Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread arnyk
cdmackay wrote: > I dunno. It sounds like you are saying: "there's a desire to sort things > out, and create useful standards, and that's good. The result was MQA, > which isn't good, but still, the intention was good". Is that what > you're saying? > > I fear that the intention was nothing of t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread cdmackay
drmatt wrote: > Yes it sounds like MQA is already dying on its feet. No matter, perhaps > the inertia or desire for a standard can be used to produce a better > one... > > In the old days we'd have got the BBC to do it.. but that's been > neutered and can't produce its own obituary. I dunno. It

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread Archimago
jfo wrote: > ha haa reminder of days long ago! And then we have... > > The smell of the rain-washed florin! > The lure of the lira! > The glitter and the glory of the guinea! > The romance of the ruble! > The feel of the franc! > The heel of the deutschmark! > The cold antiseptic sting of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread kidstypike
jfo wrote: > ha haa reminder of days long ago! And then we have... > > The smell of the rain-washed florin! > The lure of the lira! > The glitter and the glory of the guinea! > The romance of the ruble! > The feel of the franc! > The heel of the deutschmark! > The cold antiseptic sting of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread jfo
kidstypike wrote: > And the reason is money, some of it in nice piles, others in lovely > clanky bits of loose change. Some of it neatly counted into fat > little hundreds, delicate fivers stuffed into bulging wallets, > nice crisp clean checks, pert pieces of copper coina

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread arnyk
Mnyb wrote: > Its a classic marketting scheme . First you present the "problem" and > then for some reason you have the solution :) Exactly. In the case of MQA we see the misdeed being done at their web site: http://www.mqa.co.uk/customer/how-it-works "Conventional audio formats discard parts

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread kidstypike
Mnyb wrote: > Its a classic marketting scheme . First you present the "problem" and > then for some reason you have the solution :) And the reason is money, some of it in nice piles, others in lovely clanky bits of loose change. Some of it neatly counted into fat little hundreds,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread drmatt
Archimago wrote: > drmatt: "Actually I'd rather see a "thx like" mastering standard ..." > > Yeah, I think something like this applied as a "standard" for which > high-resolution recordings can be certified as such might be > beneficial... Hard to imagine this happening though given how far down

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread drmatt
So. If you'll stop assuming you know what I mean when you clearly don't you'll read the bit about what I'd like to see (the thx-y bit) and less about MQA. I don't give too shakes of a monkey's dong about MQA itself to be honest, just would like to see the industry get behind /something/ or anythin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread Mnyb
Its a classic marketting scheme . First you present the "problem" and then for some reason you have the solution :) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xM

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread Archimago
Arny, thanks for the discussion on thresholds and the presentation. Good stuff! drmatt: "Actually I'd rather see a "thx like" mastering standard with guideline volume levels and listening levels, than this specific MQA thing as it seems like it's marginal in effectiveness. But any attempt to intr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread arnyk
drmatt wrote: > > > > arny as Dr. Matt cut it to ribbons wrote: > > > > Fat sausage mastering is so popular because there is a perception that > > it helps sell recordings. > > > > > > > arny as he wrote it wrote: > > > > Fat sausage mastering is so popular because there is a perception t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread drmatt
arnyk wrote: > The claim has been made that MQA covers the reproduction system > end-to-end, but that claim breaks down in reality. I haven't seen it in action, just read a few online reports. It implies that this is the goal. > For example how can a Steely Dan recording recorded and mixed som

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread arnyk
drmatt wrote: > I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs > such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner. Qualifying DACs can be a bad idea if it is part of a scheme that has no reliably perceptible benefits and raises the cost of DACs. Well, its bad to tho

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread drmatt
ralphpnj wrote: > The MQA process starts off by making an invalid assumption and then > builds up from that falsehood. An analog audio signal (which is simply a > type of electrical signal) is converted to a digital audio signal by an > ADC (analog to digital converter) and then the resulting dig

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread arnyk
drmatt wrote: > I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs > such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner. > The claim has been made that MQA covers the reproduction system end-to-end, but that claim breaks down in reality. We have before us are claims tha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread arnyk
Julf wrote: > "So you think science can explain everything?" :) Does *Science* have to explain -everything- in order for any of the explanations that it provides to be valid? arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread ralphpnj
drmatt wrote: > I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs > such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner. This format may > well be a faltering "step one" towards a very much required audio > standard that will stop the "fat sausage" mastering of digital audi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread ae67
Julf wrote: > "So you think science can explain everything?" :) In terms of audio and human hearing - yes! These are well explored fields of science with no missing magical components, even if some so-called audiophile snake oil dealers try to make us believe. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...

2016-06-04 Thread drmatt
I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner. This format may well be a faltering "step one" towards a very much required audio standard that will stop the "fat sausage" mastering of digital audio and improve quality f