Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
naamanf;690656 Wrote: > Yup it works! And sounds horrible! > > I must have not done such a great job on the correction filter. I used > the Inguz method with DRC. Is audiolense worth the cheese? What microphone did you use? You need to use a GOOD flat mic, preferably one that is calibrated. Can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread TheOctavist
Triode;690632 Wrote: > I think some of the TT mods can be made to work with the approach in the > blind tester, others which require a reboot can't easily though I am > willing to consider extending the app so state it persits across > reboots. However I do think its a valuable way to understand

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread TheOctavist
guidof;690604 Wrote: > IME it all depends on the low frequency extension of your main speakers > AND the careful matching of that to the sub's crossover. > > It also helps to have a way of taming LF room modes, either by bass > traps or DSP. > > If your sub's crossover is set sufficiently low

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread jfo
darrenyeats;690647 Wrote: > I was at a Pink Floyd concert (1994 at Earl's Court). > > Everything about the sound was incredible, even from half way back in > the huge arena, high up on one side! One, low distortion: I could hear > backing singers individually and each instrument distinctly, much

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread Jeff Flowerday
naamanf;690656 Wrote: > Yup it works! And sounds horrible! > > I must have not done such a great job on the correction filter. I used > the Inguz method with DRC. Is audiolense worth the cheese? I'm intrigued but also skeptical about something messing with the audio before. It looks like audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread naamanf
Phil Leigh;690640 Wrote: > Changes only happen if you stop/start or change track... It doesnt work > like a normal "tone control" because of the buffering in the player... > > Check the file called log.txt on your LMS server... It should have some > debug information in there that will confirm w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread darrenyeats
Phil Leigh;690626 Wrote: > Mine kicks in at 28hz... I was at a Pink Floyd concert (1994 at Earl's Court). Everything about the sound was incredible, even from half way back in the huge arena, high up on one side! One, low distortion: I could hear backing singers individually and each instrument

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
naamanf;690636 Wrote: > Not to thread jack, but what is the trick to get Inguz to actually > perform to audio corrections. I'm running LMS 7.7.1 on W7. Everything > looks like it's working but it doesn't actually change the sound. All > the test tones work though. Changes only happen if you stop

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread naamanf
Not to thread jack, but what is the trick to get Inguz to actually perform to audio corrections. I'm running LMS 7.7.1 on W7. Everything looks like it's working but it doesn't actually change the sound. All the test tones work though. -- naamanf -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread Triode
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;690624 Wrote: > I filter my sub at 50hz that's a good compromise to my main speakers > filter is steep and some DRC DSP is applied, my sub is actually placed > more like a speaker and not close to boundary( to use that effect) that > actually makes it easier to blend in but demands more outp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread Mnyb
I filter my sub at 50hz that's a good compromise to my main speakers filter is steep and some DRC DSP is applied, my sub is actually placed more like a speaker and not close to boundary( to use that effect) that actually makes it easier to blend in but demands more output from it. But I rarely pla

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread darrenyeats
sckramer;690015 Wrote: > Looks like a nice sub! > > You should do a pair of subs, if you run a stereo signal into a single > sub, you can actually get some cancellation-- I agree you can get cancellation between channels but I question whether two subs will improve things significantly for this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread sckramer
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?

2012-02-14 Thread Wombat
I even still like the original sound of the first release. It sounds a bit thin and you really have to turn it up but it is still one of better recordings out there. You may check if you have an early cd version that was sold with pre-emphasis and apply de-emphasis. Not sure but on several ripping

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
evdplancke;690599 Wrote: > The ugly thing therein is that one will again tell that the medium makes > the difference and wrongly conclude that it's hires that best reproduces > the good old analog vinyl sound. Sorry you are absolutely right, I should have said "fortunately, the mastering on the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?

2012-02-14 Thread adamdea
wow thanks very much- this is really interesting. Please say thank you from me. I shall have a good read and properly digest it before asked any dumb questions back. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread Mnyb
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread Soundman
TheOctavist;690485 Wrote: > why dont you guys come to the touch forum and participate in Triodes > blind testing app? It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting Touch". The TT-mods always require a restar

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread guidof
IME it all depends on the low frequency extension of your main speakers AND the careful matching of that to the sub's crossover. It also helps to have a way of taming LF room modes, either by bass traps or DSP. If your sub's crossover is set sufficiently low (30-40Hz, depending on slope), one s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?

2012-02-14 Thread evdplancke
Phil Leigh;690585 Wrote: > Fortunately the DVD-A is rather good.. :-) The ugly thing therein is that one will again tell that the medium makes the difference and wrongly conclude that it's hires that best reproduces the good old analog vynil sound. -- evdplancke

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;690592 Wrote: > Is it also necessary to apply your amended plugin.pm and index as per > the zip file you posted > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=633051&postcount=317 Yep! - do that first. I actually now use a hacked (by me) version of plugin.pm that disables ALL of the cu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
Robb_G;690590 Wrote: > Phil, > > Regarding your point above, is it true that the Touch will sound better > than the Duet even when feeding an external DAC via optical cable? > > The reason I ask is that I have a well regarded DAC (Audio-gd NFB-2) > that I currently have connected to a Duet rece

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread adamdea
Is it also necessary to apply your amended plugin.pm and index as per the zip file you posted http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=633051&postcount=317 -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread Robb_G
Phil Leigh;690584 Wrote: > Please note that the Touch without TT sounds better than the Duet > anyway. Phil, Regarding your point above, is it true that the Touch will sound better than the Duet even when feeding an external DAC via optical cable? The reason I ask is that I have a well regarde

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?

2012-02-14 Thread Jeff Flowerday
sckramer;690015 Wrote: > Looks like a nice sub! > > You should do a pair of subs, if you run a stereo signal into a single > sub, you can actually get some cancellation-- You guys are evil. :) -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Fl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
Soulkeeper;690569 Wrote: > Talking about Dire Straits, it was AB listening to Brothers in Arms that > once had me convinced that vinyl was vastly superior to CD. It took a > while before I understood that it wasn't the medium, it was the War On > Sound. > > Still can't bring myself to listen to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
mrbanks;690512 Wrote: > Is there a version for Squeezebox Duet? > > //Thanks No. The Duet uses proprietary firmware on its XILINX chip and cannot be easily hacked. Even if it could, the TT changes are not relevant to the Duet hardware/firmware. Please note that the Touch without TT sounds bette

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;690559 Wrote: > Will do. > As I understand it the custom convert file was to make everything get > converted to a single format 24/96 flac by sox prior to inguz. > You can do it using a text editor to insert your mac address into phils > file. > > I'm sure phil can explain better. This

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by "listening"= failure.

2012-02-14 Thread Phil Leigh
Archimago;690548 Wrote: > LOL, hilarious interview. > > This part is interesting: > "PQ: It's not a question of digital or analog, because in CD's the > music is still stored as a continuous, if some what squared, sine wave, > in the form of ones and zeros. The CD does not break up the signal at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HTPC vs Squeezebox?

2012-02-14 Thread c-eling
Thanks for the info! ,Much appreciated :) -- c-eling c-eling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93593

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HTPC vs Squeezebox?

2012-02-14 Thread Mnyb
probably no difference but, as all reasonably good digital sources sound the same: HTPC depends on the audio sound system of your OS investigate asio drivers and kernel streaming and similar issues if it is windows. sound quality can depend on computer performance OS may re-sample or invoke volum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?

2012-02-14 Thread Soulkeeper
Talking about Dire Straits, it was AB listening to Brothers in Arms that once had me convinced that vinyl was vastly superior to CD. It took a while before I understood that it wasn't the medium, it was the War On Sound. Still can't bring myself to listen to the CD, though. It sounds like the dr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HTPC vs Squeezebox?

2012-02-14 Thread Soulkeeper
I doubt that anyone here has done a comparison on -your- system ... ;p So I think you'll have to try it out for yourself. But if you're using an external DAC (like the Onkyo's) for both the SB Touch and the HTPC, don't expect much of a difference sound-wise. -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-02-14 Thread Mnyb
mrbanks;690512 Wrote: > Is there a version for Squeezebox Duet? > > //Thanks No. The reciever part is not open source ,squeezeplay and squeezeos run only on the controller in duet. The os of the Reciever is some kind of propriotary ubicom ip3k stuff ?? who knows how that work. -- Mnyb ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!

2012-02-14 Thread adamdea
TheOctavist;690498 Wrote: > jesus, how do I change the custom convert files? where are the > directions? what does this do? > > have not done the AL yet...will shortly. moving my KH speakers in here > first.. > > btw, Adam, why dont you participate in Triodes blind listening app(in > the touch

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by "listening"= failure.

2012-02-14 Thread Mnyb
I was thinking about the topic. Why there is no more thorough deconstruction of specific products/claims. 1. The level of disinformation is close to 100% almost the whole audio press are into to the scam or fooled by it, you cant get through. so it is futile to even try 2. The claims by voodoo