Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Mnyb
Sorry for not sesrch out the links and bugs , im writing on my phone while traveling , im out in the sticks on a work project Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Mnyb
w3wilkes wrote: > I presume this is done by having LAME installed in LMS and then for each > player in Settings -> Player tab -> Audio in dropdown - Bitrate Limiting > to "No limit" and LAME Quality Level to "0 (Highest Quality, very > slow)"? > > Edit: What about software players like Squeezesl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread w3wilkes
Mnyb wrote: > And don't forget that the mp3 decoder in a squeezebox is slightly > compromised , you should decode with lame at the server for a fair > comparison ,the mp3 decoding at the squeezebox itself is not always > transparent not even at 320 Kbps . > ( there is a bug report for it, explain

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Mnyb
Archimago wrote: > Interesting comment about the MP3 decoding on the SB units. I assume the > ARM-based Touch/Radio should have better decoding algorithm than the > earlier SB3/Boom/Transporter IP3k-based devices? > > Indeed. Not all MP3 encoders were created equal so one can't say modern > LAME

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Archimago
Mnyb wrote: > Maybe similar with spotify premium , but not soo evident ,just a slight > diff ( unconfirmed ) , but they use ogg not mp3. > > But I think they are cheaping out of CPU cycles and use less expensive > options in these lossy formats , using the best psychoacoustic models > use much m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Mnyb
foxx wrote: > Something I came across when I subscibed to WiMP: > The difference between their 256 kB MP3 files and their lossless FLAC > files is VERY evident. > > This is quite contrary to my my previous experiences, when I converted a > 96/24 Flac file down to 44.1/16 FLAC, 320 kB MP3 and 128

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread foxx
Something I came across when I subscibed to WiMP: The difference between their 256 kB MP3 files and their lossless FLAC files is VERY evident. This is quite contrary to my my previous experiences, when I converted a 96/24 Flac file down to 44.1/16 FLAC, 320 kB MP3 and 128 kB MP3. Only with the 12

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread darrenyeats
FWIW 192-ish VBR MP3 is my personal trade-off between size and quality (on my phone). Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread TheLastMan
SBGK wrote: > with mp3 vs cd all that is required is to find a complicated bit of > music and it will be evident that the psychoacoustics employed by mp3 > cannot resolve the detail and it becomes slurred, no A/B testing > required just listen to a 10s segment for slurred detail compared to the >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Archimago
darrenyeats wrote: > For the MP3 versus CD test your ran, I did pick out the metal track as > different (9/10 times no cherry picking using randomised playlists I > correctly identified A versus B) although I couldn't actually say which > one was CD i.e. couldn't say which was "better"! But it sh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Gandhi
Julf wrote: > Without doing it under controlled double-blind ABX conditions, you won't > know if the lack of detail is due to your hearing or your belief system. > Some people seem to trust their belief system more than their ears. There is a simpler way. Using AudioDiffMaker often gives the ans

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Julf
get.amped wrote: > Neil deGrasse Tyson recently said during an interview on The Colbert > Report, “Once science has been established, once a scientific truth > emerges from a consensus of experiments and observations, it is the way > of the world. What I’m saying is, when different experiments gi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread get.amped
Neil deGrasse Tyson recently said during an interview on The Colbert Report, “Once science has been established, once a scientific truth emerges from a consensus of experiments and observations, it is the way of the world. What I’m saying is, when different experiments give you the same result, it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread RonM
Julf wrote: > Without doing it under controlled double-blind ABX conditions, you won't > know if the lack of detail is due to your hearing or your belief system. > Some people seem to trust their belief system more than their ears. I really don't understand. How is it that relatively informed

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Julf
SBGK wrote: > with mp3 vs cd all that is required is to find a complicated bit of > music and it will be evident that the psychoacoustics employed by mp3 > cannot resolve the detail and it becomes slurred, no A/B testing > required just listen to a 10s segment for slurred detail compared to the >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread SBGK
Archimago wrote: > As typical for that site. > > For more details around that 44 vs. 88kHz paper, have a look at this > thread: > http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=82264 > > Remember, only 3/16 listeners in that paper got significant results > overall and all admitted to f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread darrenyeats
For the MP3 versus CD test your ran, I did pick out the metal track as different (9/10 times no cherry picking using randomised playlists I correctly identified A versus B) although I couldn't actually say which one was CD i.e. couldn't say which was "better"! But it shows a difference is audible.