarpetride
garym;688110 Wrote: > As people on this forum have been trying to explain to you for quite a > while. Oh, I thought it was just my brain playing trickery on me. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?

2012-02-02 Thread TheOctavist
Ron Olsen;687265 Wrote: > If money is no object, buy the best-sounding, most expensive speakers > you can afford. Include a subwoofer if your main speakers don't have > deep bass response. Position speakers properly, do electronic and/or > acoustic room correction. Make sure your system has a hig

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-02 Thread Jeff Flowerday
pski;688082 Wrote: > Jeff, > > You gave the roll off. While the makers may say +-3db, it's almost > always minus. This is also known as F3 and it's the frequency where the > output has dropped by half (over simplified.) Each 3db doubles (or > halves) the output so F6 would be 1/4 of the output,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread RGibran
carp;688025 Wrote: > IMHO the best argument in this long thread! You want to hear differences? Then you will! You don't want to hear differences? Then you won't! It works both ways folks. Just sayin' RG -- RGibran

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread ghostrider
If you can't explain how it works, you can't say it doesn't.—The High-End Creed -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/show

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sighted tests

2012-02-02 Thread chill
adamdea;688049 Wrote: > Perhaps the audiophile forum could be divided into 3 subforums: > a. fruitcake > > b. troll > > c other. ...and we get put in the appropriate one by majority voting of our peers! -- chill chil

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread superbonham
rgro;688112 Wrote: > There was an article on the CNN website the other day about Neil Young > and his quest for hi-def music re. Apple. > > http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/31/tech/web/neil-young-apple-high-def-music/index.html > > According to the article (and I have no verification of this), > "Ind

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread Soulkeeper
carp;688025 Wrote: > imho the best argument in this long thread! -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevice

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread TheLastMan
cunobelinus;688073 Wrote: > Automatic track division tends to be very dodgy indeed with classical - > the bulk of my music. I'll try VinylStudio again and see if it works > now, but it certainly didn't last time. > You are right, track breaks tend to be a lot less obvious in classical music. As

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread musicom
magiccarpetride;687901 Wrote: > Another audio myth: red book CDs somehow better sounding than 128 kbps > mp3. Where's the evidence to support such outlandish claims? http://www.mediatechnics.com/cdaudio.htm http://www.uaudio.com/blog/understanding-audio-data-compression/ If one were to compare

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-02-02 Thread garym
adamdea;688048 Wrote: > Perhaps the current personality inhabiting MCR would like to check out > Hydrogen audio where i am sure the information resides. He can read there, but would have trouble posting. hydrogenaudio is well moderated and almost every post MCR has made here would have been tras

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread soundcheck
Phil Leigh;688021 Wrote: > > > People really should read this excellent post: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=687942&postcount=1 You proved that post to be wrong with your own measurements !!! Forgotten about it. Perhaps you should redo them. Some comments about yo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread TheLastMan
cliveb;687573 Wrote: > Vinyl surface noise (apart from big clicks) didn't bother me either back > then, but once I started using CD it did begin to annoy me.I find a few minor > crackles between tracks strangely comforting in a nostalgic kind of way. As long as there are no loud "pops" I rarely

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread carp
soundcheck;688031 Wrote: > Finally I can freeze my TT4.0 actvities and my W7 tuning tool > development. I understand that it can be disappointing to discover that after all that time that you spent on these activities there may be no success, no gratitude... but hey, that's life! Perhaps you shou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread soundcheck
evdplanke has finally proven there is no difference. phil has proven there is no difference. We're all happy now. We can close that case. Why don't you guys cut it and run your show at your own playground? Bottom line - I don't have to prove anything, nor I've to explain anything. Why shou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread soundcheck
chill;688002 Wrote: > 5 reasons? Wow - for someone who can't offer ONE reason why it won't > work, that's quite demanding. Shouldn't one good reason be enough? > > Anyway, here's a weak attempt to split the one good reason into 5. > > > > Reason 1: If you disconnect the ethernet cable, the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sighted tests

2012-02-02 Thread mhaas
I think this thread should be deleted. The analogy is tasteless and offensive. -- mhaas mhaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40657 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread Soulkeeper
RGibran;688060 Wrote: > You want to hear differences? Then you will! > > You don't want to hear differences? Then you won't! > > It works both ways folks. So you're basically saying that it's -all- in the listener's head? Most people here don't take it that far, and I personally believe I wou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-02 Thread superbonham
Dear soundcheck, this is REALLY getting annoying - and I have to admit that's not easy for me to stay polite (but I will try my best). It is really like talking to a 1-year-old that does not understand the basic concepts of reason-based discussion. It also seems that it won't ever be possible to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Haha! More audiophile hilarity!

2012-02-02 Thread chill
ralphpnj;688061 Wrote: > Could you please arrange for Synergistic Research to send me a > Tranquility Base for evaluation. I just don't happen to have $3,000 > laying around at the moment. I promise to report back on this forum > that people should not waste their hard earned money on this total

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences

2012-02-02 Thread Jeff Flowerday
Vinyl noise annoys the crap out of me. I manually clean everything that I care about. I have a few bootleg LPs that are only worth an automatic declicking. What annoys me more is when you hear clicks and noises on modern accurately ripped CDs, where is the quality control? It's not often but s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread adamdea
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have reached the same conclusion as you, but my particular take on it is that the starting point has to be the recognition that music sounds different every time you hear it, and that you have to be very wary about attributing that change to a change in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests

2012-02-02 Thread mlsstl
vett93;687978 Wrote: > Were you comparing SBT's analog output vs. Lavry DAC's output? Did you > use the stock PSU for SBT? > > What are the rest of your components? Correct. SBT analog out against the SB3/Lavry combo. And I use the stock power supply. (I've tried linear supplies and didn't find

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