Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread aubuti
LarsHP wrote: > As I said - I am no computer engineer, but my statement was regarding > timing in the digital domain in general, not certain parts of the > digital domain. Then I really don't understand why you specified a certain part of the digital domain, i.e., -"From my point of view a differ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread kiat
I've done a comparison of LMS on the following 1) ReadyNas Duo - LMS 7.7.x, RAM 1GB 2) Dell Latitude E6420, Win7, 8GB (network drive to ReadyNas Duo) Squeezebox touch with TT3.0 installed all running on wired network I find the Squeezebox sounds better with LMS running on Duo. Sounds clean an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread guidof
Triode wrote: > Can you confirm the same is true between the two jive_alsa's files I > attached (which are the same as in the two downloads) > > > Please restart the squeezeplay application with: > > /etc/init.d/squeezeplay restart > > Can you confirm the actual buffer sizes this is using (se

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread aubuti
darrell wrote: > If I were starting from scratch, I'd get the mini-pc and a large USB > disk, and forget about the NAS. I agree completely. You can get a lot more processing power per dollar (or pound or euro) with a small form factor pc than with a NAS. The pc also tends to be more flexible when

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread cfraser
^ I thought it *was* galvanically isolated. Maybe not though, just the usual transformers. I do not have any quality glass Toslink cables anymore, so can't really test that option fairly (it sounds "dead" with the "best" Toslink I still do have). However, we are only comparing different versions

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread darrell
I don't know that I have a high-end system, more "mid-end" by some people's standards - Cambridge Audio 840C CD/DAC, Naim Nait XS and Dynaudio Contour 1.3mk2. There is no difference in sound quality between using a ReadyNAS Sparc-based NAS, an atom-based mini-pc or an Intel Core-i5 laptop. As othe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread Jeff Flowerday
cfraser wrote: > > My BDA-1 DAC buffers and reclocks inputs (no upsampling) so you'd think > that theoretically that particular interface shouldn't have an effect > with EDO versions...but I don't know positively. Galvanized isolation? Differences in noise created and passed on by the touch?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread cfraser
guidof wrote: > I have done extensive comparisons of EDO 0.6 and 0.7 and for the most > part agree with your impressions. I have not done extensive listening with 0.6, mostly with 0.5 and then 0.7 when it arrived; 0.6 "came and went" so fast that I never even got to install it before 0.7 was the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread lake_eleven
JohnSwenson wrote: > When changing files the changes go into a RAM buffer rather than > immediately onto the disk (flash in this case). When the buffer gets > full it gets written to the disk. Thus if you make changes to files and > just unplug the Touch those changes do not get written to the di

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread Triode
guidof wrote: > I have done extensive comparisons of EDO 0.6 and 0.7 and for the most > part agree with your impressions. > Can you confirm the same is true between the two jive_alsa's files I attached (which are the same as in the two downloads) > > For me and with my system, EDO 0.6 + TT3.0

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread JohnSwenson
lake_eleven wrote: > I deleted the existing jive_alsa. Copied 0.6 version, changed the file > access, then rebooted. Am I missing the "sync", Not sure what is this > "sync" step. When changing files the changes go into a RAM buffer rather than immediately onto the disk (flash in this case). When

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations

2012-05-24 Thread Phileas
Can I add AVI ADM40s to the list. I've just bought a pair and they're extraordinary (I had the ADM9Ts already). Phileas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20367 View this thread: http://forums.slimd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread lake_eleven
Jacky wrote: > I have also made exactly this before, however, has failed to me there > because I had forgotten the "sync" order after replacing jive_alsa > file. > > I deleted the existing jive_alsa. Copied 0.6 version, changed the file access, then rebooted. Am I missing the "sync", Not sure w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread Jacky
rgro wrote: > I've had this problem a few times and have always solved it by deleting > the jive_alsa file first and then dragging and dropping the new one in. > Don't know why this seems to happen with the jive_alsa file and not with > the other ones, but it does. I have also made exactly this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread guidof
cfraser wrote: > I still gotta say that 0.6 as heard here has something "special" to it. > I don't know how to describe it, but if the sound was an object I might > say "sophisticated/luxury". It feels very pleasant and personal. I have > some doubt about the accuracy of this sound, but I do like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone recommend a Cambridge Audio DacMagic...

2012-05-24 Thread jezbo
I'm happy with my Heed CanAmp so will go for the new DacMagic 100 I think - though I can't find the same level of enthusiasm in the reviews as in the previous version. jezbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread rgro
Jacky wrote: > How is it if I want to re-instal the first version 0.1? > > Apparently it does not go like with version EDO 0.6, in any case, I > tried with no success: jive_alsa will not substituted automatically! > And if I try to substitute jive_alsa manually via SSH by drag & drop at > user

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread jp73
If you get a has then get a fast one. Reason is that they are such great devices that you will start using them for other things as well. I got a synology 1511+ which is based on a 1,8 Ghz atom processor and I used it (as a test) to simultaneously stream different songs to 3 Squeezebox Boom's 1 S

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread garym
Mnyb wrote: > The ultra seems a popular choice . > > Competitors would be vortexbox, HP proliant microserver . > > A shuttle or other barebones small PC, some higher end Synology modell > . > > There are a bunch of plug computers and ARM based devices that are > popular , if one will sacrifice

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread Mnyb
LarsHP wrote: > As I said - I am no computer engineer, but my statement was regarding > timing in the digital domain in general, not certain parts of the > digital domain. > > Thanks to both of you guys for your quick replies. > > Do you think a ReadyNAS Ultra 2 RNDU2000 will do a good job? >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread garym
and regarding readynas (or almost any NAS), as has been pointed out, even when marketed as "very quiet", they are not at all the sort of thing you want to have in the listening room with you (i.e., they are quieter than your lawn mower, but NOT silent). But of course that's the beauty of the SB ap

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread garym
LarsHP wrote: > Do you think a ReadyNAS Ultra 2 RNDU2000 will do a good job? > As I understand, the NAS should preferably be x86 compatible ... There are users here that use the readynas ultra and report excellent results. My understanding is that the readynas ultra is an x86 machine (which is i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread Mnyb
garym wrote: > As aubuti correctly points out, there is no aspect of a datastream being > "precise" when it comes to TCP/IP getting the data from the computer/NAS > to the TOUCH via eithernet or WIFI. It either arrives or doesn't. If it > doesn't, there won't be subtle sound quality differences;

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread LarsHP
aubuti wrote: > Well it definitely does not play a role in the transmission of the data > via ethernet (or wifi) between the pc/NAS and the SB. TCP/IP has no > "timing" beyond making sure that enough data gets to the SB on time to > avoid dropouts (and keeping in mind the Touch's reasonably large

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread garym
aubuti wrote: > Well it definitely does not play a role in the transmission of the data > via ethernet (or wifi) between the pc/NAS and the SB. TCP/IP has no > "timing" beyond making sure that enough data gets to the SB on time to > avoid dropouts (and keeping in mind the Touch's reasonably large

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread Mnyb
Do a forum search this has been debated to no end :) the forum is full of them . But the gist of it is as long as the network can fill the players buffer it does not matter it is totally asynchronous . That is in fact one of the main points with having a squeezebox it's sound quality is totally d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread Soulkeeper
LarsHP wrote: > NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference? Short answer: No. A little longer answer: Everything written about jitter having any effect in this context is bullshit. Squeezeboxes are asynchroneous wrt to Ethernet. In fact, Ethernet is asynchroneous in its nature. So don't beli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread aubuti
LarsHP wrote: > Let's assume, that jitter does play a role in digital audio. Well it definitely does not play a role in the transmission of the data via ethernet (or wifi) between the pc/NAS and the SB. TCP/IP has no "timing" beyond making sure that enough data gets to the SB on time to avoid d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread garym
There is no difference. Understand that the entire point of the TOUCH is that there is NOTHING about the audio/sound card aspects of the computer or NAS that has anything to do with the audio reproduction of the TOUCH. Much of the discussion about sound quality and computers has been in the con

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread alfista
There are no relevant technical differences when it comes to delivering data to the SB between PC/Mac and NAS, some varieties of NAS are architecturally nearly identical to your average desktop PC. As long as it is powerful enough to deliver data at a fast enough rate there will be no difference.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?

2012-05-24 Thread LarsHP
I am considering a NAS instead of using my PC since I would like to be able to play music without having my laptop/PC turned on. At one forum I read someone saying that the sound from a PC/Mac based system was better (less jitter, I expect) than when running from a NAS or USB HDD to the SB Touch

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions

2012-05-24 Thread Jacky
How is it if I want to re-instal the first version 0.1? Apparently it does not go like with version EDO 0.6, in any case, I tried with no success: jive_alsa will not substituted automatically! And if I try to substitute jive_alsa manually via SSH by drag & drop at user/bin, the following te